E3: NINTENDO (Revolution and more)

[evilmess]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

example from cherryroms.com
Super Mario RPG (U) (IDSA Protected)
We are unable to offer this file due to Copyright restrictions (this will not change in the future!)

Nintendo is vigilant about keeping their games from being distributed on ROM sites so the argument that you can DL Nintendo ROM doesn't hold up. Sure you can DL tons of third party stuff but finding actual Ninteno ROMS isn't worth the hassle to search obscure ROM sites.

Of course there's always eBay right?
Well if the casual gamer still has their SNES then maybe $20 or $30 bucks for some janky loose Super Mario RPG isn't so bad unless you can get it for free on your Rev or at a fraction of the going eBay prices. ;)

[Teo]

hey testament89 my post simply happened to come after yours did, but it wasn't directed to you ok. But I can see it might have looked like it, actually I just read the page before that and did a quick reply.

[lendelin]

Hydrox, you fell for dumb little marketing hype!



According to Miyamoto Nintendo believes Sony and Microsoft are going the exact same "road" (no doubt about that), and they also believe that road might be a dead end sometime in the future, that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.


This is old news, we are hearing this for over a year now. Ask yourself very honestly if you believe that the XBox360 and the PS3 is a dead end of gaming in the future. Check this with reality. Which are the best selling GC games? Which are the best selling games overall for which system? Did the game industry expand? Did the game industry increase steadily its profit margins? Did the game industry sell more games in the last couple of years than ever before?

The PR strategy for the SNES, N64, and the GC was very different. Back then I heard N officials and Miyamoto say that the increased processing power of the new systems will open up possibilities for game designers to enhance gameplay and to innovate, the new powerful systems were the future of gaming. The same stuff I hear from MS and Sony who can afford to produce more powerful systems. According to N, now a less powerful system makes a revolution in gameplay possible which never occured anyway. There are no revolutions in gameplay, only very gradual, sluggish progress year by year.


...that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.

Do you really think that is the reason N WANTS to take a different road? 'The end of the game industry is near?'

OR does N HAS to take a different road for economic reasons? N executives know the numbers, they know their decreasing marketshares, they know that they have to share the handheld market in the future with Sony.

N is already a niche company when it comes to the console industry. 2 out of 3 games for N systems in the top ten chart every month were GBA games. In the last four years they are behind in marketshares in the US and Europe against an upstart with image problems (MS), a powerful newbie, and their established fanbase and good reputation based on past merits couldn't prevent that.

They lost the race in the most important market, America, and only the poor showing of the Xbox in Japan saved them. MS is aggressive. They will gain marketshares in Japan as well. The Square Enix deal was the beginning; and MS can take big red numbers for long-term goals which N could never take and survive. The Xbox has momentum, and N stagnates at best.

What drives system releases, their design and PR strategies is a harsh business reality, not love, faith, hope or wishful thinking.

But now listen to your reasoning:


We'll have to wait and see, but as far as i can tell Nintendo is going a road that's not going to be destroyed if another big Crash happens and that's a good thing.

You say, IF the next big crash happens, THEN Ns different route will be a blessing.

Do you think that is realistic? Every year, and I mean EVERY year, people, insiders, developers, predict in the dumbest way the next crash. It won't happen unless something very dramatic (!) in the current set-up happens. The evergreen of the upcoming crash was unrealistic babble even in 1993/94 when Sega and N dropped dramatically in profitshares. Ns profitshares decreased by 30%, and then 40% as the dominant marketleader worldwide. Not even then a crash happened.

But more importantly, you took very uncritically the PR babble of Miyamoto and other N officials we hear for a year now (power and graphics are a dead-end, not the future of gaming) and put on top of it a potential crash. Suddenly, Ns decision not to compete with Sony and MS isn't only a smart move, no, it is a move which will SAVE N in an apocalyptic setting. Sony and MS go down, and N (mysteriously) will survive.

...but not only that:


...but i have the feeling Sony and Microsoft MIGHT be missing the right train soon.


Very soon, this mysterious future in which almost everything (except N) comes to an end, will prove that Sony and MS with their current strategies are far far behind N. N is the future of gaming! You internalized the words of Miyamoto, and additionally gave it a radical spin. PR startegies for devotees sometimes really work.

You tried to reason, and the reasoning is based on faith, hope, and wishful thinking. It is unrealistic. You are not as bad as some who talk already about games we haven't even seen yet and already paraise them as the future of gaming w/o the slightest reasoning; but don't go over the clouds and reach religious levels. N isn't paradise, and Miyamoto isn't God. N is just a game company like Sony and MS, nothing more and nothing less.

Games for the Revolution? I have no clue. What's to discuss?

The new controller? I have no clue. What's to discuss?

Price point? In all likelihood cheaper, but pretty mute to discuss until we have the price for the Xbox, and more importantly the price for the PS3.

Processing Power of the Revolution? We know that according to Iwata it will be three to four times more powerful than the GC, that means much less powerful than the Xbox360 and the PS3 which will be approximately at the same level. Draw your own conclusions what this means for games, developers/publishers who develop triple A titles for the two systems and try to port it to Ns system. (hint: they won't even try)

Downloadable N games? Nothing new, not a selling point for casual gamers, not even for the majority of classic game nuts like us. (in particular if its not free)

Wirelss? Nothing new, free service? nothing new.

This thread doesn't represent big excitement about the upcoming revolution, and therefore isn't the result of an effective PR-strategy. This thread is the result of absolute irrational posts and necessary corrections. This goes way beyond esxitement for a system. It is complete irrational hysteria of a devoted, almost religious fanbase who reacts in a very human way: try to make something positive or at least something neutral out of something negative. It is a way to deal with disappointment based on faithful beliefs; a reaction we have in every area of life (also in politics, there is even a stack of empirical research about it.)

Ns PR startegy failed: it created hyper-excitement of supporters who will buy the system anyway, and it created doubts for the gamers who has to be the focus of a PR startegy: the ones who will buy only one system, or maybe a second one much later.

N doesn't have to convice you or me to buy their system, because we will buy all three of them anyway. It has to convince my neighbor who is an extreme casual gamer and bought an Xbox two years ago. There is no doubt in my mind hat he will not go for the Revolution in two or three years.

...oh, I forgot, the Revolution is only for the 'true' gamer who likes to play 'true' games. There you have your niche market. :) I can only hope that RE4 published for a very powerful system, the GC, with great graphics, and a great seller for the system is recognized by N as a 'true' game.

[PS2Hawk]

FACT:
GAMECUBE games struggle to sell.
Ninntendo's vision of Innovation cost then major third party loose this generation with Gamecube.

All of a sudden Nintendo thinks Online is important ?

Mario is being used in the stupidest games possible....Mario DDR wtf ?

DS is getting remade N64 games just like GBA started with SNES games...


Another GameBoy ?

REV is 2 times faster than GC ? thats 3 times slower than current Gen PCs....


I am certian the NES SNES & N64 game downloasds won't be free. REV is basically a legal Emulator....

[Zubiac666]

DS is getting remade N64 games just like GBA started with SNES games...



REV is 2 times faster than GC ? thats 3 times slower than current Gen PCs....





argh....i have enough!
STFU!

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!And looking at the E3 DS release list, there will be no other ports.

Inform yourself better than you would know that this "2-3 times faster than GC"-fact is bullcrap.It was denied by Nintendo-dudes themselves.

....anyways
major off-topic:
Gottal love Nintendo for making the new Gamecube Kirby 2Dish. (http://media.cube.ign.com/media/716/716496/vids_1.html)watch the trailer. wh00t!
<(^^)> <('<') ('>')>

btw: I think that the Gamecube has an awesome lineup on E3.I don't care if Mario goes whoring in other titles.Mario Tennis(GC) is one of the best multiplayer games ever.
Also "Battalion Wars" and "Geist" are looking incredibly good.
They look ten times better than at last E3.

[Oobgarm]

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!

Rayman? Ridge Racer?

[YoshiM]

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!

Rayman? Ridge Racer?

PSP's doin' the same thing-porting Playstation games to it.
Let's all keep this in perspective: ports happen :P

[WanganRunner]

There's nothing wrong with ports, as long as there's original software too.

I mean, did anyone just really NOT want to be able to play Mario 64, with new stars, on the go? Does anyone find that NOT cool? I dunno, I think it's cool. I mean, it's only my favorite game of all time, updated with new content, and playable anywhere. Of all the ports, can you really complain about this one?

As for original software, the DS has no shortages, if you count what's coming out...

-New Sonic w/COOL usage of dual screens
-New Super Mario Bros. (all new 2D Mario title)
-Nintendogs
-Mario & Luigi 2
-Trace Memory
-Guilty Gear Dust
-Meteos

When the DS first came out, I wasn't sold on the idea, but now that they're seemingly finding a new use for the dual screen with each game that comes out, I'm going to be all over the thing. I think it's shaping up to be a very solid piece of hardware, especially with the WiFi functionality.

[ddockery]

Everyone is saying that Nintendo has shot themselves in the foot by not giving more details at E3, but I have yet to hear how. The Rev is still a year away at this point. Sure, people like us care, but the average gamer (IE the guys that make or break sales) don't. The majority of gamers aren't out reading E3 updates every other hour. When the system comes out, they'll buy it or not based on whatever, but you can be damn sure it won't be based on their E3 showing from "last year."

[mjluther]

N threw a couple of meat peices in the air, and suddenly an established fanbase with nostalgia and the underdog attitude makes a three star meal out of it.

That's insultingly dismissive. Pardon my lack of enthusiasm for the, roundly praised, showing of the 360, but, to me, it's a company offering the most market calculated system in history, and the vanilla gaming experiences (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617491p1.html) to complement it, versus an established innovator showing little, but promising much. I'll take the promise of greatness over real mediocrity any day

[Avatard]

Pfft, DS a N64 port platform soley? Hardly....

But still, guess which game has sold the BEST. The Mario64 port? OMG! You mean consumers are willing to buy the N64 port in mass and Nintendo is willing to providing it? HOW DUMB! I'm a business expert too! LOL

But please, spare us on all this trash spewing untill we hear more about what they are planning. Who on earth wouldn't want to know more? WE KNOW YOU DO. We KNOW very little has been released, want to take a guess as to why? Even they haven't decided yet, its STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. All this speculation is garbage.

So has there been any more releases since the original one at E3? I'd love to hear more, but from the horses mouth only.

[rbudrick]

IGNcube: Will you make Kid Icarus for Revolution?

Shigeru Miyamoto: Well, I'm actually working really closely right now with the director of the [original] game. Now, whether or not when we get the Revolution all set up and everything is finalized, well who knows? That might be one of those characters where everybody says, "Hey, with the way our console is designed, that would be a perfect match." My question to you is, if we made this game would you buy it?

IGNcube: Absolutely.

Shigeru Miyamoto: Well, we obviously can't ignore that. Okay, we'll get the Eggplant Wizard coming back.

That's the best damn thing I've ever heard! Unfortunately, I'll have to believe it only when I see it.

-Rob

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Well, I'm actually working really closely right now with the director of the [original] game.

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

[tylerwillis]

What? You didn't know that the N guys could raise the dead? I thought everyone knew that. :)

Random comment, I have no idea about the original director. :embarrassed:

[goatdan]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

The 5200 analog wasn't too much of a gameplay difference, which is why it wasn't used again until the N64, when they made it worth having. OutRun doesn't count, as I don't think your average user was running out and buying OutRun arcade machines for their home. And I meant true wireless. RF has been around for a long, long time, and it sucked.


Analogue controllers have been around for a coon's age. What matters is games with analogue sensitivity. Pac-Man's arcade controls were analogue, but the game was not analogue sensitive. Things like SEGA GT, however, are, and that makes all the difference between just pushing the fuel pedal and pushing the pedal to the metal or just a slight amount of petro.

I have a Ms. Pac-Man machine, and unless it was redesigned between the two machines, I would assume Pac-Man is just as not analog as Ms. Pac-Man is. I've never heard of Pac-Man having analog controls before. Are you sure?

[Captain Wrong]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

[Cmosfm]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

Probably so.

I was thinking after reading this thread, I've personally been most excited about the Revolution so far as well, and I suppose thats based on pure fanboyism alone. I love Nintendo, all their systems have been sure fire winners to me.

Based on that alone, I'm hyped, despite the fact that I've seen nothing so far. LOL

[hydr0x]

sorry @lendelin but you seem to have misunderstood my whole post

am i excited about the Rev yet? NO
do i think it could be exciting? YES
am i sure it will be? NO

do i see the market crashing soon? NO
do i see a possibility it crashes in the next 2-3 generations? YES
do i think Nintendo is in a better position than Sony and MS if it does?? YES
do i think Sony and MS are doing a mistake with ONLY serving the mainstream? YES
do i think Nintendos way is/wil be better?? i have no idea, but it could be
do i think Nintendo will fail just because it has less market share?? NO

i hope you understand now that you are totally wrong with your opinion about me, i'm not excited about the Rev yet (the only reason i'm sure i'll be buying it are the first-party games) and i'm not buying any pr talk, i'm just stating that Nintendo COULD be taking the right direction right now.

[Link_Chrono]

Probably so.

I was thinking after reading this thread, I've personally been most excited about the Revolution so far as well, and I suppose thats based on pure fanboyism alone. I love Nintendo, all their systems have been sure fire winners to me.

Based on that alone, I'm hyped, despite the fact that I've seen nothing so far. LOL

You took the words right out of my mouth ;)

[rbudrick]

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

I don't think so...I think it was Tanabe or Tanaka...I forget which. Wait...'Hip' Tanaka did the Music, right?

I do not recall seeing Yokoi in the end credits....could be wrong though.

-Rob

[jonjandran]

Not going to look through all of the threads to see if this has been posted :

The Revolution might be "open source".

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/05/19/nintendo_promises_a_.html

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=02ea1a40-ac09-4cdf-9548-91e5a4e78746&page=

[Mitch_Naz]

Heres my two cents worth, I love nintendo and im sure every one here has a soft spot for them.

In terms of the Revoluion -- I must say I was kinda disappointed that they didnt reveal more but the reason of ideas being stolen makes sense (Analog stick, wireless controllers all copied). I take it nintendo is doing something pretty big or "revolutionary" in terms of controller like their d-pad or analog stick. Rumors has it that it will have gyro-somthing control with pressure senestive grips. This would opens many doors of new gameplay as someting fresh and new like the Nintendo DS did, which big N refers to as influence.

So far, im pretty impressed with the Revolution's design, online promises with downloadable games and so on. There isnt much to be sad but we should all wait until the big N revelas all and stop all this bickering. One major + for Rev is that its much cheaper and easier (similalr to NGC) to develop games for = MORE GAMES < it seems to be working very well with PS2, lets just hope they're good.


We should just think of the Revolution as DS vs PSP vs Gizmondo - we know whos more powerful but when does that really matter for real ? isnt it all about the game ...... I much rather play mario bros 3 than any other platformer for any next gen console.

[Captain Wrong]

sorry @lendelin but you seem to have misunderstood my whole post

am i excited about the Rev yet? NO
do i think it could be exciting? YES
am i sure it will be? NO

do i see the market crashing soon? NO
do i see a possibility it crashes in the next 2-3 generations? YES
do i think Nintendo is in a better position than Sony and MS if it does?? YES
do i think Sony and MS are doing a mistake with ONLY serving the mainstream? YES
do i think Nintendos way is/wil be better?? i have no idea, but it could be
do i think Nintendo will fail just because it has less market share?? NO

i hope you understand now that you are totally wrong with your opinion about me, i'm not excited about the Rev yet (the only reason i'm sure i'll be buying it are the first-party games) and i'm not buying any pr talk, i'm just stating that Nintendo COULD be taking the right direction right now.

For someone "not excited" you sure have been doing your part to hype it up around these parts.

[YoshiM]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

I think it all stems on experience during childhood and then passing it on to future generations. Look at Disney or even Star Wars/Star Trek. A lot of people grew up with Nintendo and in the past they really did things "right". Memorable titles, strong hardware, good marketing...things that stick with youth as they grow up.

What's really interesting is that there is about equal or greater negativity toward Nintendo than there is positive. I don't know if people who speak ill of Nintendo do so out from an objective standpoint of if they felt burned because Nintendo did live to that person's expectations. Or perhaps Nintendo fans are easy to get riled up so negative posters may just want to stir the pot to get a rise. Who knows?

[Ninja Blacksox]

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

I don't think so...I think it was Tanabe or Tanaka...I forget which. Wait...'Hip' Tanaka did the Music, right?

I do not recall seeing Yokoi in the end credits....could be wrong though.

-Rob

Yes. Hirokazu "Hip" Tanaka did the music for the original game.

I'm now even more excited for the Revolution. A new "Kid Icarus?" Yow. Finally, Nintendo has answered my prayers.

To me, the XBox360 looks the least exciting of the three new systems. But that's me.

-A Boy

[Gamereviewgod]

but the reason of ideas being stolen makes sense (Analog stick, wireless controllers all copied). I take it nintendo is doing something pretty big or "revolutionary" in terms of controller like their d-pad or analog stick

In an interview with Reggie on G4, he said he knew the other companies were showing everything.

So, why not show the Rev controller? With multi-million dollar games in development for the other consoles right now, and the Rev controller supposedly completely unique, would Sony change their controller and screw with those developers who already have what is likely the final design? With less than a year to go, it's doubtful Sony (and defintely not MS) would change the controller to copy Nintendo.

If it is a good controller, then the in the next gen, someone is going to copy it anyway. This seems like another excuse for something they're still unsure for. They needed something to show people and wow them with. That was a great opportunity.


I don't know if people who speak ill of Nintendo do so out from an objective standpoint of if they felt burned because Nintendo did live to that person's expectations. Or perhaps Nintendo fans are easy to get riled up so negative posters may just want to stir the pot to get a rise. Who knows?

I'm simply disgusted with the way they're doing things. It comes off as cocky and conceded (sp?). Reggie took a cheap shot at Sony (which was highly unproffesional), dodged the fact that the Cube is third with GBA stats, and said the PSP is no threat. They released no concerete info, are relying on their past instead of the future, and flat out failed when revealing their new console.

I love Nintendo for what they've done in the past, but this is a very "what have you done for me lately" industry. I've played their old games, I still love them, but we need to know where they're going.

[hydr0x]

I'm simply disgusted with the way they're doing things. It comes off as cocky and conceded (sp?).

see, and that's why you are not being objective anymore. You may dislike the way they are doing things but that doesn't mean they are doing things wrong and you should accept that. I dislike the fact that Sony stops developers from making 2D-games but allows crappy games like the ones from Phoenix Games, but that doesn't blind me too not see all the very good games for the PS2. You may not like the fact that Nintendo isn't taking it's competition too serious, but as long as they make profit and remain a healthy company there's nothing wrong with it, now if they we're loosing money, not developing anything good anymore and so on and would be behaving this way then i could understand you, but they aren't!! And it's not like MS and Sony are not behaving cocky, didn't they say they were just competing against each other?? doesn't sound different from the things Nintendo is saying to me....



For someone "not excited" you sure have been doing your part to hype it up around these parts.

lol you must be thinking of someone else, please show me where i HYPED anything?? did i anywhere say "wow, the Rev is gonna blow everything else away" "hey, i'm sure the Rev will have the best graphics", "look at all the hundreds of amazing features the Rev has", "Nintendo will crush the others", "Nintendos games are the best" or anything like that?? never, ever! i just can't stand the fact that people are fucking dooming a console they don't know shit about yet, that's all. Yeah, we didn't see too much of the Revolution yet, but for gods sake, if you have a little bit of objectivity left you KNOW that doesn't mean anything. The console could be the best of the three, it could also be the worst, we just don't know yet.

And about the "theory" that just because you don't show anything at E3 the system is already doomed: it's bullshit. Only about 10-20% of gamers read gaming magazines, and even less keep up with gaming news on the internet, that means at least 75% don't have any idea what was actually shown and what not, they only know what the clerks tell them when they walk into the store. Do you really think E3 has any influence on them? not in 100 years, and i know what i'm talking about, i am selling video games.

[Wavelflack]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

The 5200 analog wasn't too much of a gameplay difference, which is why it wasn't used again until the N64, when they made it worth having. OutRun doesn't count, as I don't think your average user was running out and buying OutRun arcade machines for their home. And I meant true wireless. RF has been around for a long, long time, and it sucked.


Analogue controllers have been around for a coon's age. What matters is games with analogue sensitivity. Pac-Man's arcade controls were analogue, but the game was not analogue sensitive. Things like SEGA GT, however, are, and that makes all the difference between just pushing the fuel pedal and pushing the pedal to the metal or just a slight amount of petro.

I have a Ms. Pac-Man machine, and unless it was redesigned between the two machines, I would assume Pac-Man is just as not analog as Ms. Pac-Man is. I've never heard of Pac-Man having analog controls before. Are you sure?

1. Pac Man does not have analog controls. I'm guessing he doesn't actually know what analog means.
And yes, I DO own a Pac machine.

2. Anyone want to step up and point out which 5200 require analog controls? I know Star Raiders and Super Breakout (and other "paddle" type games--Kaboom! port, etc.), I can't remember about Missile Command.
This is beside the point, though. The Miyamoto statement doesn't say anything about "better wireless", "better analog stick", or "home rumble". He's obviously content with taking credit for all three of those innovations in gaming, even though all three existed prior to Nintendo's implementation.
OutRun does count. I'm pretty sure it was the first game to have a "rumble" feature (AND force feedback on the wheel). I could be wrong. At any rate, there is a decade gap between OutRun using rumble and N64 "inventing" rumble.
Finally, what is "true wireless"? Somehow you are differentiating between RF wireless and "true wireless". Are you talking about infrared controllers (which operate beyond RF spectrum)? You have to pick one or the other. RF or infrared. No controllers operate in the microwave band, and going to the other end of the spectrum introduces ionizing radiation, which probably would not be an acceptable product eminating from your game controller.
Anyway, you say that RF sucks. Do you like your Wavebird?

[sabre2922]

As long as I get ZELDA for my Gamecube :rocker: Ill be a happy gamer.

I see that A lot of gamers here at DP are hyped about the Revolution and thats great a bit of a surprise to me but its good to see that a lot of ppl here still believe in Nintendo and that in itself gives me a little more hope for what they can do with Revolution. Backwards compatible with Gamecube is another + for me also.

I still think that my next-gen gaming set up will be the Xbox360 and Revolution I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER $HIT sony system again :moon:

[sabre2922]

hydr0x in all respect I think you far underestimate what media hype can do just look what it did for the PS2 :-D

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm now even more excited for the Revolution. A new "Kid Icarus?" Yow. Finally, Nintendo has answered my prayers.
Interesting. Hip got kicked out of Nintendo for doing some artwork for the Pokemon company, last I knew!

I saw an article very, very recently where Miyamoto said (a rough paraphrase here) that if another person asked for a new Kid Icarus, they'd consider making it. Yet it came off as being sarcastic. Were they pulling our leg?

Anyhow.

The reason people stay hyped in Nintendo is that Nintendo provides new classics in the style we like. Simple. Zelda is a (nearly) decades-old brand and when you buy a game with the name on it, you know it'll be good. As I said before, if you stick with only a few games, you'll know that the Revolution will be recieving some great Nintendo exclusives (sooner or later LOL )

To dismiss Nintendo in terms of hardware only is ignoring that Nintendo provides what many gamers see as a complete package, and irreplacable gaming experiences (whether this is actually true or not...well, just look at all the great games that have gone under the radar over the years). I for one have to admit that I've never bought a current gen Zelda clone, instead opting to get the "real thing."

Zelda's like Coca-Cola to youngsters like myself, and in fact it stirs up more emotion in me than does that brand (besides, Zelda never gave me cavities or made me burp...)

[PDorr3]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

[Griking]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

If that's all you're looking for then wouldn't you rather Nintendo just make new games based on these licenses for the Gamecube rather than make you purchase a new console?

[PDorr3]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

If that's all you're looking for then wouldn't you rather Nintendo just make new games based on these licenses for the Gamecube rather than make you purchase a new console?

I could really care less, but its obvious they are making a new system so I will buy the new system for the games.

[CartCollector]

On the "controller innovation" topic:
You also have to remember that Nintendo established two other standards in gaming: the D-Pad and shoulder buttons.

[Teo]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

If that's all you're looking for then wouldn't you rather Nintendo just make new games based on these licenses for the Gamecube rather than make you purchase a new console?

And GameCube was a really good console. Personally I'd rather not get my "I wish Nintendo would rather this" opinions mixed up with the reality of the situation. Let em make what they make. They're good at what they make. And they make it really good.

[poopnes]

Not going to look through all of the threads to see if this has been posted :

The Revolution might be "open source".

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/05/19/nintendo_promises_a_.html

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=02ea1a40-ac09-4cdf-9548-91e5a4e78746&page=

Now THAT would be a revolution...in the world of consoles.

[poopnes]

I'm about done with this topic. I've come to the conclusion that Nintendo is who they are and they're not going to change. So me and the rest of the world have two options:

1) Keep buying their hardware and software and love every minute.

2) Walk away and look back from time-to-time and remember the good old days.

There isn't really a middle. You either love them or you don't. I'm not saying that you can't have your Rev along with your PS3/360. Let's face the facts though, gamers made up their mind on the Rev before they heard anything about it. There will be no "second coming" of Nintendo...EVER. I used to wish for it, and honestly I still do. I'm just not going to let myself be let down anymore. I love Nintendo. I love their systems. I love their games. And I will continue to still buy them. With that being said I understand that I will probably not be content just with the Rev. I will also have to buy a PS3, but I'm OK with that.

I don't know if any of that made sense, it was just me rambling on.

[NintendoMan]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

If that's all you're looking for then wouldn't you rather Nintendo just make new games based on these licenses for the Gamecube rather than make you purchase a new console?

Well that would be like asking SONY why don't they make the new Metal Gear Solid 3 for the PS1, or GT4 for the PS1. Or any other core franchises for that matter.

[Mitch_Naz]

[quote] but the reason of ideas being stolen makes sense (Analog stick, wireless controllers all copied). I take it nintendo is doing something pretty big or "revolutionary" in terms of controller like their d-pad or analog stick

In an interview with Reggie on G4, he said he knew the other companies were showing everything.

So, why not show the Rev controller? With multi-million dollar games in development for the other consoles right now, and the Rev controller supposedly completely unique, would Sony change their controller and screw with those developers who already have what is likely the final design? With less than a year to go, it's doubtful Sony (and defintely not MS) would change the controller to copy Nintendo.

If it is a good controller, then the in the next gen, someone is going to copy it anyway. This seems like another excuse for something they're still unsure for. They needed something to show people and wow them with. That was a great opportunity.

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RE- Mitch_Naz

This is fairly valid, but you know Nintendo is kinda smart for not "showing all" and gives us teasers because the 360 & PS3 are clearly more powerful than it and it doesnt really make sense for them to even try to join this fuled "power next generation" E3. When I think about, keeping gamers like us in a state of mystery could be a good thing. The forums and everything will contine to guess and so on which will spread the word of Nintendo's new baby. We will know everything by years end and whats so revolutionary ?? I'll be waiting, but lets just keep spreading the word for nintendo's sake

[goatdan]

1. Pac Man does not have analog controls. I'm guessing he doesn't actually know what analog means.
And yes, I DO own a Pac machine.

Okay, that is what I thought.


2. Anyone want to step up and point out which 5200 require analog controls? I know Star Raiders and Super Breakout (and other "paddle" type games--Kaboom! port, etc.), I can't remember about Missile Command.
This is beside the point, though. The Miyamoto statement doesn't say anything about "better wireless", "better analog stick", or "home rumble". He's obviously content with taking credit for all three of those innovations in gaming, even though all three existed prior to Nintendo's implementation.

Taking credit for three innovations in the home that were not a mass market thing until that point is fair, in my opinion. There may have been infared technology in the past (not RF as I mistakenly typed before, I was trying to type faster than my fingers could go, sorry...) but there was never a wireless controller that was as broadly accepted as the WaveBird. I have wireless 2600, NES and SNES controllers, but none of them function half as decently, and none of them are half as good.

After Nintendo did all of those things, other people started using them, and they have become standards. I don't see how that can be denied.


OutRun does count. I'm pretty sure it was the first game to have a "rumble" feature (AND force feedback on the wheel). I could be wrong. At any rate, there is a decade gap between OutRun using rumble and N64 "inventing" rumble.

I do not agree with stating that OutRun was the reason that suddenly a bunch of home consoles started to have rumble. It wasn't a necessary feature until the N64.


Finally, what is "true wireless"? Somehow you are differentiating between RF wireless and "true wireless". Are you talking about infrared controllers (which operate beyond RF spectrum)? You have to pick one or the other. RF or infrared. No controllers operate in the microwave band, and going to the other end of the spectrum introduces ionizing radiation, which probably would not be an acceptable product eminating from your game controller.
Anyway, you say that RF sucks. Do you like your Wavebird?

Crap, yes. Like I said above I meant infared and not RF. Infared technology does not work half as stably as RF, and it was never something that caught on. After Nintendo releases the WaveBird controllers however, now everyone is doing wireless the next round.

As someone else pointed out, Nintendo was also the first company to popularize the D-pad. Yes, there had been others before it, but Nintendo cemented it as the standard. I would debate the shoulder buttons issue, as the 3DO and Jaguar both also had them (and the Jaguar controller introduced a TON of innovations that are still used today), and maybe first generation PSX controllers?

If Nintendo truly has something great for this next round, then hiding the controllers makes sense. It may be copied, but if it changes the way people really play games, then it will take these other companies longer to copy it. That would be a smart move.

[Ed Oscuro]

I personally have a hard time believing that the Revolution's controller will be that different - short of ditching buttons altogether and creating a Power Glove Advance, where the system would map your hand movements and map them into the simulated world, I don't see how Nintendo really will be doing anything to different from the other players. Everything I can think of is lame (sensor pad controllers) or not terribly feasible/practical. I'm sure they've thought about various avenues of approach much more than I have, though, so I'm not about to dismiss them. If they did have yet another standard wireless controller, they'd surely not have hidden the design this long.

On a related note, the past of gaming is interesting, but in the realm of this debate it makes not a whit of difference if Henry Ford or Howard Hughes invented the shoulder button. That won't change the picture if Nintendo's spinning their wheels in the mud.

[Griking]

All I know is that as long as nintendo's revolution will have mario, zelda, and metroid on it, franchizes I trust, Im all about getting this system.

If that's all you're looking for then wouldn't you rather Nintendo just make new games based on these licenses for the Gamecube rather than make you purchase a new console?

Well that would be like asking SONY why don't they make the new Metal Gear Solid 3 for the PS1, or GT4 for the PS1. Or any other core franchises for that matter.

In my opinion its all one big penis contest. All three companies are coming out with new consoles just so they can have bragging rights to say that they have the most powerful console even though none of them have maximized the abilities of their current consoles.

I really don't think that any of the games that have been announced for the next gen consoles couldn't be done on the current gen consoles if they really wanted to. but then again, there's no big hype factor in doing that.

[sabre2922]

umm I would say that the PS2 has been pushed to its full capabilities but as far as the Gamecube and Xbox go they still have a lot of potential left.

Splinter cell chaos theory on Xbox shows what the current Xbox is still capable of and probably more.

RE4 and the new ZELDA on Gamecube show how powerful this highly underrated console (from the mass of casual gamers anyway) actually is.

The fact is that the PS2 is faaaaar less powerful than both the Gamecube and Xbox just look at how the port of RE4 to PS2 has turned out thus far O_O .

I really think the PS2 is showing its age now much more so than either the GC or Xbox. I know this is an old argument that many ppl and fellow gamers are tired of but it seems even more true now that we have games like RE4 on GC and it (so far) looks like complete $hit on PS2 wether or not many ppl or fellow gamers would like to admit it or not ;)

That being said I do think that the push for these new systems is about a year too soon but theres very little or nothing us gamers can do about it.

[NintendoMan]

In my opinion its all one big penis contest.

LOL

I do kind of agree with what you are saying, about there is no need really to put out new consoles, when they haven't fully maximized the current ones.
But on the other hand, there is no way that the current gen. systems can make game like some of the ones that were at E3 on the PS3 + 360.

But I too would buy the next Nintendo console just for Mario games alone if I had to. Even if EVERY other game absolutely sucked on the console. So whatever they come out with I am sure I will be happy. Well, let's hope anyways.

[Jasoco]

Nintendo to give details about Revolution by year end.

"We plan to give details on when we will launch it, what the price will be, what the controller will look like and how games can be played on it by the end of the year," said Nintendo's Satoru Iwata, speaking to Reuters at the Electronic Entertainment Expo annual trade show, known as E3.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2005-05-20T113331Z_01_N20733001_RTRIDST_0_TECH-GAMEEXPO-NINTENDO-DC.XML

[Teo]

So yeah? What's with having an anti-Nintendo sentiment under a guise of still being objective? You know who I'm talking about. What's wrong with you giys, why can't you come out and say you think Nintendo are a bunch of belligerent assholes. At least I've chosen a side. Those of you who are waiting for all the information to pan out before deciding if you'll buy "New Nintendo Content" and while in the mean time doing everything short of obviously trashing Miyamoto, let me make myself clear:

:P
I think you'd better forego considering a REV altogether, shut up, and stick with those platforms that judging by what was shown OBVIOUSLY WILL have a couple of jacked off controllers.

[Jasoco]

I hope for your sake that wasn't directed at me.

You ever heard of "Quoting"? Instead of saying "You know who I'm talking about". :hmm: :P

[Teo]

I hope for your sake that wasn't directed at me.

You ever heard of "Quoting"? Instead of saying "You know who I'm talking about". :hmm: :P

Cool down Jasoco, actually no it wasn't direccted to you. Was your post directed at Me? Hope not for your sake.

See how that sounds? :roll: ueah I've heard of it. Does it mean I'm going to? Not if it's a sympathetic post that's meant to be related to not just anyone but everyone getting annoyed by dodgy agitators.. Does anyone think Nintendo are assholes and got no problem saying what you're really thinking? Fine in my book. And if you're like I'm and like where Nintendo's taking gaming then I don't think I could've offended you.

[Jasoco]

Does anyone think Nintendo are assholes and got no problem saying it? Fine in my book. And if you're like I'm and like where Nintendo's taking gaming then I don't think I could've offended you.I didn't think you were directing it at me. But it sure seemed like it since you replied right after mine and well, the details were vague. "You know who you are" could mean anyone. I'm surprised you took offense to my "For your sake" joke. LOL Lighten up. ;) Seriously, next time quote, or mention some names and avoid confrontations with the wrong people.

I agree. I wish all the haters would just shut the hell up. Don't buy the damn thing if they don't like it. Let the people who actually like the games buy the god damn games, you know?

[dan2357]

RE4 and the new ZELDA on Gamecube show how powerful this highly underrated console (from the mass of casual gamers anyway) actually is.

Reading this statement finally made it click to me. I have allways felt the same way and I had a Revoution of my own.
This system is not going to replace the cube, but exsist along side with it. Same way as the DS don't replace the GBA.
The backward compatable with the cube got me wondering "why?" why all of a sudden. Is the next nintendo console such a Rev that there will be less 3rd party support and less games for it? So now they can still make money off people playing GC games on it.
With the X360 being marketed as the center of your multimedia package in your house (playing your MP3 off your computer, chating while watching TV, ect..ect..),
I think Nintendo is building THE gaming center. By allowing the download content its like 5 systems or so in 1. Your own personal in home arcde sort of say. Which you can play online with your friends.
Not a Media Player a Game Player.
Then again I'm a bit nuts so who knows.


I do kind of agree with what you are saying, about there is no need really to put out new consoles, when they haven't fully maximized the current ones.
But on the other hand, there is no way that the current gen. systems can make game like some of the ones that were at E3 on the PS3 + 360.

You would be amazed what old tech is capable of. As you read I am still working on the same copmuter I was atleast 6 years ago. Its a Pentium I 233mhz, 128mb ram, 4mb ATI all in wonder TV tuner video card, with a voodoo2 12mb piggybacked. I still play unreal tournament, quake 3 arena, many a rainbow six game. I run Photoshop,Illustrator, Flash and many another graphic program on it with little to no hiccups.
Granted when installing and setting up it took some tweaking and adjusting, but they work and well at that.

Am I saying that they will stop making new better spec consoles, of course not they would lose money.
But I find it no surprise that the new Zelda is being released at end of year, I would not doubt if it hits around same time as the 360. So nintendo can say "Look, Look at this game this is what our little GC and do" and have side by side screens with games made for the 360.

ok I don't know where im going with this Like stated above I am a bit nuts so ............

[Ed Oscuro]

You would be amazed what old tech is capable of. As you read I am still working on the same copmuter I was atleast 6 years ago. Its a Pentium I 233mhz, 128mb ram, 4mb ATI all in wonder TV tuner video card, with a voodoo2 12mb piggybacked. I still play unreal tournament, quake 3 arena, many a rainbow six game.
NEWS FLASH: Quake III Arena is a six year old game and was developed at a time when Voodoo compatibility was still a big thing. Frankly, you'd be well off to buy a replacement - of any sort - and you'd be able to buy a better PC off eBay for next to nothing. I'm not quite sure how this piggybacked Voodoo 2 works, but right there is a reason it's able to run Quake III at all. Huge amounts of config tweaking will let a couple Voodoo 5s run DOOM III, I believe that's the card, but again, it's nothing that special.

The thing here is that a lot of the new increases in power aren't really that noticeable over what we had before. Going from sprite-based characters in 2.5D games to Quake was a huge thing; now an increase to per-pixel lighting isn't such a big thing. You sure won't have realistic physics on an old box like that, though.

[dan2357]

You would be amazed what old tech is capable of. As you read I am still working on the same copmuter I was atleast 6 years ago. Its a Pentium I 233mhz, 128mb ram, 4mb ATI all in wonder TV tuner video card, with a voodoo2 12mb piggybacked. I still play unreal tournament, quake 3 arena, many a rainbow six game.
NEWS FLASH: Quake III Arena is a six year old game and was developed at a time when Voodoo compatibility was still a big thing. Frankly, you'd be well off to buy a replacement - of any sort - and you'd be able to buy a better PC off eBay for next to nothing. I'm not quite sure how this piggybacked Voodoo 2 works, but right there is a reason it's able to run Quake III at all. Huge amounts of config tweaking will let a couple Voodoo 5s run DOOM III, I believe that's the card, but again, it's nothing that special.

The thing here is that a lot of the new increases in power aren't really that noticeable over what we had before. Going from sprite-based characters in 2.5D games to Quake was a huge thing; now an increase to per-pixel lighting isn't such a big thing. You sure won't have realistic physics on an old box like that, though.


I do have a replacement allready, but im just to lazy to set it up and start transfering over docs and such.

the point of was not so much the programs, but the fact that old shit ( and in this case a big piece of shit) still has life left in it.
I feel consoles are like computers in such that most people never take full advantage of current tech, or past tech. and are just caught up in the numbers of it all.

when new system come out developement for games is far behind where the current gen work, So a company like nintendo will most likely be able to put out a game for the GC that looks just as pretty as a current gen game. (looks as good, physics probably not)
In a year or 2 next gen systems (x360, ps3, rev) games will tower over curent gen games.
This atleast is what I feel nintendo and sony are thinking, Let Microsoft come out with there new system as soon as they want, we will just hold off our best shit till then and compare it with it.
Same way Halo will be released around the time PS3 comes out, they will have time to take advantage of the system by then and the games will show It.
Halo 3 will have benifited from the extra dev time and will compare to the launch titles of the Ps3. although with the later launch date the differacnes wont be as noticable.

[downfall]

Complete and total speculation from someone (not me.. I don't have a quote source though), but VERY interesting nonetheless:


Revolution's secret has already been given away by Reggie, and putting together a few clues from Iwata reveals exactly what the 'Revolution' is:

1. Iwata emphasizes 'low power' consumption.
2. Revolution is 'all wireless'
3. Revolution is small
4. Revolution is designed to be cost-efficient
4. Squeenix prez. says that Nintendo has come up with an architecture that is 'not quite a portable, not quite a console, but the best of both worlds'.... or something like that.
5. Reggie says that the Revolution controller would give away what the console is all about....

What these clues indicate is that Revolution is a console/portable hybrid, the Rev. controller will be essentially a PSP level portable which has all its processing chipset in the revolution console itself, essentially a controller with a high quality screen. When you are not playing the rev. at home, you just pack it in your backpack or something and head out.

The revolution will transmit video data to its controller screen wirelessly and you will be able to play GC, N64, SNES, NES and Rev. games on the go. Since the rev. will be small and in your backpack no one will be able to tell that you are using a console to play games on the go. The low power consumption will probably mean that the rev. will be running on some sort of battery. And if you're in a hotspot you can play GC quality or better games online on the go.

Essentially with this scenerio Nintendo does not have to shrink down the GC chipset to fit into a portable, they get to leverage their portable experience and you get a console that you can play at home or outside. If you have friends coming over you probably won't even need a TV, as long as you both have your controllers the Rev. console will transmit to the screens of both. This may be a reason that Nintendo is aiming to make the console as cheap as possible, since a large part of the cost is going into controller manufacturing, and one will probably be packed in with each Revolution console.

[Slipdeath]

Complete and total speculation from someone (not me.. I don't have a quote source though), but VERY interesting nonetheless:


Revolution's secret has already been given away by Reggie, and putting together a few clues from Iwata reveals exactly what the 'Revolution' is:

1. Iwata emphasizes 'low power' consumption.
2. Revolution is 'all wireless'
3. Revolution is small
4. Revolution is designed to be cost-efficient
4. Squeenix prez. says that Nintendo has come up with an architecture that is 'not quite a portable, not quite a console, but the best of both worlds'.... or something like that.
5. Reggie says that the Revolution controller would give away what the console is all about....

What these clues indicate is that Revolution is a console/portable hybrid, the Rev. controller will be essentially a PSP level portable which has all its processing chipset in the revolution console itself, essentially a controller with a high quality screen. When you are not playing the rev. at home, you just pack it in your backpack or something and head out.

The revolution will transmit video data to its controller screen wirelessly and you will be able to play GC, N64, SNES, NES and Rev. games on the go. Since the rev. will be small and in your backpack no one will be able to tell that you are using a console to play games on the go. The low power consumption will probably mean that the rev. will be running on some sort of battery. And if you're in a hotspot you can play GC quality or better games online on the go.

Essentially with this scenerio Nintendo does not have to shrink down the GC chipset to fit into a portable, they get to leverage their portable experience and you get a console that you can play at home or outside. If you have friends coming over you probably won't even need a TV, as long as you both have your controllers the Rev. console will transmit to the screens of both. This may be a reason that Nintendo is aiming to make the console as cheap as possible, since a large part of the cost is going into controller manufacturing, and one will probably be packed in with each Revolution console.
Yeah that is interesting, but will be able to plug into a TV?

[lendelin]

Complete and total speculation from someone (not me.. I don't have a quote source though), but VERY interesting nonetheless:


Revolution's secret has already been given away by Reggie, and putting together a few clues from Iwata reveals exactly what the 'Revolution' is:

1. Iwata emphasizes 'low power' consumption.
2. Revolution is 'all wireless'
3. Revolution is small
4. Revolution is designed to be cost-efficient
4. Squeenix prez. says that Nintendo has come up with an architecture that is 'not quite a portable, not quite a console, but the best of both worlds'.... or something like that.
5. Reggie says that the Revolution controller would give away what the console is all about....

What these clues indicate is that Revolution is a console/portable hybrid, the Rev. controller will be essentially a PSP level portable which has all its processing chipset in the revolution console itself, essentially a controller with a high quality screen. When you are not playing the rev. at home, you just pack it in your backpack or something and head out.

The revolution will transmit video data to its controller screen wirelessly and you will be able to play GC, N64, SNES, NES and Rev. games on the go. Since the rev. will be small and in your backpack no one will be able to tell that you are using a console to play games on the go. The low power consumption will probably mean that the rev. will be running on some sort of battery. And if you're in a hotspot you can play GC quality or better games online on the go.

Essentially with this scenerio Nintendo does not have to shrink down the GC chipset to fit into a portable, they get to leverage their portable experience and you get a console that you can play at home or outside. If you have friends coming over you probably won't even need a TV, as long as you both have your controllers the Rev. console will transmit to the screens of both. This may be a reason that Nintendo is aiming to make the console as cheap as possible, since a large part of the cost is going into controller manufacturing, and one will probably be packed in with each Revolution console.

Who wrote that? I completely agree, and I suspected the same even before E3. The more than sparse information about the Rev. by N hints at this direction.

The Rev won't be a traditional console, but in all likelihood a hybrid console/portable sytem. That is why N for a year now emphasizes lower power, not a direct competitor to the two new consoles, that gamers want shorter, simpler games, and Iwata some time ago mentioned that lesiure time activities of gamers changed because of the Internet. The target of "hardcore gamers" as well as the extreme "maintsream" gamers, the non-players, the cell-phone gamers, fit into the hybrid speculation as well.

When I saw E3, the emphasis on how small the new system will be; more powerful than the GC but nevertheless not as powerful as the two new consoles by Sony and MS, it fit into my hybrid speculation. What really convinced me was the emphasis on downloading older games. (Nes Tetris, old platformers; is there a better way to get high-quality games surpassing the cell phone games?)

Ns marketing strategy and its economic situation makes this scenario the most likely one:

N, already reduced in the console business to a niche market share, will remain a foothold in the console industry as a niche company; they will be able to produce still decent games for their system. (inferior ones graphiocally and from a power point of view, lacking third-party support of triple A titles, but good enough for their franchises)

But the real purpose of this strategy is to remain the leader in the handheld business endangered by Sony: the Rev. as a handheld system by sheer processing power and with its gamelibrary (downloadable content) will blow the PSP away. This way, N focuses on the branch of the industry where they have the biggest strenghts and something to defend.

It all makes sense even if you think about the rising development costs of game development.

I think they will provide even as a standard or a peripheral an LCD screen; Suddenly you have a small portable system with great game content, wi-fi and able to play DVDs.

This would be a smart business decision by N. However, it is not the best of two worlds. N accepts that they lost the console reace by intentionally reducing themselves to a niche company (which I said already more than six months ago), and they will have a great starting position as the leader in the handheld business.

The controllers in all likelihood will follow a dual route: something 'new' (we know the speculations) plus the control pad/analog control to play the older games. The 'new" control can be marketed within N image of the 'innovative' company by not giving up analog control for their established franchises.

The marketing, however, won't be easy: N has to make sure that its most devoted fanbase won't be disappointed. The most faithful believers are ready to nail you on the cross when they feel betrayed; they can be your worst enemy; additionally, the less-power-, garphics-aren't-everything-emphasis on the console side will contradict the -more-power emphasis on the handheld side; but nothing which can be overcome by euphemistic marketing talk. The marketing won't be as starightforward and easy as for the PS3 and 360.

N has to walk a very thin line the next year by gradual PR and leaks to prepare gamers (its fanbase and the laid back ones) for a less powerful console, a non-traditional console. They can't do that at once: you noticed that Iwata already tried at E3. On the one hand he used the decades old PR talk of being wowed by the graphics of the new system, on the other hand he tried to sell a less powerful system by saying it will be four times more powerful than the GC. Immediately, the issue of a less powerful system came up, the statement was 'corrected' (damage control), the euphemistic emphasis on something positive was replaced by a mere contradiction, criticism, and uncertainty.

Lets assume the statements by "Reggie" are true (haven't read them, but they fit exactly what I suspected), the reason why he came out so early with them is the controversy about Iwatas remark. They probably planned to leak this information much later and more gradually, but the uncertainty and question marks sparked by the statement are dangerous for such a difficult marketing startegy that lies before N. Speculations gone wild are more dangerous than effective for a system as ambigious as the Revolution; high expectations result easily in disappointment faced with the reality of a system designed to be a hybrid.

To say good-bye as a serious contender in the console business is a smart decision by N, and I hope the new system will survive within the console industry as a niche system. There is a danger, however, that both sides are alienated: the console gamers will be disappointed, and the portable gamers (including the casual ones) might not accept this system as a portable system.

I still think that this route is the best N could choose. It makes all the economic sense in the world, and the PSP will get a very serious contender. (I always regarded the DS as a transitional system, a quick counteract to the PSP)

[CartCollector]

What these clues indicate is that Revolution is a console/portable hybrid, the Rev. controller will be essentially a PSP level portable which has all its processing chipset in the revolution console itself, essentially a controller with a high quality screen. When you are not playing the rev. at home, you just pack it in your backpack or something and head out.

The revolution will transmit video data to its controller screen wirelessly and you will be able to play GC, N64, SNES, NES and Rev. games on the go. Since the rev. will be small and in your backpack no one will be able to tell that you are using a console to play games on the go. The low power consumption will probably mean that the rev. will be running on some sort of battery. And if you're in a hotspot you can play GC quality or better games online on the go.

Essentially with this scenerio Nintendo does not have to shrink down the GC chipset to fit into a portable, they get to leverage their portable experience and you get a console that you can play at home or outside. If you have friends coming over you probably won't even need a TV, as long as you both have your controllers the Rev. console will transmit to the screens of both. This may be a reason that Nintendo is aiming to make the console as cheap as possible, since a large part of the cost is going into controller manufacturing, and one will probably be packed in with each Revolution console.
Remember myt mention of how the Rev would look a while back, and everyone cried "Foul?" This sounds exactly like it.

[Kilik Kurosawa]

What these clues indicate is that Revolution is a console/portable hybrid, the Rev. controller will be essentially a PSP level portable which has all its processing chipset in the revolution console itself, essentially a controller with a high quality screen. When you are not playing the rev. at home, you just pack it in your backpack or something and head out.

The revolution will transmit video data to its controller screen wirelessly and you will be able to play GC, N64, SNES, NES and Rev. games on the go. Since the rev. will be small and in your backpack no one will be able to tell that you are using a console to play games on the go. The low power consumption will probably mean that the rev. will be running on some sort of battery. And if you're in a hotspot you can play GC quality or better games online on the go.

Essentially with this scenerio Nintendo does not have to shrink down the GC chipset to fit into a portable, they get to leverage their portable experience and you get a console that you can play at home or outside. If you have friends coming over you probably won't even need a TV, as long as you both have your controllers the Rev. console will transmit to the screens of both. This may be a reason that Nintendo is aiming to make the console as cheap as possible, since a large part of the cost is going into controller manufacturing, and one will probably be packed in with each Revolution console.
Remember myt mention of how the Rev would look a while back, and everyone cried "Foul?" This sounds exactly like it.

no please refresh our memories



so does this new speculation mean we have to carry this "console" around with us? that would be a pain. and what ever happened to the the GBA2 they didn't even talk about that! also where does the "third pillar" scheme fit into all of this???

[downfall]

In an interview with Reggie on G4, he had this to say about the Revolution's controller:


". . . the ability to download and play the best NES games, SNES games, N64 games, in addition to Revolution gagmes and Gamecube games. If you put those controllers all lined up together, they're all very different. So think about "What kind of device is going to allow you to play all those different types of games?"

[CartCollector]

Back on Page 7 I posted something (and edited it). Right below it is a nice little comment from Grayrobertos.

Thank goodness I saved it in Word. Here are some highlights (the original was REALLY long):


Around the console's edges was a black band at the top and bottom, with a silver band in between them. The picture I saw had the stick-in CD drive. I don't know the technical term for it, but you stick the disc in a slot and have to press a button to get it out. It's at the center-right on the front of the console. (To visualize, the front here is the long side of the 3 DVD cases.) A disc was half-in while a game was still playing, which is why I think it is a mock-up. On the left side was something that I couldn't really identify. A little grey thing stuck out, and next to it was a button. The side of it looked as if it was chopped at a 45-degree angle. I think this is the memory card. The button is probably there to eject it, so you don't carelessly yank it out. Another thing that should be mentioned is that the console flipped open...
When you open the console, you will find that there is a SCREEN on the top. Why would there be a screen? Well, below it is a replica of a GameCube controller. What does this mean? The Revolution might be both a console and a portable! Much like the PSOne, but on LAUNCH DAY! There is no other console in history that has attempted this to my knowledge. So, you could get the best of both worlds, which beats all other portable competitors in terms of graphics. Even the nice, shiny PSP can't top next-gen consoles or even the current-gen ones! Only problem is that I don't know if it will be Revolution-compatible in portable mode. I hope it is...