Generation NEX: NES micro-clone from Messiah

[zmweasel]

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[rbudrick]

Best Fami/Nesclone ever! Well, I hope so, but knowing Messiah's reputation, it's going to rock.

Hey....I don't see anywhere to pre order on that link...

-Rob

[Bratwurst]

Why hasn't this thread exploded yet? This is the real Nintendo revolution, and damn, I am going to get one.

Just as soon as I hear about how it handles sound.

[Six Switch]

sounds cool but the link doesn't work for me

[zmweasel]

sounds cool but the link doesn't work for me

I screwed up the initial post -- had an extra period in the link. Should work fine now.

-- Z.

[Drexel923]

sounds cool but the link doesn't work for me

Thats cause there is a "period" at the end of the link. Just delete it and it works.

This looks really sweet. I might have to pick one up at CGE to go along with my Messiah NES controllers. :)

[syzygy]

Do any NES games a the rumble feature?

[jajaja]

Do any NES games a the rumble feature?

Nope, not if you mean that the controller is shaking. Was no such thing as rumble back in NES days. Think PSX was the first who got this feature.

[RetroYoungen]

That's a really pretty piece of hardware, and I LOVE the idea! I guess I'll probably order one online and pick it up at CGE, but maybe just buy one there. How many are you bringing to CGE by chance, or do you know yet?

[Crush Crawfish]

Dear god. That is freakin' awesome!!!!!! It's cheaper than a top-loader, has AV input, and plays famicom games?! I'm all over this if the sound is accurate. :Begins to fervently save up cash:

[klausien]

The question is:

Does it play Castlevania III?

If so, it just might be the best way to play NES games.

[Graham Mitchell]

Do any NES games a the rumble feature?

Nope, not if you mean that the controller is shaking. Was no such thing as rumble back in NES days. Think PSX was the first who got this feature.

N64, actually. I think the first game to have it was Starfox 64.


Back on topic...
I'm totally stoked. Is anybody going to manufacture new cartridges for this thing? I'll get one anyway, but I think it would be interesting if some NES carts went back into print. I don't think it'd be worthwhile to start pressing up SMB3 and Final Fantasy, because games like that are common as dirt. But maybe some old Capcom games, or some of the more obscure Mega Man titles would be neat. Something like that.

[Ed Oscuro]

It's...another Famiclone. At that price, they'd better deliver what they're promising, but even so I don't see any features there to interest me.

[Sam]

Final Fantasy as common as dirt? O_O

Anyway I have to say I'm more excited about this than the new consoles at the moment. I've been wanting a top loader for a while, but I think this tops my most wanted list now. Perfection is the only word I can think of.

[BIGMIKE]

guess i can play imports and stuff finally.........if i get my hands on this :D

on a side note, i found some japanese carts at a pawn today. i think they are super nintendoish....do ya have to have a adapter or something for them to work?

[TheRedEye]

Is it really impossible to put S-video output on a famiclone? I've yet to see one company do it.

[Kid Ice]

Wow, there's my first purchase at CGE. That's incredible.

[Mangar]

It's...another Famiclone. At that price, they'd better deliver what they're promising, but even so I don't see any features there to interest me.

The big features that i see are the fact that it's a top-loader, with decent AV Outputs. The other things are nice extra's, but those two are the selling points for me.

That's always been my big problem with the NES. I love my top loader, but in order to use it - You sacrifice picture quality. Outside of modifying my current NES, this seems to be the best possible solution. Not that i'm going to buy it, but i am considering it :)

One thing i believe this will do: Is kill the premium price paid on the secondary market for Top loaders. Outside of just having one for the "Collection." There isn't a need for it with this. Assuming of course that it works as advertised.

[digitalpress]

I got to see their prototype in action at E3. The thing is REALLY slick. It looks like a next-gen NES, that is, same colors but like a slimline version, all thin and polished. front slot takes NES, top slot takes Famicom. The rumble feature works for ALL games - it's a neat trick where they split the sound signal from the game and send a portion of it to the controller. The wireless option is the icing on the cake. You can play with virtually no sign that you even have a game console around. Slide all the parts into a drawer to stash them away if you must, but DAMN if you won't look cool with this sleek NES update on your TV.

Messiah does quality work and this product is no exception. I've already got my pre-order in!

[calthaer]

This is, quite frankly, the most awesome thing I've seen in several years. Even better than the Revolution (although I'm still somewhat psyched about that, too).

I don't know if I'll pre-order for something that's shipping in September, but come August I certainly will.

[Cthulhu]

I'm not familiar with their stuff, but this does sound like a pretty neat famiclone. When you say "optional wireless," does that mean the controllers can be used with a cord as well? (I ask because wireless stuff hates me with a passion. LOL )

[Six Switch]

wow that is really cool,i will get one almost for sure

[16-bit]

Is it really impossible to put S-video output on a famiclone? I've yet to see one company do it.

S-video output is available on the Sharp Famicom Titler and it looks amazing. Unfortunately, the TItler is the rarest consumer famicom system.

I don't think it is impossible for the clones, but I think they are going for the cheapest pricepoint possible. If they add s-video it is going to add to the price. I hope they add a second version with S-video output cause I think it would be worth the premium.

[DeliverMessiah]

guess i can play imports and stuff finally.........if i get my hands on this :D

on a side note, i found some japanese carts at a pawn today. i think they are super nintendoish....do ya have to have a adapter or something for them to work?

There is no adapter needed to play japanese soft. There are two cartridge ports. One for the US games and the other for international carts. :D

[segagamer4life]

great I will be picking one of these up in sept.. nice..

[DeliverMessiah]

I'm not familiar with their stuff, but this does sound like a pretty neat famiclone. When you say "optional wireless," does that mean the controllers can be used with a cord as well? (I ask because wireless stuff hates me with a passion. LOL )
There is built in wireless in the console so you dont need a receiver with your wireless controllers. There are also two controller ports like the original so you can used wired controllers as well. :)

[GarrettCRW]

Wow.

I've got a couple of Famicom-releated questions, though:

1) Will this system be compatible with the Disk System FM and Konami's custon sound chips? It's my understanding that Famiclones tend to choke on these issues in particular.

2) Will you guys be thinking about making a Famicom accessory port-to-NES controller 2 port converter?

[CartCollector]

I have one question. Only one, big question. IS IT LEGAL? If it's not, then I could see Messiah getting sued out of business. If it is, an uses a good cartridge slot... No more cartridge cleaning...
:D

[Leo_A]

100% legal

[CartCollector]

How would you know? Did DeliverMessiah tell you?

[Leo_A]

There's nothing illegal by producing a NES clone, that's why. There's nothing protected by patents that they need to secure a license from Nintendo to produce here, and these devices have been common for several years.

Nintendo is only going after NES clones that come with built in NES titles that are still protected. I don't need to be told this by Messiah. A little bit of research on your part could've answered your question.

[imanerd0011]

Messiah,

Amazing looking product!!! I wish however that you would up the price a bit and include 2 wireless controllers. Since the main upgrade on this is the fact that uses wireless controllers, and not normal ones like a regular NES.

[stonecutter]

BIGMIKE, also wanted to say if the carts you found are super famicom/super nintendo, no adaptor is needed. In your SNES there are two tabs where you insert the cart, just file them off or burn them off with a soldering iron. Then you can actually insert the super famicom carts in a snes. I did that with one of my snes.

This generation nex is very nice. Personally I might wait for a price drop since I have good nes toasters that still work fine. I also have a nes toploader I got for a $ 27 us ebay buy it now, from a non collector and I snagged it within half hour of auction start. But I don't even use my toploader yet, so Ican wait for price drops on this eventually.

Even though it may be a long time for me to get one, I think this is great for the hobby, and those of you without good working nes machines get oet one and enjoy a great library of nes games !

Game on

[goatdan]

Looks pretty interesting. Since my NES is built into my TV (Sharp combo ;) ) I doubt I'll be picking one up... but it is interesting.

Can anyone tell me more about the NES controllers? I have wanted to pick some of these up for a while (I like supporting new hardware for old consoles... hell, making Jaguar hardware was how I got started collecting and involved with the GOAT Store) but every time I look at them I don't understand what the hell the D-pad is and if the select / start buttons are membrane or not.

We just moved into our new house yesterday, and it means my TV is ALL the way across my bedroom. The Messiah wireless controllers sound like a great option (I do have an infared controller somewhere too though) but I'd like to hear more about them and see detailed pictures...

Anyone? :D

Also, will the console come with two wireless controllers, or are the receivers only built in so that if / when they upgrade to Messiah controllers, it'll be ready?

[TheRedEye]

Is it really impossible to put S-video output on a famiclone? I've yet to see one company do it.

S-video output is available on the Sharp Famicom Titler and it looks amazing. Unfortunately, the TItler is the rarest consumer famicom system.

I don't think it is impossible for the clones, but I think they are going for the cheapest pricepoint possible. If they add s-video it is going to add to the price. I hope they add a second version with S-video output cause I think it would be worth the premium.

I agree, I have no reason to replace my NES until someone makes a clone with S-video output.

[Gamemaster_ca_2003]

Man thats cool hope nintendo can hear this.

You gots to get these guys a Licence and get this thing into the Retail Channels.

[TheRedEye]

Man thats cool hope nintendo can hear this.

You gots to get these guys a Licence and get this thing into the Retail Channels.

Why do they need a license? The hardware patents are expired, they're free and clear.

[Melf]

http://www.playmessiah.com/images/onlinestore/ps-NEX.jpg

Sha-zam! That's sexy as hell!

[Push Upstairs]

While i am looking forward to the wireless Genesis controllers i really am looking forward to this.

Wireless possibility, slots for both NES & Famicom carts, ability to use regular NES controllers. This really is the "Nintendo Revolution".


Makes me sad i got my Neo Fami not that long ago :/

[PC-Famicom64]

http://www.playmessiah.com/images/onlinestore/ps-NEX.jpg

Sha-zam! That's sexy as hell!I just hope that Nintendo say's Ok to this. :eek 2:

[Nesmaster]

:hail: :love:

looks so amazing. I'll have to pick this up later, and possibly 1 or 2 wireless controllers also :D

[classicb]

wow @_@ I have my updated Tecmo Super Bowl carts and now I'll have an updated NES to play them on. I hope this sells well and they have an updated SNES in the works.

[evilmess]

I don't even collect NES games and I want one!

I will buy this just to play Jackal, Thundercade and Felix the Cat! (some faves from my old nes days)

[TheRedEye]

I got a reply re: S-video:


Hello,

The old software won't support S-video. We could have converted the AV outputs to S-video but it would have added a lot of cost to the retail price point and it would not look any better than the AV. We would have had the connection but no benefit.

Thanks for you interest in Messiah!
Brad

So that explains why I can't find an S-video mod for the NES, I guess. Doesn't really explain how the Titler works though.

[SSJ3]

I am loooking forward to it, and its pretty cheap for a console these days, consoles are running $300 and over, this is only $60. Can't wait.

[pookninja]

even though i already have a top loading nes and a regular nes,i might still order one of these just for the cool factor it would add to my gameroom.

[Mangar]

Well it explains why the Titler can have an S-Video output. It just has no real effect on picture quality according to Messiah.

[googlefest1]

edit {{can they sell this in stores ? - do they have a licence?}} - i see this was answered already

like gametech has for the neofami

i thought all nes games were mono


whats with all the nes clones anyway - start making some sms clones

if this is a legit product - and becomes real sucessfull - i hope some companies start releasing new games for it -- or come out with dev kits for hobyests to try making games -- i know id take a crack at it

60$ is pricey when you can get a neofami for 30$ including the shipping

[omnedon]

Expect these to be available in some Canadian stores if I can help make it happen.

Beautiful product, and a great idea.

[Bratwurst]

60$ is pricey when you can get a neofami for 30$ including the shipping

Except it supports both NES and Famicom formats in one, and has built in wireless support. If it is better built in terms of audio output and RF shielding, it's going to be worth every penny.

It looks great, too.

[TougherToast]

I'll be getting one just for the famicom and wireless.

Wish I could get one at CGE, but I won't be able to make it. Guess I'll just have to buy it online then.

[98PaceCar]

DeliverMessiah:

Can we preorder and pick up at CGE? I want to make sure I get one of these!!

98PaceCar

[o2william]

To paraphrase Peter Griffin, my God, this idea is freakin' sweet. If I hadn't recently acquired an A/V Famicom and Fami-NES converter, I'd have bought this thing in a heartbeat. Now I'll have to think about it. I might pick one up anyway just to help support the company -- it's an awesome idea and I'd love to see it applied to other consoles. If Messiah produces something like this for the TG16/PCE, I'll be first in line.

Congrats! Is this a good time to be a retrogamer or what??

[lendelin]

This sleek little machine will be a great addition to my standard toaster and the top loader. For this price certainly worthwhile.

I'll buy one for sure: To play American releases plus Famicoms plus my European cartridges (still have around ten of them) w/o an adapter is great; the rumble feature is a small one, but a very appealing one; and I wanted to pick up the wireless controllers anyway for some time.

[16-bit]

Well it explains why the Titler can have an S-Video output. It just has no real effect on picture quality according to Messiah.

I owned a titler and had it hooked up to my 42" tv. The picture was much sharper.

Anyway, I'd would pay the premium if it had s-video output. Otherwise, since I already own an AV fami--I'm set.

[s1lence]

I got my pre-order in.

[TheRedEye]

Well it explains why the Titler can have an S-Video output. It just has no real effect on picture quality according to Messiah.

I owned a titler and had it hooked up to my 42" tv. The picture was much sharper.

Anyway, I'd would pay the premium if it had s-video output. Otherwise, since I already own an AV fami--I'm set.

That's pretty much where I stand too, though every day I consider buying a Titler just a little more.

[googlefest1]

60$ is pricey when you can get a neofami for 30$ including the shipping

Except it supports both NES and Famicom formats in one, and has built in wireless support. If it is better built in terms of audio output and RF shielding, it's going to be worth every penny.

It looks great, too.

the neofami has good sound ,picture, and suports both nes and famicom

yes this has wireless - RF wireless is a health hazard - if it was IR id be happier

[goatdan]

yes this has wireless - RF wireless is a health hazard - if it was IR id be happier

According to reports from http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop/cell-phone-health-FAQ/toc.html


A review of the epidemiology of RF energy from the International Commission for Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) Standing Committee on Epidemiology [219] concluded that: "Results of these studies to date give no consistent or convincing evidence of a causal relation between RF exposure and any adverse health effect".

[DeliverMessiah]

DeliverMessiah:

Can we preorder and pick up at CGE? I want to make sure I get one of these!!

98PaceCar
Yes pre-orders have started. During checkout you can choose a delivery option... either pick-up at CGE in August or to be shipped in September. (Shoot who wants to wait until Septemner?! X_x )

[ddockery]

IR is damn near worthless for applications like this. Needing a line of sight to the console really limits the effectiveness. RF is the only way to go.

[WanganRunner]

Damn, I really wish I hadn't bought that Neo Fami now....

My Neo Fami already does both NES/FC, albeit with a converter, already does AV-out (albeit mono sound), etc...

The BIG seller here, versus the NeoFami, is the actual NES controller ports. My Neo Fami has oddball ports, so I can only use it's gamepads, but on this, I can use an NES MAXX, Advantage, Dogbone, whatever I want.

Not to mention that the NeoFami looks a tad odd with the NES cart sticking way up in the air on top of the converter bit.

[Jibbajaba]

How easy will it be to insert and remove cartridges? Will I have to hold down the system with one hand while I pull out the cart with the other? Will it take a lot of force to insert a cart or will it be fairly "ziffy" like a toaster?

Will these be available for purchase at CGE or do I have to pre-order in order to get it there?

Are they compatible with any wireless controllers besides the set that you guys make?

In any case this looks like a really awesome product. Great job. Hopefully this works out for you guys and you can perhaps make updated versions of other classic consoles.

Chris

[Ed Oscuro]

One thing i believe this will do: Is kill the premium price paid on the secondary market for Top loaders. Outside of just having one for the "Collection." There isn't a need for it with this. Assuming of course that it works as advertised.
Don't mean to be negative, but it'd be amazing if all it takes is one reputable company to put out a decent Fami/NESclone to lower the premium. That's not to say it won't happen, since (amazingly, and for me a bit unexpected) so many people here are really psyched about this thing...for my part, $60 could buy a really nice semi-rare MD or home computer game outta Japan...I've got my priorities set.

I think it's gotta be that this is a retro games website. I can't believe this is going to make a serious impression on the general gaming public (though it could sell beyond expectations).

[sabre2922]

Very kool indeed.

Now to find more NES carts :/ I only have like 4 left.

[16-bit]

One thing i believe this will do: Is kill the premium price paid on the secondary market for Top loaders. Outside of just having one for the "Collection." There isn't a need for it with this. Assuming of course that it works as advertised.
Don't mean to be negative, but it'd be amazing if all it takes is one reputable company to put out a decent Fami/NESclone to lower the premium. That's not to say it won't happen, since (amazingly, and for me a bit unexpected) so many people here are really psyched about this thing...for my part, $60 could buy a really nice semi-rare MD or home computer game outta Japan...I've got my priorities set.

I think it's gotta be that this is a retro games website. I can't believe this is going to make a serious impression on the general gaming public (though it could sell beyond expectations).

If Gamestop carries the Atari Flashback, I don't see why they would not carry this system. I hope it gets good distribution.

[Lord Contaminous]

My biggest pet-peeve about this new hardware still remains:

Will I be able to enjoy Akumajou Densetsu music with this Gen NEX.

[tylerwillis]

Thumbs up on the coolness factor. I might get one eventually, but I modded my top-loader for A/V output... it was my first mod and I'm kinda attached to it.

Still, I am curious how the Titler does the s-video. If anyone comes up with a good answer, please post.

[PC-Famicom64]

I hope you don't git mad about this but,I just E-Mail Nintendo about The NEX,Ther may make it Ofishel or git rid of it,Pleses don't git mad at me. :(

[Bratwurst]

I hope you don't git mad about this but,I just E-Mail Nintendo about The NEX,Ther may make it Ofishel or git rid of it,Pleses don't git mad at me. :(

You are the most fascinating train wreck I have quite possibly ever encountered.

[MarioAllStar2600]

Awsomeness! I am so looking foward to this. Rumble pack on classic = amazing. Its sexy sleek design = amazing. Its strong signal wireless = amazing. I don't even think of it as a famiclone. They make there products nice enough I would call it a revision. I don't care if Nintendo didn't put it out. I will definatly be purchasing one first thing at CGE.

PS- Please raffle a few off? We know my luck with Messiah raffles! :evil:

[MarioAllStar2600]

I hope you don't git mad about this but,I just E-Mail Nintendo about The NEX,Ther may make it Ofishel or git rid of it,Pleses don't git mad at me. :(

Wow. I really hope you are kidding. Why would you try to get them in trouble? These are a great group of people, and this system is bound to be great. I for one, officially don't like you. I am a complete Nintendo nut, and I would've never done that. Seriously man, if your gunna be so negative get out of here, we don't want you.

[goatdan]

I hope you don't git mad about this but,I just E-Mail Nintendo about The NEX,Ther may make it Ofishel or git rid of it,Pleses don't git mad at me. :(

Wow. I really hope you are kidding. Why would you try to get them in trouble? These are a great group of people, and this system is bound to be great. I for one, officially don't like you. I am a complete Nintendo nut, and I would've never done that. Seriously man, if your gunna be so negative get out of here, we don't want you.

Actually, for a crappy of a thing to do as that is, I would hope that Messiah has already gone down the path of figuring out if it would be legal or not, and making sure that Nintendo can't come back at them for anything. Trust me when I say that I know from firsthand experience how wrong things can go if you go about it backwards, even if what you are doing is completely legal.

You can thank the DMCA for really screwing up the legal system with that. Thanks a lot, Mickey frickin' Mouse.

[Ed Oscuro]

Goddamnit, Leroy...

Well, if it's any consolation, Nintendo surely must've known about this. This might just be one of the first American Fami/NESclones made, and while it's legit that does give me a second's pause...still, as has been said already the patents should be free. I don't think design patents would apply either.

Still, that was....an incredibly bone-head move there, PC-FC :S

[Ninja Blacksox]

Very sexy.

I will have to preorder one.

A request, though.

It might be impossible, but would you mind making an FDS add on? Please? One that works? Without me having to take my Famicom Twin apart? Pretty please? With sugar on top? "Mirror no Paltina" like a motherfucker!

Seriously, though. That piece of hardware is quite an achievement. I can't wait to get my hands on one!

-A Boy