Beggar Prince - new Sega Genesis RPG: now shipping!

[suppafly]

Im really excited about this game. I love Genesis, I love Sega.

But the cover is a little...err...ugly. A nice cover would look SO much better!

[CosmicMonkey]

I'll bet these same guys complaining about the boxart have a stash of emus 20 meg large, and a bunch of ripped off mp3 files sitting on their computer. Ohhhhh, the hypocrisy. Ohhhhhhh the humanity.

Um, no. The only MP3s I have are CDs I own and ripped myself, or mixes that were made by the owners of the vinyl. As for ROMz, yeah I have a few unreleased games, but I'm no rom whore.

I'm not being picky over nothing. I do appreciate the effort that has gone into releasing this. So why let the overall product down with very uninspiring coverart?

This game is being sold in very different conditions to what MD games were originally sold. Back then when there were 20 new titles on the shelf to choose from, coverart played a very important part in making a decision. This game has nothing to compete against it, and it's being sold online.

So, let say Beggar Prince was released all those years ago, with this cover art.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1596/bpbox7qv.jpg

And it's sat there on the shelf next to the following:

http://media.gameworldnetwork.com/boxshots/genesis/2967.jpg
http://www.playright.dk/covers/phantasystariv_smd_eu.jpg
http://www.gamegrid.de/bilder/video/sd.jpg

Now which would immediately leap out at you? If you'd never seen a review (or heared of those series) and were basing the purchase on screenshots and boxart alone, which would you go for? I'm trying to be fair by using UK/US RPG boxart as a comparison.

[ManciGames]

Now which would immediately leap out at you? If you'd never seen a review (or heared of those series) and were basing the purchase on screenshots and boxart alone, which would you go for? I'm trying to be fair by using UK/US RPG boxart as a comparison.

To be honest, Beggar is better than Beyond Oasis, and just slightly behind Shining (though Shining's style is almost exactly the same as Beggar's. It just has more going on).

PS IV is the only clear cut winner, but that game was released 6 years into the system's life.

[Daria]

I'll bet these same guys complaining about the boxart have a stash of emus 20 meg large, and a bunch of ripped off mp3 files sitting on their computer.

That's sort of an enflammatory and unprofessional comment, don't you think? Daria and I can't voice a negative opinion about some ass-ugly box art without being called criminals?

Chris

Thanks for the backup Jibba.

As for the piracy comment, what does any of that have to do with the boxart? Were you trying to imply we wouldn't purchess the game Manci? As I've already started my copy has been bought and paid for. Actually, if I was going to download the game why would I care what it looked like? Your logic confuzzles me.

[CosmicMonkey]

PS IV is the only clear cut winner, but that game was released 6 years into the system's life.

Yes, and BP is being released, um, way after the MDs life. So there's many years worth of boxart out there as examples / inspiration.

[Melf]

I would say that since BP has no competition, then box art shouldn't be such a big issue. Moreover, how would the quality of the box art affect the game as a collectible? There are plenty of MD and PC-Engine games with bad art that are still quite expensive, so I don't see the issue with this, unless some are just anal enough about how it will look on a shelf.

Honestly, some people here get worked up over the most pointless of things. It's that part of the collector attitude that just irks me.

[nik]

if we didn't have bad boxart to talk about, what would make the good stuff so good?

Besides, boxes like megaman make for good conversations.

Classics and soon to be classic games don't need box art to be well made, who gives a crap about the box art, if its such a big deal, and you think you can do such a good job, make you own and shut up?

[Doonzmore]

Fact 1: Clamshell case beats cardboard box.

Fact 2: Full colored manual beats black and white manual.

Fact 2: Classic black checkered panel is beats red side panel.

Fact 4: A Genesis/MD release is beats no Genesis/MD release at all.

[Hammy]

hehe, at least you're getting a cover! it coulda been sold as an unboxed cart!!

if it had of been released of an unboxed cart, you would not of complained about the box art!!

anyway, there is a lot worse out there, and there is better.
hopefully the game is good enough to satisfy those of you that judge a game by it's looks!!

[ManciGames]

That's sort of an enflammatory and unprofessional comment, don't you think? Daria and I can't voice a negative opinion about some ass-ugly box art without being called criminals?
Chris

You're right, you're right. I take back the inflammatory part. But the point still stands. It's just irony, that's all.

[ManciGames]

As for the piracy comment, what does any of that have to do with the boxart? Were you trying to imply we wouldn't purchess the game Manci? As I've already started my copy has been bought and paid for. Actually, if I was going to download the game why would I care what it looked like? Your logic confuzzles me.

That's a fair question, and I'll clarify.

What I mean is that by having a bunch of ROMs or mp3s (heck, even if they are legally obtained in both cases), you have stated your preference that the game matters more than the packaging. Otherwise, you would have made the effort to track down originals.

Now, with Beggar, would it make you happier if it was made available as download so that you wouldn't have to look at the boxart, just as long as the game was good?

You see what I'm getting at?

[ManciGames]

if we didn't have bad boxart to talk about, what would make the good stuff so good?

You know, that's a good point. The thing is, it's not the discussion of whether its good or bad that bothers me, it's the attitude that they HAVE to redo it because some people who have paid for it don't like it. Or the implication that the inferior (at least in their opinion) art is some sort of insult to the money they have paid for their preorder.

[Jibbajaba]

if we didn't have bad boxart to talk about, what would make the good stuff so good?

You know, that's a good point. The thing is, it's not the discussion of whether its good or bad that bothers me, it's the attitude that they HAVE to redo it because some people who have paid for it don't like it. Or the implication that the inferior (at least in their opinion) art is some sort of insult to the money they have paid for their preorder.

Hey man, I never said you should re-do a thing. I think that maybe people who were suggesting that were saying that a third party could design a downloadable replacement insert. But maybe I am misunderstanding.

Look man, I appreciate as much as anyone the fact that you guys released a new Genesis game. All I am saying is that the picture on the front of the box is so bad that it's almost funny. It reminds me of the "fan art" in EGM or PSM that's bad but somehow made the cut one month due to a lack of submissions. Now if I had bought the game, I might be a bit more irked.

I don't know man. No one is trying to rag on you guys. Some people are just disappointed. You guys tookthis good game and had it translated, made carts, secured a shitload of clamshells, but then seemed to strike out on the insert. Put yourself in the shoes of a buyer who is also a collector.

Chris

[FantasiaWHT]

Hey maybe they are using the same tactic that the Nintendo apologists feel Nintendo is using- purposefully releasing horrible boxart so that we'll have SOMETHING to talk about regarding the game hehe. Cause this thread was dead but now it's lively again ;)

[anagrama]

For curiousity value, I'd be interested in seeing what the original Taiwanese cover was like.

[crazyjackcsa]

I think the art is pretty good. However having a character with his back to the gamer doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I know it's to show the two characters fighting, but there has to be a better way.

[CMA Death Adder]

For curiousity value, I'd be interested in seeing what the original Taiwanese cover was like.

Here's the original box art from the Taiwanese release:

Front (http://dfg.the-underdogs.info/temp/Xi-1.jpg)
Back (http://dfg.the-underdogs.info/temp/Xi-2.jpg)

The original box art was not reused for a few reasons:

1). While it is very good art, it didn't depict any action element or give any insight into what the game was about. It simply showed the characters standing there, along with the name of the game.

2). The printing of the originals wasn't extremely high quality, and the scans lost even more quality. The resulting art looked somewhat washed out and unfit for a new release.

3). Didn't fit into the dimensions of what we had planned.

The original artist wasn't available to draw new art for us. I had instead hired a contract artist to provide our new box art. However, some way through the process he was overtaken with personal matters and had to stop working. With the box art deadline quickly approaching, I hired a local artist to start & finish the job. I think he did a nice job.

Again, I am sorry that some of you disapprove of the box art we decided to go with - but in this case, it was either finish the art with the artist I had available, or wait and push the game's production & release date back. In the interests of getting the game completely finished so we could release it in time, this was my decision.

[FantasiaWHT]

The original cover art is much much better, too bad.

You actually paid somebody to make your new cover? I'd demand my money back, or at least ask that s/he take a high school art course first.

[GrandAmChandler]

The original cover art is much much better, too bad.

You actually paid somebody to make your new cover? I'd demand my money back, or at least ask that s/he take a high school art course first.

I agree, If the original artwork was used in conjunction with the original checkerboard Sega background or even the red stripe format, it would look awesome.

[suppafly]

The original cover art is much much better, too bad.

You actually paid somebody to make your new cover? I'd demand my money back, or at least ask that s/he take a high school art course first.

I agree. The original cover is better! x_x

[Bratwurst]

CMA Death Adder, what sort of chips will this game be programmed onto? Eproms? Flash? Were you actually able to get a run of mask roms made?

[Iron Draggon]

Well I think that the new cover art looks way better than the original cover art. Come on now, if that was the actual cover art, you know that you would still be bitching about it!

[Doonzmore]

Well I think that the new cover art looks way better than the original cover art. Come on now, if that was the actual cover art, you know that you would still be bitching about it!

Amen!

[All Things Sega]

Anyone have news on when the game is shipping? I've seen that its been in preorder status for almost an eternity. Says June but has anyone heard anything concrete or spoken with them?

[CMA Death Adder]

I've seen that its been in preorder status for almost an eternity.

I still remember Halo 2 being on pre-order for over 2 years. "It's coming in Septem... err... Dec... uhh... soon enough."


Says June but has anyone heard anything concrete or spoken with them?

I'm "them", and I can confirm that date - late May, just before June.

[Vroomfunkel]

Geez .. if you're so upset about the cover art .. just make your own, for goodness sake! Then you can make it as cool as you like, do whatever jazzy stuff you want, and just stick plug it in front of the real insert. No big deal!

In fact, instead of all this whingeing about it, how about somebody actually goes and does something by coming up with a better version(s). Then they can be hosted online somewhere for all the malcontents to download and print out to soothe their frayed nerves.

[Bronty-2]

Eh. I don't care for it but it's not any worse than the NES color dreams box art. Could almost be the same artist actually!

Good luck with the sales.

[All Things Sega]

Why don't we just create different box art covers and let people decide? This way we can stop the whining going on. I'm actually favoring the old school box art that one of the users created with the black checkerbox look.

[attilathehun]

The cover art piccy looks great, but does this really exist and how much?

[nate1749]

I sold my genesis years ago, but after reading the web site for the game I'm definitely going to buy one again and pre-order this game for it. I'm not even a huge RPG fan, but the story sold me. I can't wait.

Oh and not that it matters, but I like the cover art =) Hopefully this game is an extreme sucess and we can see a sequel!

Nate

[googlefest1]

now that i see this game is closer to actualy comming out i think ill be hoping on the band waggon and ordering one too.

about the cover - i think it may have recived a better response if it was totaly hand drawn on paper and then scaned. I think the sky clashes with everything and the shadows look like an after thought. Looks like short cuts were taken with the software used to create it. BUT - i do think this cover looks way better than the original. I was kind of shocked when i first saw it but im not going to roll over in pain becasue of it. I care more about the game.

[Iron Draggon]

watching my mailbox... wondering when mine will ship...

[drwily008]

watching my mailbox... wondering when mine will ship...

Yup, I can't wait too.

Here is what he said a while back:





Says June but has anyone heard anything concrete or spoken with them?

I'm "them", and I can confirm that date - late May, just before June.

[kainemaxwell]

I'll likely buy this soone ror later, once I see how others enjoy it. :)

[ghsqb]

I've bought mine, and I have to say, I really feel for CMA Death Adder.

These guys do all this work to bring us this game, and let's face it, no ones gonna get rich off this, and at every turn he's getting flamed by a bunch of whiney asshats.

Everyones entiltled to their opinion, but when act like some of the people have in this thread, is it any wonder that more people don't attempt to do something like this?

Talk about thankless!

CMA Death Adder, as someone who has purchased this, THANK YOU for bringing us a new title for the Genesis, and I look forward to seeing mine once they ship.

[kainemaxwell]

Ok, so where's the pic of the box art?

[drewbrim]

Ok, so where's the pic of the box art?
Here
http://dfg.the-underdogs.info/temp/bpbox.jpg

[kainemaxwell]

Ok, so where's the pic of the box art?
Here
http://dfg.the-underdogs.info/temp/bpbox.jpg
Hmm, nice throwback to the old Genesis cart boxes I gotta say.

[Moo Cow]

This sounds pretty cool, actually.

[Buyatari]

Ok, so where's the pic of the box art?
Here
http://dfg.the-underdogs.info/temp/bpbox.jpg

hey the back of the box looks great !!

[Sosage]

Look...I hate to be so blunt about this, but this isn't a situation where someone dislikes a color or doesn't dig the fanime style. The piece on the cover has some genuine technical flaws in perspective, lighting and composition. Couple this with the fact that Beggar Prince was a high profile “homebrew” project receiving some mainstream coverage (tons by some standards) and I can understand why people are a tad upset with the choice of artwork.

The sad part about this thread is that I know this forum has artists lurking on it (I know I'm not the only art student here), yet only one person came close to saying something constructive about the piece in question. Otherwise all ll I see is one side giving out free verbal handjobs to CMA while tsk'ing everyone with an opinion, while those that voice a negative opinion...well...don't have anything beyond “it sucks” to contribute.

If that's the artwork, then that's the artwork. If it is too late to do a revision then two tears in a bucket. I still have my preorder in and I still think that the team behind Beggar Prince seem determined to release a quality Genesis game (what I saw at CGE was pretty cool). They just stuttered in the cover art department.

[Iron Draggon]

watching my mailbox... wondering when mine will ship...

Yup, I can't wait too.

Here is what he said a while back:





Says June but has anyone heard anything concrete or spoken with them?

I'm "them", and I can confirm that date - late May, just before June.

I know, that's why I'm starting to watch my mailbox now. I think they said they would email before they ship. But I'm watching both my mailboxes. Shouldn't be much longer. :D

[Griking]

Oh for Pete's sake! Give them a break. If you don't like the cover and it bothers you that badly then don't buy one. It's not as if this is the first game ouyt there with terrible artwork on the cover (and I don't even think it's that bad). I remember laughing at how bad a cover We (heart) Katamari had but that didn't receive anywhere's near the amount of greif that this cover is getting. How about the original Megaman cover? (that cover did get a lot of greif). For the record and I know that I'm in the minority but I absolutely hate the art style for the Final Fantasy Origins cover and manual. To me it looks like it it was a high school student's art project. The bottom line is that we all have different tastes and opinions. These guys are amateurs, not Nintendo, Give them a break.

[FantasiaWHT]

Oh for Pete's sake! Give them a break. If you don't like the cover and it bothers you that badly then don't buy one. It's not as if this is the first game ouyt there with terrible artwork on the cover (and I don't even think it's that bad). I remember laughing at how bad a cover We (heart) Katamari had but that didn't receive anywhere's near the amount of greif that this cover is getting. How about the original Megaman cover? (that cover did get a lot of greif). For the record and I know that I'm in the minority but I absolutely hate the art style for the Final Fantasy Origins cover and manual. To me it looks like it it was a high school student's art project. The bottom line is that we all have different tastes and opinions. These guys are amateurs, not Nintendo, Give them a break.

Amateurs don't get PAID.

[ghsqb]

Oh for Pete's sake! Give them a break. If you don't like the cover and it bothers you that badly then don't buy one. It's not as if this is the first game ouyt there with terrible artwork on the cover (and I don't even think it's that bad). I remember laughing at how bad a cover We (heart) Katamari had but that didn't receive anywhere's near the amount of greif that this cover is getting. How about the original Megaman cover? (that cover did get a lot of greif). For the record and I know that I'm in the minority but I absolutely hate the art style for the Final Fantasy Origins cover and manual. To me it looks like it it was a high school student's art project. The bottom line is that we all have different tastes and opinions. These guys are amateurs, not Nintendo, Give them a break.

Amateurs don't get PAID.

Really?

Hmmm dictionary.com says:

am·a·teur
n.
One lacking the skill of a professional, as in an art.


Amateurs get paid, unless it's in the context of sport.

Volonteers don't get paid. Amateurs get paid.

[drwily008]

This thread gets bumped every 5 minutes due to 2 things.

#1 - "When is the game coming out?"

#2 - "I do/don't like the art."


CMA Death Adder, all of this free publicity must be sweet! :D

[neotokeo2001]

It's on the way! :D

Got my e-mail:

Hello!

Thank-you very much for your support and patience! We appreciate your order.

I'm excited to announce that your order (Beggar Prince for the Sega Genesis - Megadrive) has been shipped this afternoon (May 22, 2006)! You should receive your order within 3 - 6 days. If you have any questions or comments about your order or the shipment process, please don't hesitate to contact me directly. I'll be more than happy to
respond to any inquiries.

It is very pleasing to be able to serve up a great new game to dedicated Genesis - Megadrive owners such as yourself. Thanks to your support, one of the world's greatest videogame systems will breathe in new life. Have
a great time playing and enjoying Beggar Prince!

And remember... Never let dreams die!

--

- Brandon Cobb
President, Super Fighter Team - www.superfighter.com
"Never let dreams die!"

[NickmasterX]

after reading your post, i checked my email and got the same message! cant wait to play this game.

[CMA Death Adder]

Hello!

It's not just a rumor: Beggar Prince for Sega Genesis - Megadrive is now shipping to pre-order customers! I'd like to thank everyone who placed an order for being patient. Your support is greatly appreciated!

Please check this link for information about the shipping process.

* shipping dates for pre-order customers (http://members.cox.net/superfighter/bp/shipping.htm)

Should you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me via e-mail.

Never let dreams die!

[drwily008]

:bawling: I only ordered mine on 5/08. Oh well, I am really looking foward to it! ;)

[googlefest1]

Ive been looking forward to this release more than any game that i can remeber

this is the first game in 3.5 years that i purchased from launch and paid close to $50 for - i thought that would never happen again

must have been all the hype LOL

[coreycorey2000]

I ordered mine on January 3rd. But I haven't received a confirmation email. Please let me know why.
Thanks

[Logicdustbin]

I ordered mine on January 3rd. But I haven't received a confirmation email. Please let me know why.
Thanks

I haven't got an e-mail yet, either.


perhaps it is part of their quality control:

package, label, e-mail customer...



I'm not too worried, I just can't wait to play :)

[Logicdustbin]

I ordered mine on January 3rd. But I haven't received a confirmation email. Please let me know why.
Thanks

I haven't got an e-mail yet, either.


perhaps it is part of their quality control:

package, label, e-mail customer...



I'm not too worried, I just can't wait to play :)

[Melf]

Apparently, it's already shipped. One of my forum members already got his.

[Melf]

Apparently, it's already shipped. One of my forum members already got his.

[CMA Death Adder]

I ordered mine on January 3rd. But I haven't received a confirmation email. Please let me know why.
Thanks

Are you still actively using the e-mail address "coreycorey2000@yahoo.com"? This is the e-mail address your confirmation was sent to.

In any case, I can personally confirm that I processed and mailed your order on May 22.


I haven't got an e-mail yet, either.

If you provide me with your name, I can search our records and let you know the status of your order. Send me a PM if you like.

[CMA Death Adder]

I ordered mine on January 3rd. But I haven't received a confirmation email. Please let me know why.
Thanks

Are you still actively using the e-mail address "coreycorey2000@yahoo.com"? This is the e-mail address your confirmation was sent to.

In any case, I can personally confirm that I processed and mailed your order on May 22.


I haven't got an e-mail yet, either.

If you provide me with your name, I can search our records and let you know the status of your order. Send me a PM if you like.

[All Things Sega]

For those who have received the game, how does it play? Does it live up to the hype? Curious to play this game, especially since its an original rpg

[All Things Sega]

For those who have received the game, how does it play? Does it live up to the hype? Curious to play this game, especially since its an original rpg

[davepesc]

Got my copy today!!!

Haven't been able to try it out yet, but it looks great.

Thanks for bringing this to us and I hope you're looking to do another.




On the side, what kind of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

[davepesc]

Got my copy today!!!

Haven't been able to try it out yet, but it looks great.

Thanks for bringing this to us and I hope you're looking to do another.




On the side, what kind of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

[anagrama]

On the side, what king of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

I'm pretty sure DeathAdder said they were getting the cases newly manufactured.
Got a pic to illustrate what you mean? (My copy is still en route across the Atlantic ;) ) - your description sounds similar to the cases that a lot of unlicensed/pirate MD games use.

[anagrama]

On the side, what king of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

I'm pretty sure DeathAdder said they were getting the cases newly manufactured.
Got a pic to illustrate what you mean? (My copy is still en route across the Atlantic ;) ) - your description sounds similar to the cases that a lot of unlicensed/pirate MD games use.

[chaoticjelly]

The box arts on a par with the box art on the Wonderboy series of games on the Master System.. well, maybe not as bad as those, but yeah, I could do better

But yeah, major kudos for undertaking the release of this translation, much appreciated..

I'm sure im the most glad here that the pre-order copies are finally shipping LOL when I got the email I was very surprised, and happy..

If anyone knows how to get a template of a cover, and some techniques for transferring hand drawing etc to computer, im all ears, I used to be great at drawing, im a bit rusty now but im sure I could whip something up.. im thinking blue, late-release style Megadrive cover :evil:

[chaoticjelly]

The box arts on a par with the box art on the Wonderboy series of games on the Master System.. well, maybe not as bad as those, but yeah, I could do better

But yeah, major kudos for undertaking the release of this translation, much appreciated..

I'm sure im the most glad here that the pre-order copies are finally shipping LOL when I got the email I was very surprised, and happy..

If anyone knows how to get a template of a cover, and some techniques for transferring hand drawing etc to computer, im all ears, I used to be great at drawing, im a bit rusty now but im sure I could whip something up.. im thinking blue, late-release style Megadrive cover :evil:

[anagrama]

If anyone knows how to get a template of a cover, and some techniques for transferring hand drawing etc to computer, im all ears, I used to be great at drawing, im a bit rusty now but im sure I could whip something up.. im thinking blue, late-release style Megadrive cover :evil:

Heh, I was thinking the same thing ;) Shouldn't be too hard - just a case of finding a suitable cover to scan, then blanking out the non-blue portions and pasting in the new art, then cutting/re-sizing/rotating the logo to paste onto the spine.

[anagrama]

If anyone knows how to get a template of a cover, and some techniques for transferring hand drawing etc to computer, im all ears, I used to be great at drawing, im a bit rusty now but im sure I could whip something up.. im thinking blue, late-release style Megadrive cover :evil:

Heh, I was thinking the same thing ;) Shouldn't be too hard - just a case of finding a suitable cover to scan, then blanking out the non-blue portions and pasting in the new art, then cutting/re-sizing/rotating the logo to paste onto the spine.

[nate1749]

Yeah it will be nice to hear about the game rather than pages about the cover art.

[nate1749]

Yeah it will be nice to hear about the game rather than pages about the cover art.

[CMA Death Adder]

On the side, what kind of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

Everything is brand new, produced special for this release, including the plastic boxes.

Actually, the hardest part of the production was finding a factory to produce the clam-shell plastic boxes. I talked to about 12 factories before I located one that could do it.

[CMA Death Adder]

On the side, what kind of boxes are these? None of my Genny boxes have the grip tabs on the side that opens. Were these standard Megadrive boxes or did you have these made?

Everything is brand new, produced special for this release, including the plastic boxes.

Actually, the hardest part of the production was finding a factory to produce the clam-shell plastic boxes. I talked to about 12 factories before I located one that could do it.

[sega-trader]

I tried using my X-Eye to play the game but it doesn't work. All I get is a black screen and no audio. The same thing you get if you put in a bad cart. The X-eye plays all other games just fine, and my Genesis 2 has no problems with the cart. Is this a known issue, can someone confirm?

[sega-trader]

I tried using my X-Eye to play the game but it doesn't work. All I get is a black screen and no audio. The same thing you get if you put in a bad cart. The X-eye plays all other games just fine, and my Genesis 2 has no problems with the cart. Is this a known issue, can someone confirm?

[Iron Draggon]

HMM... Didn't place my preorder until April 2nd... Oh well, at least I'm still getting it before those who didn't preorder.

Can't wait to check this one out!

(starts stalking the mailman)