E3: NINTENDO (Revolution and more)

[§ Gideon §]

hype my ass!Okay. Your ass is going to be so powerful when it is finally released. We already have 50 developers busy hard at work creating games to play on your ass. It will be released on November 3rd and will cost $299.99. Featuring 8 players, 32 online, and network linking as well as wireless built-in, you won't even need to plug it into a router if you don't want. Your ass is going to be huge!

How's that for hype? :P
ROFL Ooh! Ooh! Hype my ass too!

[downfall]

This is the year of E3 where the companies are SUPPOSED to say "This is where we plan on taking you, our consumer, from here." That's what you're supposed to do every E3.

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

That's really not all that farfetched of a possibility - as bad as it could turn out to be.

Microsoft and Sony both are obviously not too concerned with what Nintendo is doing - hence the hawking over Sony by Microsoft (Halo 3 at the PS3 launch, etc.). I think Nintendo would be really making a mistake to release anywhere near that time - even if it puts them in a position to release their console last. I could completely see them waiting (it would actually be more in line with the normal timeframe for a new console anyway).

But hey, what do I know?

We all know the Revolution isn't going to be released until sometime next year - why would they go ahead and blow their whole load right into the middle of the Sony/Microsoft "our console is more powerful" battle? The Revolution is obviously going in a completely different direction from a technical standpoint - and I personally can't see the point in laying out all of its specs now (which are admittedly weaker than the other two consoles), so that it gets buried under a big wad of technical mumbo jumbo (as I've heard non-stop comparisons of the 360 and PS3 specs from both sides), instead of standing on its own merits - for whatever new experiences it's trying to bring to the table.

Ah well.

[Gamereviewgod]

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

Excellent point. But, now the competition has a one year head start. Nintendo will show games for the first time next year. They'll likely leak information before then, but you're not going to get a bigger venue than E3. Sony will have their games ready to go and will have been hyping them. They'll also be gearing up for a launch not to far ahead of the event (maybe it will already be out?). MS's console and games will have been out for months.

[Avatard]

Give it a rest man. Nintendo just went to E3 and said what ALL of us say. Its about the games, not how much hardware and rendering you can pump out. And now the bashing starts? They have finally left their "no online gaming" policy, they said its about making fun games, they announced titles, they announced backwards compatability, and frankly I couldn't care less if the had no demo games to show. Things are looking up, I love Nintendo's franchise games but I never bought any of the current generation of consoles, none impressed me, however I have considered getting an XBox just for Halo. Now I'm interested in gaming again, and I'm getting one of these new Revolutions.

So does anyone have any more released info or is it going to continue to be "OMGWTFBBQ ZOMG NINTENDO SUXORZ LOLZ"? (Not directed at you Gamereviewer)

None of us here are market strategist, or PR folks, or devleopers, so I won't pretend to be and point out each companies "flaws" based on my opinion....But I have heard what I've been waiting to hear from the big N for a long long time.

[NE146]

fuck it.. I aint excited about any of them. It's sort of just become like pc hardware where the specs just get gradually better.

I don't really feel the excitement I used to have like say... when going from the NES to SNES anymore. I don't know if it's because we've hit a wall in technology and graphics with decreasing returns (there's only so much excitement I feel by the increasing number of hairs you can see in a mustache), or because of the numbing sensation I feel from seeing yawnalicious games like Mario Baseball, or stuff like ps3 Killzone looking good but inevitably being another FPS.

The ability to play the old Nintendo games is kinda cool. But like what's been probably said already, my xbox already illigitimately does that. So it's hard to get too hyped about it going mainstream. We'll see how it goes.

Anyway, knowing me of course I'll get all 3 consoles shortly enough after their launches by sheer habit. But pardon my lack of enthusiasm.

[Avatard]

I shared that same enthusiasim, or lack of, a few years ago. None of the next gen consoles impresseed me. PS2 was a nightmare speaking from an engineering point of veiw, plus the games didn't appeal to me (however being able to play SotN and FF:Tactics is a plus). XBox had, well, not much besides Halo that the others didn't have. And GCN, well, it had SSB:M and Mario Kart, and the battle mode on MK sucked, but atleast it did have one of my fav single player games, Eternal Darkness.

Thats how I felt about it atleast, I was one of the many who slipped into handheld gaming, which of course was dominated by Nintendo.

The XBox 360 looks like XBox with wireless "yawn", how innovatie, 3 years ago. I prefer wires anyhow. PS3 is a nice change, no more 2 player only games, welcome to the new century Sony! It still doesn't provide the library of games I'm interested in however. But this new Nintendo does perk my intrests for some reason, appealing to my love of older games and online gaming. Plus I can get all those GCN games I liked but could play cause I never wanted to buy a GCN. I just wish there was more info before I jump onto any bandwagon.

[Teo]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

I knew a kid named Phillip LeGault who made the preposterous rumour that if you jumped over the flag pole in Super Mario Bros. that the NES would spit out a ten dollar bill.

[downfall]

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

Excellent point. But, now the competition has a one year head start. Nintendo will show games for the first time next year. They'll likely leak information before then, but you're not going to get a bigger venue than E3. Sony will have their games ready to go and will have been hyping them. They'll also be gearing up for a launch not to far ahead of the event (maybe it will already be out?). MS's console and games will have been out for months.

Yeah, that's exactly why I said there's a possibility that strategy could turn out bad for Nintendo. Could turn out great too, though I suppose that's one of the risks they may be willing (and that may be necessary) to take.

If that's what they actually do, then I don't consider it a year head start though - If the 360 releases in November, then we're really only looking at 6 months until next year's E3. Don't get me wrong, 6 months advance is plenty of time to sell through an awful lot of 360's, but while Sony and Microsoft both pumped out a ton of info about their hardware at this E3, we heard more about upcoming games than we actually saw (and I would wager to guess that a lot of what we saw was more tech video than actual gameplay). I feel like the real meat of the hype for the 360 will come closer to launch (August/September), when there's actually more true in game footage to be shown and so forth.

I don't really know - and this has all been speculation on my part. But I really believe Nintendo wants to make a fundamental change this next generation (with the console design, online features, and whatnot - I feel like they're making an effort to listen and take a step forward) - and doing something like waiting until next year's E3 to really blow the lid off the Revolution might play right into their hands.

[hydr0x]

The whole point of something like this is to create hype. The Revolution showed me nothing... nothing.

sorry but i have to say it again, YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS, just look for yourself and do a google search, the net is FULL of hype surrounding the Revolution, you may not be hyped, but there's a lot more hype on the net about Rev than about 360 or even PS3

[Avatard]

The system with the least amount of specs released, yet this thread is at 7 pages when Xbox 360 and PS3 are only at 2..../sigh.

[Gamereviewgod]

sorry but i have to say it again, YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS, just look for yourself and do a google search, the net is FULL of hype surrounding the Revolution, you may not be hyped, but there's a lot more hype on the net about Rev than about 360 or even PS3
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Negativity is not hype. The threads on various message boards may be the biggest concerning Nintendo, but it's more debate (like this) than anything. Hype gets people excited. Hype makes a system look like you have to have one. Those are two things that Nintendo has failed to do.

[Captain Wrong]

fuck it.. I aint excited about any of them. It's sort of just become like pc hardware where the specs just get gradually better.

I don't really feel the excitement I used to have like say... when going from the NES to SNES anymore. I don't know if it's because we've hit a wall in technology and graphics with decreasing returns (there's only so much excitement I feel by the increasing number of hairs you can see in a mustache), or because of the numbing sensation I feel from seeing yawnalicious games like Mario Baseball, or stuff like ps3 Killzone looking good but inevitably being another FPS.

Damn! The first post I agree with 100%! LOL


The ability to play the old Nintendo games is kinda cool. But like what's been probably said already, my xbox already illigitimately does that. So it's hard to get too hyped about it going mainstream. We'll see how it goes.

God, I agree with this 110%. If it wasn't for the fact that I've been able to do this for years already on PC and/or other consoles, I might be excited. Not only that, but seeing the way Nintendo released old NES games one at a time for $20 a pop on the GBA rather than making a cheap compilation, I have little faith that they aren't going to try to bleed the consumer again.

While I think people would be willing to pay for ROMs, I have a "pulled out of my ass" hunch that Nintendo will make the ROMs kind of like DIVX discs where you have a limited time to play the game, then you have to pay for more time. As paranoid as they are about piracy, they certaintly aren't going to sell you a now strings attached ROM (and anyone who thinks they're going to be giving them away is dreaming.)

Plus I think people here are really overestimating how much mainstream gamers are going to care about playing the old games. Sure people can point to the popularity of Nintendo t-shirts, but that means nothing really. Retro advertising shirts are popular period, but that doesn't mean that 20-somethings are bathing in Mr.Bubble, or buying whatever retro ad is on the shirt. The nostalgia factor works for a $20 plug and play hand held, but I doubt it's going to work for a $150+ console and whatever the games cost.

I'm also highly skeptical that a company that totally ignored the Internet this time around is going to jump in with both feet and just kill when it comes to on-line play. Remember, this is the company that told us not to long ago that gamers didn't want on-line gaming. I'm open to being wowed, but I just don't see it happening.

I agree with gamereviewgod's post too. People can try to spin it however they want, but the fact of the matter is this was the year when everyone else announced their plans for the future. That's what E3 is about, and this year should have been espically focused on that. Though Nintendo continued their tradition of throwing red meat to the fanboys, they really didn't show a lot of what's in store.

[PDorr3]

[quote]they failed to show us where they're taking us. Oh wait, they did. Back to an era I already lived through and can relive when I want.

But do not forget, not all people that play videogames own retro consoles, so to many many casual (and some real gamers) the ability to play older nintendo games is a real treat, becuase maybe unlike us, they simply cannot "relive it when they want to".

As for all of the negative comments people are directing on the conference, all I can say is that nintendo is nintendo, they were obviously not ready to show a presentable showing of what their hardware can do, and for some of us thats hard to accept, but maybe this "revolutionary" hardware they are working on is so complex that showing exactly what the console can do is out of reach for them at the moment.

While sony and microsoft rely simply on updated graphics engines I really do think that nintendo has something truly special up their sleeves, and if it obviously was not shown at E3 than I am sure it is more complex than simply upping the graphics.

[Gamereviewgod]

But do not forget, not all people that play videogames own retro consoles, so to many many casual (and some real gamers) the ability to play older nintendo games is a real treat, becuase maybe unlike us, they simply cannot "relive it when they want to".

Yes, but how many out of that group already do that with their Xbox or PC? We've all seen those artciles in EGM with the kids playing the classic games. They're not going to look 'cool' playing NES games on their brand new next gen system when Johnny next door is slaughtering people in GTA. Who is the feature for exactly?


do think that nintendo has something truly special up their sleeves

I do to, and they should have let us know yesterday.

[Zubiac666]

remember the revolution fan movie?

WTF?(image appeared in some forum)
http://corral.elrellano.com/miya-02.jpg

[Dobie]

Clearly, that's a photoshop.

I'm tired of the poo-pooing. Sony appealed to their core fanbase, MS did the same, and Ninty gave us Zelda and some neat ideas. Sounds exactly like last year.

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

Now that we've seen the hoopla, I want to see hard figures--such as console price, game cost, and extras I may need to buy. Ultimately, it all comes down to how much I'll have to fork out come launch day. If I have to drop $800 to get a console and a couple of games, I'd rather wait and stick to what I have now.

[PDorr3]

Clearly, that's a photoshop.

I'm tired of the poo-pooing. Sony appealed to their core fanbase, MS did the same, and Ninty gave us Zelda and some neat ideas. Sounds exactly like last year.

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.



exactly, I am sure fans of each system are not going to change their mind by what E3 presented. I am sure the legions of xbox fans can care less what nintendo's revolution can do, and I am sure it is the same way for all of the other fanbases.

[Gamereviewgod]

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

I plan on buying all three consoles. That has no effect on my attitude towards what they showed. I'm simply stating Nintendo did a piss-poor job of selling the console when they needed to. I don't know how anyone can deny that.

[WanganRunner]

Has anyone been following the insanity on the IGN boards?

Huge conspiracy theories flying around that Nintendo plans to release....something (most guess more Revolution info) tomorrow.

Has anyone else heard of these rumors?

There's actually some fairly credible stuff backing it up. One thing in particular is the 'Nintendo NOW' logo currently displayed on the main page of their site. What IS that, they never mentioned it... If you sort through the mess over on IGN, there's a lot more, much of it stemming from some mysterious videos featuring Perrin, Reggie, and someone else talking about something related to Thursday that were posted on, and them promptly removed from, Nintendo's website.

Veeeery mysterious. I guess we'll see.

[Nature Boy]

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

Absolutely true, and for anything in life really. Which is why you should always take threads like this with a grain of salt. Don't let 'em peeve ya.

I, for one, am happy that we've got some newish stuff to talk *about* even if what we're saying is the same ole same ole :)

[sabre2922]

Ive said it many times and Ill say it (write it) again I love Nintendo and hope the best for them BUT they have lost it.

NINTENDO IS IN COMPLETE DENIAL and in dire need of an intervention.

Heres what I saw on MSNBC this morning with their coverage of E3. There was an interveiwer going around talking to the representatives,presidents and CEOs of the major game developers and publishers including the console makers. Now dont get me wrong this guy was actually fairly knowledgable about the video game industry he even made a few references to the Dreamcast when talking to Peter moore.

Anyway this guy finally get to talk to the U.S. Marketing representative for Nintendo the lady is holding the kool looking Gameboy Micro and ducking just about every initial question about the Revolution about all she said was that "the Revolution will be very powerful and at least equal what Microsoft and Sony are showing and have other features not found in any other console" thats it everything else was about their portables and how they have release like 3 different portable in the last 24 months O_O .
She didnt even act very enthusiastic about the Revolution instead starring at the screen of the Gameboy micro throught the interview x_x

I think this represents Nintendos condecending attitude toward the industry as a whole and will eventually lead to them developing and publishing only handhelds.

I agree its like Nintendo lives in its own fairytale land where they think they are untouchable and dont have to answer to anyone including the consumers that keep them in buisness.

And as far as the Revolution goes are we supposed to be impressed by an empty prototype shell? LOL

Bottom line Nintendo=DENIAL they are so lost in their "were all about innovation" rap that they are losing even those who have always been devoted to Nintendo.

I would luv to be proven wrong on all this and Nintendo somehow "revolutionizes" the industry believe me but I just dont see it happening.

After playing videogames for over 20 years I just want a videogame system to play fun, entertaining games on Im not a graphics whore and never will be thats why Im going to pick up an Xbox360 as soon as possible I dont care if the PS3 looks prettier or if the Revolution can gyrate in strange places all I want is good games on a good game system and seeing as how my 3rd PS2 just fried and died Im not too happy with Sony right now either ;)

[Ed Oscuro]

My thoughts: Looks like a router. Egh.

[CartCollector]

EDIT: Stupid stupid stupid. Sorry to threadjack. Though the thing once described here MIGHT be a portable GameCube... More likely an impressive use of Photoshop.

[grayrobertos]

lol ^ thanks for the scoop slick. Now go and stand in the corner. Or read the previous posts before this one.

[Jasoco]

CartCollector, are you talking about the black box? Or the helmet? The Helmet is fake. The black box is real.

Assuming you are talking about the black box, all three of your points are wrong. So wrong. Waaaaay wrong and you would have found this out had you actually looked around.

1. The GameCube ports, they're at the top. The top has two GameCube legacy doors. One for the memory cards with two slots, the other with the four GameCube controller ports.

2. The logo is there. It's not written, it's embossed. Or rather imbossed or whatever the name for the opposite of Embossed is. It's on the side. The name "RevOlutiOn" is on the front though.

3. The power button, reset button and eject button are also on the front.

You are referring to a single pic! There are half a DOZEN different angles out there! Look around!

Also;
The word doesn't mean what you all think. It's got multiple meanings...

rev•o•lu•tion
noun
1 a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.
See note at UPRISING .
• a dramatic and wide-reaching change in the way something works or is
organized or in people's ideas about it : marketing underwent a revolution.
2 an instance of revolving : one revolution a second.
DERIVATIVES
revolution
noun
1 the French aristocracy was ill-prepared to quell a revolution REBELLION, revolt,
insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, insurgence, seizure of power, coup
(d'état). See note at UPRISING .
2 a revolution in printing techniques DRAMATIC CHANGE, radical alteration, sea
change, metamorphosis, transformation, innovation, reorganization,
restructuring; informal shake-up, shakedown.
3 one revolution of a wheel TURN, single turn, rotation, circle, spin; circuit, lap.
4 the revolution of the earth TURNING, rotation, circling; orbit.
Anyone ever stop to think that maybe Revolution might refer to Nintendo finally seeing the light? Until now, they didn't think Online was worth it. They didn't think people cared about their old games. Now they've finally shown they know what we want now and are finally giving it to us, and all you can do is complain! Take a look at the second entry in the Thesaurus. Ever think maybe THAT is what Nintendo has in mind? The English language is a confusing thing.. Words CAN have multiple meanings.

Thank you for listening.

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[Daniel Thomas]

Interesting posts. It's clear to me that, regardless of one's console preferences, everyone still holds a great deal of love for Nintendo. No doubt we who grew up on NES and Super NES long for the aging rock star to pull one more grand comeback, if just for old-time's sake.

Nintendo's press event had a number of highlights, especially with the DS (watching a famous DJ play music created solely from 2 DS units playing Electroplankton was a thrill) and the upcoming Zelda. The Rev, however...I don't know yet.

I'm very impressed by the idea of downloading ROMS of Nintendo's old games. If they actually provide some genuine content, and keep the price affordable, it could prove to be the next evolutionary step console emulation needs. True, true, we all have everything ever created on our hard drives, but most folks don't, and I seriously doubt most would go through the trouble. If, however, we only see a small handful of games, and if we never see third-party games, then it just isn't gonna fly.

However, the Rev itself doesn't seem very impressive so far. The question is, what else will Nintendo show us?

Gaming forums have been in a frenzy ever since the infamous "Aries" popped up on the Broken Saints website and offered details of Revolution and Nintendo's overall strategy. It's impossible to fully say whether this really was an employee for the software house currently contracted by Sega for an upcoming Vectorman game, but I've found his tone to be consistent; most importantly, everything he has predicted would come true.

According to "Aries," Nintendo is playing a Trojan Horse. The initial press event was intended to be underwhelming. On Thursday the 19th, then they would play their hand. We've been promised, over and over, we will be shocked and amazed.

And many others have noticed that Nintendo's website is more coy about details. Revolutionary nor not, they have something up their sleeve. So will we see it tomorrow? Good question. Who's up for an office pool?

[CartCollector]

To grayrobertos:
There's SEVEN FRICKIN' PAGES. I have never read this thread before, so I scanned over Page 1. I'll read the other pages. When I feel like it.
To Jasoco:
Read my thread. The pic I have seen is neither, but it is closer to the black box. And are you SURE this black box is REALLY the Revolution? Has Nintendo approved it? Anyway, it seems more likely. The design I described would have barely any room for components, and I don't think the slot looked large enough for DVDs.
Well, if this is true, tomorrow I can put this little hot-shot scriptkiddie in his place. "Top secret design" my ass.

[slip81]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3. To me it looks like the system has a lot of promise. Nintendo always sems to deliver excellent first party games, and I'd be willing to be that the next installments of Mario, Matroid and Zelda wil be reason enough to spend $200 or 300. Plus I'm sure the next Mario Kart will be online, which will be killer.

I'm also excited about the ability to play older games. I know I can do it for free on my PC and Xbox, but I'd be willing to pay a small one time fee for each game because A)I don't have the technical savvy to mod my Xbox and get all the ROMs running and keep them running and B) I like tosupport Nintendo as long as they aren't dicks about it.

I'll agree that there are a lot of wrong ways they can handle the ROM thing, but there are right ways as well, and hopefully they will opt for the latter.

[Jasoco]

To Jasoco:
Read my thread. The pic I have seen is neither, but it is closer to the black box. And are you SURE this black box is REALLY the Revolution? Has Nintendo approved it? Anyway, it seems more likely. The design I described would have barely any room for components, and I don't think the slot looked large enough for DVDs.
Well, if this is true, tomorrow I can put this little hot-shot scriptkiddie in his place. "Top secret design" my ass.Yes. You must not have watched the conference either. Nintendo has already confirmed it. The only thing they said they have to decide on is the color. That IS the Revolution.

LOL Script Kiddie. I hate script kiddies. They think they know everything.

The pictures I posted are the official ones. So show them to your Script Kitty friend and tell him to shut the hell up and do research. LOL

Sad to think it's still a year away.

Frankly, I never liked the PS3's design. Especially looking at that picture of the guy holding it up and it's bigger than two dictionary's. And the Xbox 360 looked cool until Nintendo showed off. Changable faceplates is one thing. But damn, I love the shiny blackness, and hope they release a black one. But I'd be happy with a solid white one as well. (It'd match my computers. LOL) But damn them if they release both at launch. WHICH ONE TO GET????!!!!

There is one reason and one reason only for me to get one at launch (Instead of waiting a month like in 2001.) Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

[calthaer]

It's all very mysterious and exciting.

Although I am in favor of this "Revolution" of which we speak, and although I confess to being a ridiculous Pokemon fan, I will agree with one thing: Nintendo is in denial. Not about the Revolution, nor about the GBA micro - about third-party support.

Now, I've read the interview where Iwata confesses that some 3rd party companies may not like Nintendo because it's making gameplay more important than glamor. Fine. Be that as it may, they still need to do something to woo SOMEONE to make good games for them.

Make no mistake, many game developers (at least on this side of the Pacific) dislike Nintendo. That may even be an understatement. Costikyan's rant at the recent GDC summarized it. Nintendo needs to court them. As popular as some Japanese franchises may be, they need American developers. They need to do what Microsoft has done, and bring talent into their fold. They're going to need more indie games like Alien Hominid. The people they need to be pleasing is not their fanbase - it's the people making games for their system.

And in that respect, Nintendo needs to get their act together.

AND - re: this Aries character:

http://www.gamebunker.com

So...let's see how that one pans out. I'm generally in favor of the less dramatic option in this instance.

[Nz17]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3.

I'm one excited little gamer for the Nintendo Revolution. Out of the three "next-gen" systems, I think it looks the best and the brightest. Nintendo is making sure we North American gamers are going to have at least six colors to choose from. We're going to be able to play hundred of past Nintendo games, and that is one thing I am highly anticipating. My GameCube games will still be playable on the thing, and I can challenge my uncle and mother to games of Yoshi's Cookie, Dr. Mario, Bomberman, and Tetris, while I go about playing Kickle Cubicle, Starfox, Kiwi Kraze, and the Castlevanias, then later spend some quality time with the Mario platformers. And finally, play all those N64 games I never did before.

But you know, that not all that I think is good with this whole system. I'm just going to go off things we do know right now, and keep the speculation to a minimum. The older games of course will be emulated. That means that it will be very easy to make it multiplayer over the Internet. If NESticle and ZSNES have done it, then Nintendo can do it. And to play some of those games over the Internet that have come out over the years will be amazing, especially when considering the matchmaking service that will be employed.

After all, Nintendo is making the online aspect of the R very central to the whole concept. So not only can you play against your friends, but also your equals. For free. Yes, Microsoft is theoretically doing this too. But the difference with MS is that there will be two classes of people: the plebians (Silver) and the lords (Gold). The plebes can only play on the weekends and during special events, whereas the lords pay and thus can play whenever they please. With Nintendo, things will be equal. I'm sure there will be games that will have their respective companies charging for their stuff, but with Nintendo making all its stuff free, there is going to be a lot of peer pressure on the other companies to make theirs free as well.

Then there is the WiFi. DSes will instantly hook up with the R system without wires. Game and demos could be put into R games to beam onto the DS. And if people are excited about SSB3 right now, imagine if Nintendo went the way of Capcom/NeoGeo with Street Fighter Alpha 3 and made the SSB3 characters trainable on a complimentary DS version of the game, which can then be imported and exported between the R and DS versions.

And last but not least, there is form factor. I'm tired of big and loud computers and game systems. I don't needs a heater with the day's strongest hardware which only inches out the competitors. I'd gladly settle for a few Mhz less on the processor(s) clock speed for a silent, cool system, with a small total area.

But what I find truly astonishing is that Nintendo is cramming so much power into such a little system that really surpasses the other two if you look at the stats. Nintendo has 4 x 2.5GHz PPC processors; the "powerful" XBOX 360 has 3 x 3GHz PPC processors. The power of a system is figured exponentially based upon the number of processors present if utilized properly.

So let the naysayers say "Nay." I might just make this the first system I ever bought on launch day.

[Algol]

We don't know much about the Revolution, so it's a bit early to brand it as a failure or success, but it certainly sounds good so far. I somewhat doubt these downloadable NES/SNES/N64/GC will be totally free, but as long as they aren't outrageously expensive, this could be one nice little service.

[CartCollector]

You know, about these downloadable ROMs...

I was eerily prophetic. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48669&highlight=)

[lendelin]

Why in gods name did he get attacked for that??? He's right, we all know Nintendo WILL bring Mario, Zelda, Pikmin and so on to the Revolution and if those games are enough reason for him to buy the console...maybe YOU can't accept that, but for some people 5 or 6 good Nintendo games per year would be enough to buy the system. You don't need to understand that but you have to tolerate that opinion and not ****** attack him for it.


First, I didn't attack him for that, this isn't warfare, second, it is completely besides the point. Of course I can accept that someone bought the GC for the N franchises because I did exactly the same.

I critisized the belittling of the game library of the PS2 and their gamers with an elitist, exclusionary attitude. If someone (in this case Jasoco) writes that the system has basically nothing to offer and people play it because it is the most established system, he either doesn't know games or regards himself as the ultimate gamer in the center of the games universe which he reduces to the N universe.

It is not about accepting someones individual preferences, but about very irrational fanboyism spilling over into allegedly objective statements putting reality on its head. I don't think in terms of "us" and "them," of "we" and the "others," that is just beyond me. Let N, Sony and MS do the marketing hype creating smoke with mirrors, I won't do it becasue they don't pay me for that. I also like reality, not skewing reality based on wishful thinking which is illusionary.

I'm more of a Nintendo supporter than Jasoco ever will be, but that doesn't make me blind.

[ianoid]

Looking at those pictures- door = bad. They break off and don't stay open.

[lendelin]

@lendelin: you do realize that the Dreamcast, when it came out, also had a very balanced and varied game library. Yet many people held out for the PS2 and from what I gathered from asking those people who sat out in line waiting for stoes to open to buy one the typical answers to "Why are you buying a PS2?" were "It's Playstation" or "The specs are just totally awesome". Of course there were others that said more logical reasons (ie the games) but it seemed as though Sony's marketing spin worked as the "bells and whistles" seemed to be what was first on everyone's minds at the time. Games came later as the PS2 launch lineup was relatively average to pathetic (hence why a lot of Japanese people sheepishly raised their hands when they were asked "How many of you mainly use your PS2 to watch DVDs[vs. playing games]" in an old IGN interview)


Sure, the American (!) launch of the DC was great, Sega did everything right, and Sonys counter-PR-strategy worked. DC seemed outdated soon after its launch. One, but not the main reason why the DC failed.

But MS isn't Sega, and the Xbox360 isn't the DC. MS established consumer confidence in stark contrast to Segas past, the Xbox has momentum, it won more marketshares than I expected four years ago, it improved its image for the frequent and casual gamer with a very good gamelibrary, and the hardware specs and features are too impressive to make it appear outdated compared to the PS3. There is no reason for gamers to hold out for the incredible PS3 and skip the Xbox360. This mechanism won't be repeated.


I don't think Nintendo's PR was bad-they want to sell Gamecube, GBA and DS. Why turn people's attention away by splashing about Revolution footage?

I think it was bad, and for the exact same reason you stated. They focused on the present, not the future. They focused on the GC, GBA and DS, not the future of the Revolution.

E3 is a big PR-marketing circus, nothing else. You want to create excitement about upcoming titles and systems, and sometimes (like in politics) create hype about nothing. While Sony did it with a very effective smoke and mirror startegy (rendered graphics, little rubber duckies and leaves which will not represent what we will play in 2006), N created question marks because they had almost nothing to show.

There are two things which have to be distinguished: First, what we know about the systems and their appeal, and second, the analysis of the PR-strategies and their perception.

The only company which actually had to SHOW and present something was MS. The system, hardware specs, features, and real play footage was shown. A good start for a discussion.

Sony gave some hardware specs, and impressive little rendered demos. Not much, almost nothing to discuss. It was mentioned that one of the developers of the rendered demos got the development kit two months ago, certainly a mere ouverture of a game.

N showed the least. Basically a black box, wireless features, and you can download older games. The lineup for the GC was mediocre except for Zelda.

About the PR strategies and reactions: smart and pretty effective Sony! They created hype with demos, increased expectations, gave promising specs which might be kept or not; the best they could do against a pretty impressive Xbox360 which will get a one year headstart.

N created more question marks and doubt, not for the big N supporters who would be in awe if merely Awata would promise to create the best thing in the world w/o showing a thing, but for objective and laid back game enthusiasts. MS will launch its system in about six months, Sony is ready to counteract, and N gave the impression that they are far behind.

The latter is probably the truth and straightforward, but marketing hype isn't about reality and truth.


And Gamereviewgod: people were getting all happy in the pants when Sony first announced specs for the PS2 way back when. So don't just finger Jasoco for this sin as many many others have walked down that same spec/feature loving path before.

Yep, true, but I just don't understand gamers who fall for the marketing hype and keep a cool head. I don't understand the accusation/defending attitude either. Look at this thread: discussing the upcoming revolution. For heaven's sake, WHAT are we discussing? There is nothing to discuss! A little black box, wirless features, and downloading games, and the design which will be changed anyway; and about THIS there are big discussions, big accusations and defenses? It is all wishful thinking, speculation, and hype.

The only reason this thread is longer than others is twofold: speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing make exaggerated statements easier than reasoning based on realities and facts (e.g. Xbox360); second, N is the underdog, and big supporters go easily in an irrational way overboard.

This isn't an indication who created the most effective excitement. The companies have their respective fanboys in any case; marketing strategy has to focus on getting gamers who are sitting on the fence, not on those who are already in their camp.

[Gamereviewgod]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is? Obviously, we've missed something. I saw a new console without anything to go along with it, which includes the most important aspect: games. We know they'll have great first party titles. So does Sony and so does MS. The latter two have excellent 3rd parties too.

Something else to think about. Could the controllers be radical enough to turn away third parties? Whereas EA could port Madden to the 360 and PS3, what if they need to alter it drastically on the R? If costs are skyrocketing for developers, will they bother? Pure speculation, but something to think about.

[Nz17]

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

There are many reasons that I have. I will list only those that are different from the other upcoming consoles.

1. Convenience of legally having "all" Nintendo games on one system
2. Free Net play
3. Small size
4. Silent system
5. Multiple system colors
6. Purported easiest programability
7. (speculation) Configurable controller
8. (speculation) Cheapest system

[lendelin]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is? Obviously, we've missed something.

You know what it actually is? I'll be very straightforward now, just among us, the big N supporters won't read it. :)

It is the reaction of a fanbase to an incredibly poor showing of N. It is an exaggerated 'save the company' mood; it is a 'not everything is lost' movement because MS and Sonys showing made painfully clear that there are only two big boys left. N threw a couple of meat peices in the air, and suddenly an established fanbase with nostalgia and the underdog attitude makes a three star meal out of it. Even the size of the system and different colors suddenly play a role although a console isn't like sex where size matters and different colors are certainly an unimportant feature which other consoles will provide also. Non-selling points become suddenly big selling points.

Look at posts in this therad: hope that N has something up their sleeves; they will do something spectacular; they will surprise everyone; and then the repeat of non-sensical PR-statements by N that power isn't everything, good graphics don't matter, (yeah, right, RE4 sold very badly), appeal to the true gamer, getting true games, and be on the innovation front.

Sad reality is this: if this E3 press conferences made anything clear, it is that N will establish themselves as a niche company; this is their marketing strategy, and the hardware in all likelihood will follow this path.

N can't compete with all the technological resources and financial resources of an Electronics giant and PC giant anymore that fight a very aggressive battle over the long term goal who will dominate the living room; Internet features and entertainment features a PC can already provide is at the center of this battle. It is about the console as the PC and electronic entertainment center in the living room. The new Xbox is already a big push in this direction, and the new PS will be very similar.

My wishful thinking: I would like to see all three companies with equal marketshares. I wish N would be as big as Sony and MS. It would be very positive for the quality of games, and for the prices for games for us gamers. The first-party titles of N were overall very innovative, and a Zelda or Metroid game never let me down.

Unfortunately, almost everything is stacked up against N. The times that one or two games can make or break a console are over, and this for ten years now. A varied gamelibray is key, and this will depend upon who will hit the 7 to 10 million hardware base the first in the first, unless it is a head-to head race.

What we will see is a fierce competition between the Xbox360 and the PS3; similar what we saw between the SNES and Genesis in America and Europe. (in Japan the Genesis was always a distant third behind even the Turbogrfx) It will be a fight about gamedevelopers, exclusive titles, licenses, and to push online gaming as a business model.

[theoakwoody]

Okay I read the first 5 pages of this post so don't jump all over me if what I'm about to say has already been said.

First of all, I think Nintendo was forced to show something but that they are still debating on what exactly is going to go into their new system. So they grabbed one of those IBM mini computers and tried to pass it off as their system. This design is as bland as the Super Nes so I don't see what everyone is so excited about. It's a fucking external hard drive! That being said, I'm excited about the Revolution that Nintendo is promising. I still have faith in the Big N and I think they will deliver.

I'm hoping that they didn't reveal anything at E3 so that Sony and M$ won't rip off their ideas. Well, I guess the 360 is pretty set in stone but the PS3 is probably still pretty far down the road. We've all heard the rumors about VR and 3d projection, blah, blah, blah. But if Nintendo really has something up their sleeves I think they'll bring out the big guns at E3 '06 and drop a shitstorm on the competition. I just hope that they have something in the works by now because if not, with their reputation for pushing back deadlines, we won't be revolutionized until 2007.

[poopnes]

Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

And you know that its going to be one of the Wifi titles, it just has to be. This is the Rev's killer app.

[Jasoco]

Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

And you know that its going to be one of the Wifi titles, it just has to be. This is the Rev's killer app.Of course it's going to be. Listen to what the guy on stage says about it. Something about finally being able to beat Miyamoto, or Reggie, whichever, from anywhere in the world. So of course it's going to be wireless.

[Ed Oscuro]

The only killer app on this system will be the one to bury it with?

...eh, just pullin' some strings.

I've said elsewhere (eh, maybe even in this thread, but I've forgotten) that it looks like a modem. It does. No points for the design, but the XBox is a bit too enthusiastic and wild while the PS3's is very...Duo-ish.

Download games to the system? No thanks; I already own most of what I want.

I'm gonna try to stay optimistic, and of course there'll be exclusives to snap up someday. When it comes down to it, though, it's the games that count, not the console. After all, the console is simply necessary evil; a tool to let us play our games.

Nintendo has had a few last chances from me, though. I feel the quality of my gaming experience on their systems has gone straight down since my days on the N64, and not all for reasons of their fault...

[hydr0x]

@lendelin

i know your post didn't really adress me but i'd still like to show you that your theory at least doesn't work out for everyone ;)

i watched the Nintendo Conference live and i can guarantee you one thing, i was not disappointed or bored at all during it. Several people who watched it with me on vbender can prove that if you don't believe me. Reggie as always produced some laughs, as did Iwata. The Gamecube and DS stuff was pretty good if you ask me. The only negative thing i said after the conference was: "mhh they should have shown a revolution game" but mainly not because i absolutely wanted to see one ( i didn't expect them to show a running rev, there's still 1xE3, 2xTGS and 2xGC before the launch) but because i knew people would bash them for not doing so. So there you have it, i don't think Nintendo has already lost the game and there's no reason like that for me to say what i'm saying. Actually nz17 listed a few good reasons why someone could already know he buys the Rev first, imho Sony didn't show more actual facts helping on your buying decision than Nintendo. Currently i think i'll get PS3 first and Rev 2nd, depends on how expensive the stuff gets.

[Ed Oscuro]

Didn't Sony show some PS3 screens, though? Even if they're renders, that would seem to help one make purchasing decisions...and if you ask me they certainly showed no less, even without screens, than Nintendo did.

[slip81]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

If the Revolution has a launch price of $199.99 or lower I will buy on day of release, why? Because I'm a fan of Nintendo, and to me there hasn't been a system they've made that I wouldn't want to own.

I wouldn't call myself a N fanboy, but I enjoy their first party titles a lot, and even though they didn't show any games at the conference, I seriously doubt the next installment of their mascot games will be anything less than stellar.

I know the Xbox and PS3 will also have great first party and exclusive titles, but for me they are never as interesting as the latest from Nintendo. I'd much rather play Mario Kart over Gran Turismo and so on.

Now if Sega was gonna release a new system I'd probably buy it blindly so long as I had the funds, cause I am a bit of a Sega fanboy :)

[Drexel923]

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

We'll I've already answered this question 2 or 3 times in this thread but I'll do it again.

Nintendo has never let me down with a console before. Sure there were times when I thought they were idiots, but when everything was said and done, I could never say it was a dissapointment.

To me Nintendo is a test in patience. They never give you what you want right away...we've known this forever (especially regarding their game release schedules). But when their "console" is coming to an end, I think their library at least equals any other system as far as quality and fun goes.

Now onto the Revolution...things that we KNOW that gets me excited:

1. Backwards compatible with GC discs - while this may be a standard of sorts nowadays, its still extremely helpful in saving space.

2. Ability to download Nintendo's back catalogue - yes I own almost all the past Nintedo games I want, but if it's easy to use and free then I might not put the controller down (2 big IFs, but I can see the draw for those who don't/can't own all the old games)

3, Free online service - this is a huge plus. I have Xbox Live, but never seem to use it. Why should I pay money for something I'm going to use once in a blue moon. Now the 360 has their teired free/pay system, but who knows what that entails...at least I know for sure with Nintendo that it's all free.

4. Size - see answer 1.

5. Memory - 512 MB in the system and the ability to use the cheap costing SD cards...sure it's not as flashy as the other systems, but it's still good.

6. Super Smash Bros 3 Wifi at launch - No comment needed :D

Now, to me, all these things are good. And as I said before "the revolution is SHAPING UP to be a good system". This means that from what we've seen so far, there is some potential here. No one knows what is going to come of this, but that doesn't mean we can't be excited for whats been told.

[le geek]

Well I've watched all three press conferences now and the Revolution is pretty much a no show. I like what they hinted at though. Too early to tell really.

Lots of nice DS stuff in the pipeline: Viewtiful Joe, Black & White, Castlevania, Trace memory and Nintendogs. Curious to try out wifi on it too...

But man other than Zelda it's famine for the Cube this year! You've got Killer 7, Geist then it's licensed kiddie crap and Mario spin off "who haw".

Cheers,
Ben

[WanganRunner]

I wish Nintendo had done a bit more with the Gamecube, from a first-party standpoint.

It's *such* good hardware, easily my favorite out of the present three consoles....

I'm really sad to see it go without it having realized it's potential.

[Avatard]

I'm so bored of this topic. All the systems look like carbon copies really. All wireless, all online, all dvd. The only difference is the games you can play on them and the Revolution has the option to go farther with the variety of games than the others. And for me the choice is clearly Nintendo. Whats so hard about that to understand? Thats my preference. And now, please let me know how wrong my opinion is. Do I give a crap if I think it will lead the market? Hell no. Do I give a crap about what Nintendo haters think? Pfffttt. Do I really care what every person here who tries to bill themselves as experts on what systems will sell the best are? Hah again. This whole topic is complete BS after the first 2 pages.

So again I ask, is there any more info being released. Or will this continue to be pointless yammerings of how everyone here knows better than everyone else?

*yawn* -_-

[Captain Wrong]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

Bears repeating. Seriously, I think your last couple of posts have probably summed up "the deal" better than anyone else. Of course, only the people who were already inclined to agree with you are going to actually read your posts as opposed to just looking at the words.

[Gamereviewgod]

1. Convenience of legally having "all" Nintendo games on one system
2. Free Net play
3. Small size
4. Silent system
5. Multiple system colors
6. Purported easiest programability
7. (speculation) Configurable controller
8. (speculation) Cheapest system

1: How deep that's going to get is unknown. They failed to explain that.

2: Sony, for the most part, is doing that right now.

3: Hard to argue that, but the size of the system surely has no effect on the games.

4: First I've heard of that.

5: Because that's so important to a good gameplay experience.

6: That's all well and good but that doesn't mean anything to us as gamers until we see games.

7, 8: I need not say anything.

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation. See how poorly done their press conference was? You think you know exactly what they're going to provide for you, but you don't. You're making things up to try and convince yourself that the system is going to do what you want, and that seems like what everyone here praising the system is doing.


Revolution has the option to go farther with the variety of games than the others.

Can you elaborate on that? How did you come to that conclusion based on what they said?

[Avatard]

Oh come on, you're a smart guy, read what I said. Option. Options to download games from NES, SNES, N64, play GCN, and the next generation of games. Even if you have to pay for those options that makes them no less of options....

And I'm not counting hacked MAME stuff and ROMS as options for the XBox. To me those are not an option but a plauge.

Sure they didn't release much info, but they can't put the cart before the horse. Hell, they probably don't even know exactly which direction they are gonna take yet.

However its true that its a bit early to tell just yet. There are a lot of cloudy areas.

[hydr0x]

anyone else read the interview with Miyamoto over at IGN yet?? wow, lots of info in there, and it makes quite clear what Nintendo wants to achieve

to summarize the business plans:

According to Miyamoto Nintendo believes Sony and Microsoft are going the exact same "road" (no doubt about that), and they also believe that road might be a dead end sometime in the future, that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.

while they already indicated this in the past i don't think they ever made it THIS clear. imho they could be right, and even if they are not i don't see them losing money or anything. We'll have to wait and see, but as far as i can tell Nintendo is going a road that's not going to be destroyed if another big Crash happens and that's a good thing. They might not sell as many systems as the others but as long as they make money and have good games i don't see anything wrong with that. Especially as it could be the better long-term plan....

iirc there where quite a lot of posts here where people complained about the gaming industry, hell, we even had that developer "riot" lately and people claiming the next crash is near. with all this in mind, don't you also think Nintendo is the first one actually reacting to this development??

well, i guess we'll now what worked out in 20 years, but i have the feeling Sony and Microsoft MIGHT be missing the right train soon

and one thing i know for sure after reading the interview is that every real gamer needs to buy 2 consoles (360/PS3 + Revolution) to experience the whole spectrum of gaming in the next generation

[WanganRunner]

Wow, best damned Revolution-related post I've seen in the last 2 days of insanity.

I just donated every last Meseta to you, sir (only 187, lol).

I've been rabidly absorbing Nintendo/Revolution info for the last 3 days from about a dozen forums and many, many websites, but this is the first time I've seen anyone take that angle, and I think you're very right.

Good show, wish I'd thought to say it.

[Teo]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3. To me it looks like the system has a lot of promise. Nintendo always sems to deliver excellent first party games, and I'd be willing to be that the next installments of Mario, Matroid and Zelda wil be reason enough to spend $200 or 300. Plus I'm sure the next Mario Kart will be online, which will be killer.

I'm also excited about the ability to play older games. I know I can do it for free on my PC and Xbox, but I'd be willing to pay a small one time fee for each game because A)I don't have the technical savvy to mod my Xbox and get all the ROMs running and keep them running and B) I like tosupport Nintendo as long as they aren't dicks about it.

I'll agree that there are a lot of wrong ways they can handle the ROM thing, but there are right ways as well, and hopefully they will opt for the latter.

I'm only responding to let you know the next mario kart is on DS and is on line yes, via hotspots and your wi-fi home router

[goatdan]

and one thing i know for sure after reading the interview is that every real gamer needs to buy 2 consoles (360/PS3 + Revolution) to experience the whole spectrum of gaming in the next generation

I think that could be said about nearly every generation of consoles though... There is a lot out there every time through.

The Revolution interests me right now because I feel like Nintendo may have used this time to not reveal anything so they can leak information throughout the year and also beef up anything about the system that they need to by the time it rolls out. It could be a horrible strategy or it could be a brilliant one, but one thing that is nice is that we'll probably already know if it worked by the time it comes out.

One of the things that Miyamoto said in an interview with IGN about the Revolution was really interesting in explaining to me why Nintendo went this route:


Of course. [The controller is] set in stone. It has been determined. I'd love to show it to you. I'd love to be able to show you the features of the Revolution controller and tell you about them. However, unfortunately if we do that too early those ideas would be stolen. We know that from past history. Analog stick. Boom - gone. Rumble Pak. We bring it out and everybody has to have rumble. We got the wireless out first and now there's wireless everywhere. So we have to keep it under wraps.

I have to say that he is right about that. As soon as Nintendo adds something, it seems like everyone plays along. The wireless controller "revolution" happened after the WaveBird. The Rumble pack thing... N64. Analog joysticks... N64. Obviously, someone else would have eventually did it... but Nintendo did it first, so the credit goes there.

I'm not saying I'll buy one at launch. In fact, out of the current consoles the only one I'm interested in purchasing at all is the Xbox thanks to the Neon features. But I will definitely be paying a lot of attention to the Revolution as information leaks...

[Wavelflack]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

[Nz17]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?

[Nz17]

If nothing else can be claimed, the Revolution thread currently has about 500% of the number of posts the other threads about the other next-gen systems have (9 vs 2). So if nothing else, Nintendo has succeeded in creating an Internet buzz.

[Nz17]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

Analogue controllers have been around for a coon's age. What matters is games with analogue sensitivity. Pac-Man's arcade controls were analogue, but the game was not analogue sensitive. Things like SEGA GT, however, are, and that makes all the difference between just pushing the fuel pedal and pushing the pedal to the metal or just a slight amount of petro.

[PDorr3]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?

I agree totaly with this. I doubt everyone bought a PS2 at launch to play the latest tekken, it was all based on speculation.

I would love to check back on this topic next year after the revolution is fully exposed and see what people haveto say about what they are saying about nintendo here now.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?


I guess not, but atleast the PS2 came with a built in DVD and actually promoted future releases.

[Teo]

Haha so what's it. This is actually one of the places to go to find anti Nintendo gaming people. That's why this thread is a bagillion times longer than psx360 threads, because of the anti nintendo gaming people. Shit is so simplistic I just now realized it.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Haha so wthat's it. This is actually one of the places to go to find anti Nintendo gaming people. That's why this thread is a bagillion times longer than psx360 threads, because of the antin nintendo gaming people. Shit is so simplistic I just now realized it.\


Who's bashing Nintendo? If anything this thread has a bunch of fanboys praising the Revolution for things that haven't even been set in stone.

[Teo]

you didn't notice, or you did?

[Ed Oscuro]

I was just reminded of the one reason to get a Revolution, though, the only real reason:

Nintendo exclusives.

I'm actually rather surprised (not in a good way) that the practical types here haven't picked up on this. After all, it IS about the games - and what if your funds are limited?

I buy lots of old games, but it's always been the case that I don't buy many games for a system when it's current - I've never bought more than two dozen games for a system that's current and I don't see myself breaking that habit soon. For the most part, that's true of other people. We'll have to see how popular (and good) Nintendo exclusives remain in the future, but for the moment they look promising enough.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

you didn't notice, or you did?


Noticed what? That people are supposedly "bashing" Nintendo for telling us next to nothing? That the systems only game is Super Smash Brothers 3 so far? That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

Look, I'm not a Sony or Microsoft fanboy. If fact, I actually hope Nintendo can turn things around this upcoimg generation and regain the lead, but with all this hush hush talk and behind the sceens crap it doesn't look like they're going to. It's E3 for chirst sakes, you need to hype the people up, not play prude.

[dbiersdorf]

Nintendo creates the biggest buzz.

Viva La Revolution!

[CartCollector]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

Weither it's legally or not is besides the point. It's the fact people are still download Nintendo and other classic systems games for free and have been for years, it's nothing new. Nintendo is just trying to make it less taboo.

[Daniel Thomas]

Well, it seems the fabled "N-game" is over. Come and gone without as much as a whimper. I have to admit I've found the whole drama about the Revolution Conspiracy more interesting than anything at E3. Maybe I just grew up on too much Twilight Zone.

Am I wrong to feel disappointed that Nintendo showed so little of their next console? What we've seen - the black casing, the rom downloading - is nice, but I feel as though we're still being strung along. Wait just a little longer, then we'll show you the goods. Just a few days later. A few weeks. A few months. Whatever.

At the end of the day, the next Nintendo console will let us play slightly prettier versions of the games we already have. There will be the occasional blockbuster - Mario, Zelda, Metroid - that will prove a hit with the fans, but what else? Given production costs for this next cycle (up to eight figures?!), how many studios can afford anything but ports from Sony and Microsoft?

So there's that dread feeling again.

On the upside, the DS is looking terrific. I've been holding off on buying a new handheld, so I could see where Nintendo and Sony were going. Now it seems DS is really coming into its own. Free wifi Mario Kart and Animal Crossing? A new Mario Brothers? A new Advance Wars? Nintendogs? That electro-plankton-techno-thingy? Now that's better. That's the Nintendo I remember.

On Nintendogs, can you teach the dogs to hump one another? I know, that's juvenile. But, c'mon, admit it. You were thinking the same thing.

The more I think about it, if I were able to go to E3, I probably would have just avoided all the stupid hype and just hang out with Santulli and crew. I'd just plant myself on a couch and stay there.

[NintendoMan]

anyone else read the interview with Miyamoto over at IGN yet?? wow, lots of info in there, and it makes quite clear what Nintendo wants to achieve

Yes, I read it a few hours ago. I was so zoned in while reading it. It was probably the most zoned in while reading that I have been in in a while! Great article!!!!!!

I liked the part about them maybe making another Kid Icarus game!

[NintendoMan]

Look, I'm not a Sony or Microsoft fanboy. If fact, I actually hope Nintendo can turn things around this upcoimg generation and regain the lead, but with all this hush hush talk and behind the sceens crap it doesn't look like they're going to. It's E3 for chirst sakes, you need to hype the people up, not play prude.

Well of course you have heard this many times before, but Nintendo isn't releasing their system for at least another year or so. Neither is Sony with their PS3. Now while they did show more than Nintendo about their next-gen stuff, it still wasn't that much.

Like all the Nintendo executives say in interviews, they don't want to give anyways any ideas. Which of course is understandable. But why in the hell would they show everything about the system when it's still pretty far away? Now if nothing is shown at next years E3, or even before then, then we have problems. (Or they would be waiting longer to release it or something)

[NintendoMan]

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

Which I think is a great idea. Since people are doing it, why not just start selling the stuff themselves.

I personally HATE ROMS! I do wish hard sentences were given out for anyone caught with them.