DS VS. PSP - Ownage

[classicb]

But why the hell are we arguing over the title anyways? It's just as pointless.

agreed :)

[njiska]

But why the hell are we arguing over the title anyways? It's just as pointless.

agreed :)

Cool. :)

Now on-topic, add Mario Kart, Sonci Rush and Viewtiful Joe to my DS collection. It's still sucking up my money.

[retroman]

Long live the N-GAGE......its still the shit...play the game ONE, and System Rush....

[Zilla]

I own the DS and I havent played it alot mostly due to time constrants and playing mostly NES as of late. I am glad I own it and there have been releases lately that beg to be bought and tried out. As far as the PSP goes I'm sure I'd like it but it seems out of my price range right now and I will probably have to hold off for a long time before I can get my hands on one to enjoy. For me the GBA SP is the way to go. I like the way it looks and the games are cheap and fun and abundant. All in all though when it comes to new systems I find that there is always something I like about each offering and it ends up being price that determines what I get first. Just happens DS won that battle with the PSP in my household.

[classicb]

Long live the N-GAGE......its still the shit...play the game ONE, and System Rush....

well as a fellow N-Gage fanatic i agree. I say play Rifts and High Seize though. Although System Rush is what I always dreamed Tron mixed with F-Zero would be. :) and One is well better than the fighting games for the DS and PSP so far.

[Teknik_SE-R]

sorry.... I've just been tossing the idea around about getting one or the other, and now that the hype is dying down, we can now see the actual system behind the marketing facades.

[goatdan]

I love all these luddites who come up and say ridiculous stuff like "handheld gaming should be simple". Says who?

Apparently, the same people that bitched about Rayman DS not being able to save anywhere you want at any time. From having played quite a bit of Rayman DS lately, I think that argument is about as pointless as people who say that the PSP doesn't have any good games.

It seems on the surface that people want handheld gaming to be simple affairs that you can pick up and play for a minute and then save. But even looking at some of the best releases for the DS so far, they don't play like that. Castlevania, Mario Kart... no option to stop and save in the middle of your adventure / race... yet that isn't a problem. I think in general, gamers need to admit to themselves that a good game is a good game no matter where it is being played, and stop trying to give it more qualities than that.

Having said that, almost EVERYTHING on the PSP is "simpler" than everything on the DS thanks to the fact the DS is using a stylus to do wildly different controls for nearly every game. I don't know why people stating the DS is better cite it as being "simpler" to use. There is definitely more of a learning curve to it.

[WanganRunner]

My girlfriend just picked up my DS today! But I won't get it until xmas.

I already bought Polarium and Feel the Magic, just because they were cheap.

[WanganRunner]

My girlfriend just picked up my DS today! But I won't get it until xmas.

I already bought Polarium and Feel the Magic, just because they were cheap ($10 each at TRU).

I'll be grabbing SM64, Kart, Animal Crossing, Trauma, and Electroplankton the first week I have the system. Can't wait.

[Crazycarl]

my DS list:

Kirby Canvas Curve
Mario 64 DS
Mr. Driller
Sprung (5 bucks)
Ping Pals
Truama Center
Feel the Magic

and then i got my g/f the teal Nintendogs bundle so i'll just add that into mine lol, and zoo keeper.

and as far as the psp vs. DS argument has gone, there is nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. It's been beaten more then the dead horse in the back yard.

[Slate]

I have a DS and PSP, I updated the list again.

DS: 6 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Brain Age
Feel The Magic XY XX
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 3 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix
Pursuit Force


And, here is my "To buy" list:

DS: 3 Games

Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time
The New Super Mario Bros.
Super Princess Peach

PSP: 6 Games

Exi
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
GUN Showdown
Kingdom Of Paradise
Need For Speed Underground Rivals
PoPoLoCrois
Sid Meir's Pirates!
Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix

[FireMillen]

I own a DS and PSP.

DS: 4 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 2 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix


And, here is my "Soon to buy" list:

DS: 0 Games

PSP: 3 Games

Exit
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Pursuit Force

so let me get this straight. you're actually considering NOT buying tetris DS?!?!?! *fallz out*

[Slate]

I own a DS and PSP.

DS: 4 Games

Asphalt Urban GT
Nintendogs Lab Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Warioware: Touched!


PSP: 2 Games

Burnout: Legends
Frantix


And, here is my "Soon to buy" list:

DS: 0 Games

PSP: 3 Games

Exit
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Pursuit Force

so let me get this straight. you're actually considering NOT buying tetris DS?!?!?! *fallz out*

I am not a tetris fan. I didn't even know that there was one coming to the DS...

[segagamer4life]

Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

[njiska]

Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

Fuck there goes more of my hard earned dough. :P

[segagamer4life]

Yeah Tetris ships today, along with Metroid Prime Hunters.... nice. :)

Fuck there goes more of my hard earned dough. :P


lol yeah, but I have to get splinter cell for the psp as well.... damn my wallet is going to hurt this week..LOL

[FullCircle]

I've got 12 DS games and only 1 PSP game.

DS
Animal Crossing
Castlevania
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Nintendogs - all 3
Rub Rabbits
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Trauma Center
Wario War: Touched

PSP
GTA LCS

I don't like the PSP because I've gotta keep the joint of my thumb on the analog stick instead of the tip. If I play with my thumb tip, my tendonitis acts up and my left hand turns into a claw. And I hate having to constantly wipe the damn thing off like the GBA Micro 20th Anniv. Edition.

[FullCircle]

Ooh, I just got a USB cable for the PSP and added some emulators, Doom and Quake! This is great! The DS is still better, though, because Sony never intended to have these games playable on their system.

[Griking]

Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.

[Happy_Dude]

DS games

Wario Ware : touched
Super Mario DS
Polarium
Mr Driller : Drill spirits
Metroid Prime demo

Bought it at launch but haven't really had the money for games.
Now they're hitting the bargain bins I'll be picking up lots more :)

[JJNova]

Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.


Nintendo DS - 16 Million Sold

Sony PSP - Top Secret CIA Information


Sony doesn't release the number for their units sold, so a comparison is not fair. Some analysts claim to make an accurate estimate, and all their numbers vary by a few million.

So no, there is no way to compare these two console until Sony releases sales numbers. And for all we know, Sony might not even track sales numbers.

[Satac]

Any updated sales figures for these two portables?

The PSP has been out long enough now that a comparison would be fair.


Nintendo DS - 16 Million Sold

Sony PSP - Top Secret CIA Information


Sony doesn't release the number for their units sold, so a comparison is not fair. Some analysts claim to make an accurate estimate, and all their numbers vary by a few million.

So no, there is no way to compare these two console until Sony releases sales numbers. And for all we know, Sony might not even track sales numbers.

Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

[Griking]

Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

[Lothars]

Well I think that games like Mega Man X and the other mega man title which the name excapes me, also the Dexter game

there's a couple big releases lately.

[hydr0x]

Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

yeah it's definately not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

[Bronty-2]

Sony mentioned 17 Million shipped PSPs on their E3 conference. But all consoles sitting on the shelves or in warehouses also count as shipped.
Nintendos Phil Harrisson said that the DS sold "millions" of units more. A 50/50 marketshare worldwide should be right.

Honstly I'd be shocked if the percentage was even close to 50/50. It seems like there's always some buzz going on about an original new DS game while I rarely hear a thing about the PSP except for threads asking if there are any good games for it yet. Are there any big games for it other than the recently released GTA?

yeah it's definitely not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

Not only that but I think the only thing keeping it that close is that nintendo hasn't been able to produce more of them. If nintendo had made another 5 or 10 million units I think those would be sold out too.

[petewhitley]

yeah it's definitely not anywhere close to 50/50, of those 17 mio shipped units i'd guess a max of around 12 mio was actually sold. that would be a ~40/60 marketshare. What am i basing this on? well, market observations, official numbers from japan and official numbers of the store chain i work at

Doesn't sound like a real scientific estimate.

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

I have

Feel the magic
Sprung
Contact
Children of mana
Lost Magic
Bomberman
Ridge Racer
Phoenix Wright 1
Trace Memory
Phoenix Wright 2

[cyberfluxor]

Although I only own a DS there is 1 PSP game I have:
Bust-A-Move

Reason: It doesn't appear in stores around here often and Circuit City had them for $9.99 a pop! I'm a huge Bust-A-Move fan and for new $10 isn't bad at all, lets call it a future investment for a game that'd be posbbily difficult to grab later on.

As for DS titles, I own 12 IIRC and don't really need too many because they kill time and there's only so much gaming I do "on the go" and when at home I just play PC or console games.

[CosmicMonkey]

I've been looking into getting a new handheld for the past few weeks. I was interested in a Wonderswan, but there's very few games I want for the system. So I randomly started reading into PSP firmware flashing and PSone emulation. I've completely ignored the console so far, assuming there was nothing but 3D generic shite on it, but it turns out there's more 2D/arcade style gaming than I expected. I have absolutely no interest in the DS, but the PSP is looking absolutely cracking at the moment.

So I'm getting a nice ceramic white PSP and the following games are on the want-list: Darkstalkers, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX, Guilty Gear, Power Stone Collection, Spectral vs Generation (maybe?) and KoF: MI as-and-when it's released. That should do for fighting games for a while! Also Parodius, Gradius, Salamander and Twinbee Portables for some shooting love, both Capcom Classic collections and the Megaman games. Outrun 2 looks good, and I'll probably end up with Metal Slug collection too.

That's more than enough portable gaming to keep me busy for a while. And that's without even starting on PSone games. Einhander FTW.

So for me personally, PSP > DS

[djbeatmongrel]

looking back at this thread i realise i was a little bit of a hypocrite but with reason. i own a psp and ds now and i realized it just took time for the psp to really have some kickass software even though most of them are ports.

heres my list for both systems:

DS(27):
Animal Crossing: Wild World
Break 'Em All
Bust-A-Move DS
Cooking Mama
Dino Master: Dig, Discover, Dual
Electroplankton
Elite Beat Agents
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Golden Nugget Casino DS
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
Magical Starsign
Mario Kart DS
Meteos
Metroid Prime Pinball
Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits
Nanostray
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Justice For All
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Point Blank DS
Puyo POP Fever
Rub Rabbits!, The
Sega Casino
Space Invaders Revolution
Tetris DS
Trace Memory
Trauma Center: Under The Knife
Zoo Keeper

PSP(15):
Bounty Hounds
Bust-A-Move Deluxe
Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower
Exit
Gitaroo Man Lives!
Guilty Gear Judgement
Guilty Gear Judgement(JPN) *it has Slash instead of #Reload on it*
LocoRoco
Lumines
Me and My Katamari
Power Stone Collection
Sid Meier's Pirates!
Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX
Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Ultimate Block Party

[petewhitley]

Having been a PSP advocate since day one, I'm happy to see some of the doubters coming around (I do also own a DS, and must say, I enjoy several titles, though GBA games see more action on mine). With PS1 emulation cracked, you'd really have to be pretty damn stubborn to say the DS offers more bang for your buck at the moment.

[Joker T]

I'm with Pete.

PSP has so many homebrew options that the price isn't an issue.

Even without homebrew your getting near console quality gaming and a damn good music/video player.

[JJNova]

So I'm getting a nice ceramic white PSP and the following games are on the want-list: Darkstalkers, Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX, Guilty Gear, Power Stone Collection, Spectral vs Generation (maybe?) and KoF: MI as-and-when it's released. That should do for fighting games for a while! Also Parodius, Gradius, Salamander and Twinbee Portables for some shooting love, both Capcom Classic collections and the Megaman games. Outrun 2 looks good, and I'll probably end up with Metal Slug collection too.

Hey! I wanted to play some of those games too! I was really excited for them too. Thank goodness people at CinciClassic had PSP's and were really friendly. I din't know any of the people other than Downfall (from this site) that I borrowed a PSP form, but thanks to those people, I realized my expectations were much higher than the gmes provided. ESPECIALLY Megaman Powered Up.

If you can, find someone that you can play those games from firt, they aren't equivalent in quality to their predecessors (when I push up. You go up motherfucker!)

[Griking]

Its a shame that you have to "crack" the psp and play bootleg psx games or homebrews in order to find something worth playing.

And as for the psp providing more bang for the buck, you really can't give Sony credit for that since they're constantly coming out with firmware updates to prevent people from even using the psp for emulators and homebrews.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I have deceided that I will own a PSP, eventually. However, I refuse pay $200-250 for a handheld. PERIOD. I'll wait until I can pick it up new cheap or used cheaper still. The main reason I'm making room for a PSP in my collection is emulation/homebrew and the very few games I own/want for the system. I currently have Gradius Collection, bought at TRU for $10, and Wipeout Pure, bought at Target for $10. I plan on getting Lumines, Every Extend Extra, Loco Roco, Valkyrie Profile and Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. That's 7 games total that interest me in nearly 2 years of releases. Really sad considering the power in that little shiney black case. If we were getting some of them shmups released in JP here stateside (yeah right when anti-2D pigs fly :P ) I'd be more inclined to drop retail on one. If I have to pay through the nose and import my interests then I'll pass.

I have owned a DS for a tad bit over a year and have 40+ games for it and I'm not even caught up with my wants for the system. That's a wide margin that I frankly can't ignore. Owned indeed.

[petewhitley]

I have owned a DS for a tad bit over a year and have 40+ games for it and I'm not even caught up with my wants for the system. That's a wide margin that I frankly can't ignore. Owned indeed.

Don't really see how your owning 40 games on the DS vs. 2 games for a system you don't even have equates to "ownage" ...


"Shake the bottle for MASSIVE DAMAGE!" - Clubhouse Games (NDS) Poking yet more fun at Sony

And for that matter I can't for the life of me figure out how that quote was a stab at Sony. Might as well be a stab at newborn babies, xmas presents, or fish tanks.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Don't really see how your owning 40 games on the DS vs. 2 games for a system you don't even have equates to "ownage".

You've stated before in other threads that my local observations of an individual are not valid. Fine. I get the point that you don't agree with me, but I ask you read it again Pete. I'll reiterate anyways.

It's a shame that the PSP's library isn't better. It speaks less of the hardware and more of the people in charge of selling it. A PSP costs too much for what it offers IMO. If it were $150 rather than $250 I might find myself actually being interested. The DS has it's share of problems most of them are trivial to me but major for others.



And for that matter I can't for the life of me figure out how that quote was a stab at Sony. Might as well be a stab at newborn babies, xmas presents, or fish tanks.

You know where it's from. In the case that you really don't your hint is: Genji for PS3 at E3 2006. It's old and tired. It's been in my sig since the boards upgrade. When someone quotes your sig... it's time for a new sig. :)

Why is it a big deal that DS is beating PSP at market? I'd say irony. The PSP was expected by many to be the death of Nintendo's stronghold handheld market. It obviously wasn't. To it's credit I think the PSP has done better than past handhelds that went up against the many incarnations of the GameBoy (ie NGPC, Game Gear, Lynx and N-gage). Hell if Sony never challenged the DS in the handheld market I don't think Nintendo would have tried so hard to make the DS so attractive in the US market. That could have ment no Brain Age, Tetris, Elite Beat Agents or even 3rd party fair like Cooking Mama.

[petewhitley]

In the case that you really don't your hint is: Genji for PS3 at E3 2006. It's old and tired. It's been in my sig since the boards upgrade. When someone quotes your sig... it's time for a new sig. :)

I think you need a new sig because it's no longer relevant and/or amusing.


To it's credit I think the PSP has done better than past handhelds that went up against the many incarnations of the GameBoy (ie NGPC, Game Gear, Lynx and N-gage).

You don't need to "think" the PSP has done better, you can assuredly "know" it has (simply looking at the installed user base will let you know), as the PSP has been an unparalleled success the likes of which no handheld manufacturer outside of Nintendo has seen. The argument that the PSP is lacking in quality titles is older and less-relevant than the Genji quote, btw.

[jajaja]

I just found out that the PSP had sold more than the DS where i live and its not exactly a small number either. I thought it as the other way around, but apparently the PSP is selling more than the DS here :)

[skaar]

Must be something in the water.

[Leo_A]

I'd like to know how you got the information jajaja, as far as I know Sony and Nintendo don't give out sales data for individual cities or counties. :)

[jajaja]

I'd like to know how you got the information jajaja, as far as I know Sony and Nintendo don't give out sales data for individual cities or counties. :)

Sure, check this site:

http://www.dagbladet.no/weblogg/blog.php/foxhmslf/post/17487

I doubt you can read it, but i'll translate alittle :) The numbers are from some game group/union (dont quite know how to translate) that cooperates with numerous of distrubitors here, so these sale numbers are not from Nintendo or Sony themself. I would think they are pretty accurate. There are also GC, GBA and PS2 numbers there. MS didnt want to give out their numbers so theres no Xbox og 360 in there.

The first graph shows total number of consoles sold since launch. The numbers are updated to 31th December 2006 so January and ½ of February 2007 are not included, but doubt it really effects the numbers much.

The 2nd graph shows total sold handhelds since launch. As you can see PSP got somewhat 71k and DS got somewhat 57k. Again, January and ½ of February 2007 salenumbers are not included. It can be that DS sold like crazy this time room, but i have alittle doubt about that. When PSP had been out for 3 months it had sold just about the same amount of DS units and at that time it had been out for 8 months, only difference was 507 units. The DS didnt exactly get a flying start here like in the rest of the world so that might be one of the main factors why. The price for a DS Lite is ~$208 and the PSP (basepack) is ~$240. Valuepack is probly like $100 more or so.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I think you need a new sig because it's no longer relevant and/or amusing.



You don't need to "think" the PSP has done better, you can assuredly "know" it has (simply looking at the installed user base will let you know), as the PSP has been an unparalleled success the likes of which no handheld manufacturer outside of Nintendo has seen. The argument that the PSP is lacking in quality titles is older and less-relevant than the Genji quote, btw.

So, besides knocking my sig, your splitting hairs over "think" and "know" while paraphrasing my post? I thought you had issue with me, but it seems you just wanted to bait me into some BS tiff where the argument is actually agreement. Well, I'm opting out now 'cause this will go nowhere... and fast. :roll:

[JJNova]

If it makes you feel any better, I think your signature is both entertaining and relevant.

And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

[jajaja]

If it makes you feel any better, I think your signature is both entertaining and relevant.

And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

You can do more with a PSP than a DS straight out of the box. You dont need to mess around with firmware stuff. You do have flashers for DS so if you want to play pirated games you can easaly do it on both systems. The firmware stuff doesnt only allow you to run pirated games, it also opens for homebrew stuff.


which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring.

Can you explain this alittle more?

[petewhitley]

So, besides knocking my sig, your splitting hairs over "think" and "know" while paraphrasing my post? I thought you had issue with me, but it seems you just wanted to bait me into some BS tiff where the argument is actually agreement. Well, I'm opting out now 'cause this will go nowhere... and fast. :roll:

I don't know why you're geting defensive and turning this into some personal war, but I'm only pointing out the common misconceptions and biases that this community often has in regards to the PSP and more specifically, Sony. Your posts in this thread have exemplified those. I don't know you from Adam; don't read anything into it.

[petewhitley]

And as a side note, this might surprise a lot of you (PeteWhitley specifically) but there are gamers that like to involve themselves with this hobby legally, which grossly cuts back the functionality a PSP would bring. Cutting out the firmware hacks leaves us with commercial releases.

Well Sony themselves officially support PS1 emulation on PSP hardware (the crack just enables you to rip ANY PS1 game you choose). And as mentioned here and just about everywhere else for the past year, the PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent, critically-acclaimed games. You certainly don't need to be a pirate to enjoy the PSP.

[JJNova]

You can do more with a PSP than a DS straight out of the box. You dont need to mess around with firmware stuff. You do have flashers for DS so if you want to play pirated games you can easaly do it on both systems. The firmware stuff doesnt only allow you to run pirated games, it also opens for homebrew stuff.
Ok. but the point in my post was legalities. Which means you can't do the firmware stuff. I'm hip to the homebrew scene, and the PSP's actual homebrew GAMES, is very lacking. Fan-games that rip sprites and game mechanics? Yeah, there's lots of those. Emulators and tools so that you can play other games? Yeah they have those. But the homebrew scene for games that are made from the ground up.... definitely lacking. LUA isn't helping that at all, as it's having the effect that BoR did for previous homebrew scenes, leaving us with imitations or "clones" that have very similar gameplay and mechanics, yet the real only difference is an exhange in palette and sprites. That's to explain my comment, which was that if you are going to be just buying a PSP and using what Sony has to offer on it (so that you stay legal), then the functionality (playing games) will get used less. Sorry for not being more clear. Hope you still love me.


Well Sony themselves officially support PS1 emulation on PSP hardware (the crack just enables you to rip ANY PS1 game you choose). And as mentioned here and just about everywhere else for the past year, the PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent, critically-acclaimed games. You certainly don't need to be a pirate to enjoy the PSP.

Yes, Sony backs that you buy and play the Playstation 1 games that they have for distribution through their network. Similar to the Virtual Console games. They do not back officially, or unofficially that you use the emulator for games that you have sitting on your harddrive.

As for the wealth of excellent, and critically acclaimed games, as this board and and just about everywhere else for the past year shows, the minority are interested in them. As a portable gaming device, the PSP fails to deliver (if, like me, you have morals regarding the law). Obviously you'll disagree, so to help prove your point, I've gone to MetaCritic and toiled through every PSP game they have on file. For this study, I will be listing any title that has a cumulative review over 80 points, which according tot he site, means Generally Favorable. Results below.

Socom 2
Ridge Racer
Lumines
Wipeout Pure
Burnout Legends
GTA: LCS
X-Men Legends II
Syphon Filter
Daxter
Tales of Eternia
Outrun 2006 : Coast 2 Coast
Ratchet and Clank Size Matters
Lumines II
Socom Fire Team Bravo II
Sega Genesis Collection
Lego Star Wars II
Winning Eleven Pro Evolution Soccer
GTA : VCS
Pro Evolution Soccer 6
THUG 2 : Remix
Hot Shots Golf : open Tees
Virtual Tennis
Socom : Fire Team Bravo
MLB06 : The Show
Megaman Powered Up
Loco Roco
Final Fantasy VII Advent Children (I know. but it's listed)
Sid Meiers Pirates!
Toca Race Driver 2
Tekken : Dark Resurrection
MGS : Portable Ops
WWE Smackdown! vs RAW 2006
Race Driver 2006


There you go, out of 333 titles, 33 title that got over an 80, zero received 90 or above, 1 out of the 33 is a compilation of old games, 1 is a movie, and 12 Race/Sports games.

[petewhitley]

As for the wealth of excellent, and critically acclaimed games, as this board and and just about everywhere else for the past year shows, the minority are interested in them. As a portable gaming device, the PSP fails to deliver

Well, that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. The success and sales of the PSP in North America would indicate that a significant number of gamers ARE interested in said games.


(a list of 33 critically acclaimed games for the PSP) ...

I don't know how that list supports your theory. THE DS HAS 32 (YES, THIRTY-TWO, ONE LESS THAN 33, AND FOUR OF WHICH ARE MINOR VARIATIONS OF THE SAME GAME) GAMES LISTED ON METACRITIC WITH AN ACCUMULATED SCORE OF 80% OR HIGHER.

Please, everbody: you don't have to like Sony or the PSP, but please don't insult our intelligence anymore by claiming that it has been anything less than a success for BOTH Sony and discerning videogame fans. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

[jajaja]

Ok. but the point in my post was legalities. Which means you can't do the firmware stuff. I'm hip to the homebrew scene, and the PSP's actual homebrew GAMES, is very lacking. Fan-games that rip sprites and game mechanics? Yeah, there's lots of those. Emulators and tools so that you can play other games? Yeah they have those. But the homebrew scene for games that are made from the ground up.... definitely lacking. LUA isn't helping that at all, as it's having the effect that BoR did for previous homebrew scenes, leaving us with imitations or "clones" that have very similar gameplay and mechanics, yet the real only difference is an exhange in palette and sprites. That's to explain my comment, which was that if you are going to be just buying a PSP and using what Sony has to offer on it (so that you stay legal), then the functionality (playing games) will get used less. Sorry for not being more clear. Hope you still love me.

Hey, it was just a straight out question, no rudness too it, so yes, i still love u lol :P But seriously tho, the PSP is a more advance system than DS. Not just with the hardware, but the functions it got. Like you can play movies on it (both UMD and stuff thats on the memstick), go online (i know DS got a online addon tho, but i was thinking more of "out of the box" features), watch pictures etc. etc.

[JJNova]

Please, everbody: you don't have to like Sony or the PSP, but please don't insult our intelligence anymore by claiming that it has been anything less than a success for BOTH Sony and discerning videogame fans. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

I wasn't talking about the DS, so I don't know why you brought it up in response to my comment. Although since you did point it out, I hope you counted the number of DS games that have a cumulative rating of 90 or above to the PSP, since a score that high would actually be a critical sucess.

Also, to help you out and bring in some information (which you never back your claims with) I've gone ahead and researched the success of the PSP by Software Sales and financial standings. Mind you, this doesn't change the general opinion that the PSP's software lineup is quite lacking. These are the U.S. numbers. Remember, that when talking about Sony, it's numbers sold to distributors, not consumers.

Acording to NPD Funworld, in a report dated January 17th, 2007

The PSP unit clocked in 953,200 sold for December, and 6.7 millions sold life-to-date.
PSP software failed to show up in any of the NPD's top ten lists.
The PSP's top-selling game in 2006 was GTA: LCS, a game that was released in October, 2005.
LCS just sold 593,000 during 2006
Hardware sales exceeded software sales in December

To put it in perspective, Gears of War(Xbox 360) Guitar Hero II(PS2) Madden NFL 07(PS2) each sold more copies in December than LCS did all year.

PSP Top 5 for 2006
1. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories - 593,000
2. Madden NFL 07 - 468,000
3. Need for Speed: Most Wanted - 381,000
4. Star Wars Battlefront II - 351,000
5. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo - 312,000

So yes, the hardware is a success, but if I understand you correctly, you're saying the PSP's library of games is so kickass that the consumers mind goes into a locked up mode when tying to decide which high quality title to choose, so they don't buy any. Maybe you are right, maybe the "PSP library now contains a wealth of excellent" games, but I guess they didn't appeal to the consumers last year. Notice, I'm not comparing the PSP to the DS, just showing that there is a lack of compelling software in teh PSP's library.

See, I'm not insulting the intelligence of PSP owners. I'm just passing along information. Critical and financial data support this. Enough already.

[petewhitley]

I wasn't talking about the DS, so I don't know why you brought it up in response to my comment. Although since you did point it out, I hope you counted the number of DS games that have a cumulative rating of 90 or above to the PSP, since a score that high would actually be a critical sucess.

I only brought it up because your entire post was purportedly showing how underachieving the entire PSP library is. When of course in comparison to the DS library, critical acclaim is nearly identical ... Oh, so 90% is the critical cut-off then? Sorry, I just figured since YOU brought up 80% initially it must have meant something. I guess it did before you realized it didn't support your position ...


(JJNova then trots out some apples and some oranges, which somehow show that PSP game sales are lackluster in comparison to tea in China) Notice, I'm not comparing the PSP to the DS ...

Ha ha, yeah, I noticed.

This thread is about the DS and the PSP, and in particular the ingorant claims of Nintendo fanboys who believe that a 33% worldwide (and near 50% U.S.) handheld market share somehow means the PSP is a failure. Why are you comparing PSP game sales to PS2/Xbox 360 game sales? My intelligence is officially insulted. Did you even read what you posted? How did it have anything to do with this thread, or even your poorly thought-out ideas two posts ago?

Ok, ok, ok. You're cool, you're retro, you like ol'skool Nintendo, you don't like those corporate assholes at Sony. I get it. Just stop with these inane, unsubstantiated claims. Quit dropping random sales data you pulled from Joystiq or Kotaku (which does absolutely nothing to support your claims, btw). The PSP is a huge success, so is the DS. They both have great games, and in terms of critical acclaim (by the very standards you introduced, but are now choosing to modify/ignore), are virtually neck-and-neck as of early 2007. I just can't understand why some of you kids are so invested in seeing Sony fail. The sad thing is your bias is keeping you from enjoying the full spectrum of modern gaming.

[JJNova]

Oh, so 90% is the critical cut-off then? Sorry, I just figured since YOU brought up 80% initially it must have meant something. I guess it did before you realized it didn't support your position ...
I never siad 80% was a Critical Success. Read again please.



Why are you comparing PSP game sales to PS2/Xbox 360 game sales? My intelligence is officially insulted.
I see why your intelligence was insulted. The three examples I presented were to highlight the lackluster reception to PSP software. I was comparing the PSP's BEST SELLING TITLE OF 2006 and showing that it didn't sell nearly as many units as the examples did in a single month. If you would of actually read the all of the post, you would of seen that I did not argue that the PSP wasn't selling. I stated that software isn't selling. Go ahead, you can read over it again, it's still posted.


Ok, ok, ok. You're cool, you're retro, you like ol'skool Nintendo, you don't like those corporate assholes at Sony. I get it. Just stop with these inane, unsubstantiated claims. Quit dropping random sales data you pulled from Joystiq or Kotaku (which does absolutely nothing to support your claims, btw). Ok, once again, if you red the post, my information was drawn from NPDFunworld. You can purchase an account to NPD also through their online portal, or purchase the digital distribution in PDF format. As for my claims being unsubstantiated, I would like to point out, I'm the only one presenting information.

PS - I didn't need you to authenticate my coolness. Appreciated though.

[Celestial Avenger]

My PSP was guttertrash until I could install custom firmware on it. Now I'm playing any PS1 game I want, along with Disgaea Portable.

I'll probably sell the rest of the PSP games I have. The Sony marketing campaign for this portable has been absolutely atrocious and insulting. The most recent commerical where the guy is trying to find a lady he wants to screw was the final straw. They showed approximately 0.4 seconds of gameplay in that commercial. I will most likely never purchase a Sony product ever again after the constant slaps in the face I've received from them over the past year.

[Icarus Moonsight]

JJ, even if you nearly agree with him he'll still argue something. Best to just let it lay. This thread needs to cool down anyway. There is obviously other topics to be discussed. Sometime down the road it'll get dug up and it'll be a humorous read. In the meantime, not so much.

[petewhitley]

(doesn't make a lick of sense, and continues claim the fact that PSP games don't sell as much as Madden on the PS2 means something)

Ok, I give up. You keep confusing your opinions with established facts, and your constant backtracking is giving me a headache. I don't know why I expected a guy with "Wii" in his sig to be anything less than a Nintendo fanboy to begin with ...

You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success. This is to be expected, as according to even your latest source, NPDFunworld, the PSP is enjoying a nearly 50% user base in the U.S. amongst handheld gamers.

(If your ego requires that you post again to try to refute this, please for everyone's sake try to make a valid connection between the PSP and the DS. That's what this thread is about. Have a look at the title! For the last time, no one except you is trying to compare the PSP to console systems.)

[ozyr]

Ok, I give up. You keep confusing your opinions with established facts, and your constant backtracking is giving me a headache. I don't know why I expected a guy with "Wii" in his sig to be anything less than a Nintendo fanboy to begin with ...

You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success. This is to be expected, as according to even your latest source, NPDFunworld, the PSP is enjoying a nearly 50% user base in the U.S. amongst handheld gamers.

(If your ego requires that you post again to try to refute this, please for everyone's sake try to make a valid connection between the PSP and the DS. That's what this thread is about. Have a look at the title! For the last time, no one except you is trying to compare the PSP to console systems.)

Man, I hate people that have to resort to the Fan Boy insult. Drop it - it's worn out.

Having just read part of this debate, I see more than enough info that proves the PSP is not a huge success (at least not enough as some believe it to be). Hard to beat facts. No, it's not a failure, but it sure isn't that great.

Ah, why bother though.... everyone has their own opinion on the DS vs PSP. You can't sway either side, and I sure won't try to. I just find it funny and entertaining watching folks have their war of words. Keep it up...

[Rogmeister]

When I first posted about my DS, back in November 2005, I had 3 games. Now I have 8:

Animal Crossing: Wild World
Metroid Prime Pinball
Nintendogs: Dachshund & Friends
New Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64 DS
Super Princess Peach
Yoshi's Island DS
Zoo Keeper

This obviously doesn't count a trio of GBA games I have that I play on my DS. I do not have a PSP, nor do I plan to get one.

[Griking]

You have for several posts failed to make even a semi-convincing case for the PSP being anything less than a substantial financial and critical success.

So what's your convincing case that the PSP is a financial and critical success? I'm sure all of the Sony stock holders would like to hear this.

Oh that's right, it's not just a gaming machine, you can watch movies and listen to music on it too. I suppose that I don't see UMD movies in my local game stores any more because they're flying off the shelves so quickly.

Also, please tell me, what game is out right now that makes made people run out and buy a PSP?

It seems like every time I turn around there's another quirky game for the DS that's causing a buzz. Whether it was Nintendogs, Brain Age, Phoenix Right, Trace Memory, Lost in Blue or one of the Castlevania or Pokemon games people always seem to be talking about DS games. What games are causing a buzz on the PSP right now other than 10 year old PS1 games and other titles that require that you hack your BIOS to play them.

[petewhitley]

So what's your convincing case that the PSP is a financial and critical success? I'm sure all of the Sony stock holders would like to hear this ... Also, please tell me, what game is out right now that makes made people run out and buy a PSP? ... It seems like every time I turn around there's another quirky game for the DS that's causing a buzz.

Jesus Christ. How can someone honestly still say they don't see it? The sales data is out there, the critical opinion is out there, and yet 75% of responses to this thread are of the "there aren't any games for the PSP I want" sort. This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

First, let's look at life-to-date system sales, as of Dec, 31st, 2006:

PSP Hardware Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 6,230,000
America - 9,580,000
Other - 8,890,000
Total - 24,700,000

Nintendo DS Hardware Life-to-Date
Japan - 14,430,000
America - 10,180,000
Other - 11,000,000
Total - 35,610,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 48% market share. Worldwide, the PSP has a 41% market share. Even in Japan, where the Nintendo has supposedly spit on the grave of Sony, the PSP still has a 30% market share.

How, even in your wettest fanboy dreams (and yes, as long as fanboys exist, it will remain a valid complaint) is that a failure, or anything less than a substantial success? You know what, don't answer. I can't stomach any more of these crazed, delusional responses from you Hot Topic t-shirt wearing hipsters who for the most part weren't even of reading age when the NES was released (for the record, I'm pretty sure Griking was, so my apologies to him).

Now let's look at life-to-date software sales, as of Dec. 31st, 2006:

PSP Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 16,800,000
America - 39,400,000
Other - 34,300,000
Total - 90,500,000

Nintendo DS Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 65,200,000
America - 49,550,000
Other - 39,490,000
Total - 154,230,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 44% market share in terms of software. Worldwide, the PSP has a 37% market share in terms of software. Even in Japan, the PSP still has a 20% market share in terms of software (this being perhaps the ONLY statistic that would really shine brightly in favor of the DS). And these numbers must all be considered in light of the fact that the PSP has been marketed and sold as much more than a mere game-playing machine. And yes, many users do in fact use it as such.

Let's now turn our heads to critical acclaim. According to Metacritic, here's a list of how many PSP and DS games have an accumulative score of 90% or more, 80% or more, and 75% or more (choosen as a cut-off as this is where Metacritic themselves differentiate between a "green" game and a "yellow" game in terms of accepted critical acclaim):

PSP Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 0
80%+ - 42
75%+ - 79

DS Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 2
80%+ - 32
75%+ - 48

Now, critical acclaim is a fairly un-scientific factor to begin with, but come now. How on earth can you look at those stats and say that the DS has the more critically acclaimed library? The PSP has 40% more titles that ranked above 75% amongst critics. And 24% more titles that ranked above 80% amongst critics.

Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

[Bronty-2]

Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

I agree with most of your post but if you're going to say that the facts don't support other people's opinions then at least draw valid conclusions from your facts. With respect to "financial success", all you've shown, if your statistics are correct, is that the psp has had some form of limited market share success (even if way below original expectations). Market share is a lot different than financial success... psp could have a 100% market share and still be a huge financial failure if it cost them enough to build it. I don't think they are getting rich off psp... I'm sure they invested a lot into it.

[petewhitley]

With respect to "financial success", all you've shown, if your statistics are correct, is that the psp has had some form of limited market share success (even if way below original expectations). Market share is a lot different than financial success... psp could have a 100% market share and still be a huge financial failure if it cost them enough to build it. I don't think they are getting rich off psp... I'm sure they invested a lot into it.

I don't know that original expectations from Sony were anything less than valid competition for the handheld market, which they've clearly achieved. ("Way below original expectations" is pretty unsubstantiated ...)

But you bring up a good point in regards to terminology. Perhaps instead of "financial success", the success of the PSP in the marketplace could perhaps be better described as "sales success" or something similar. It's still unknown how much profit the PSP has made Sony, despite the clear success it's had in the marketplace.

[petewhitley]

... some double-post glitch ...

[Bronty-2]

I don't know that original expectations from Sony were anything less than valid competition for the handheld market, which they've clearly achieved. ("Way below original expectations" is pretty unsubstantiated ...)

But you bring up a good point in regards to terminology. Perhaps instead of "financial success", the success of the PSP in the marketplace could perhaps be better described as "sales success" or something similar. It's still unknown how much profit the PSP has made Sony, despite the clear success it's had in the marketplace.

I would say that expectations from sony, the media in general, even most consumers was that the psp would dominate, so that's what I mean when I say way below expectations. But you're right, its basically unsubstantiated.

[petewhitley]

I would say that expectations from sony, the media in general, even most consumers was that the psp would dominate, so that's what I mean when I say way below expectations. But you're right, its basically unsubstantiated.

Mmm, could be. I would hope most "in-the-know" folks would see that the Nintendo handheld juggernaut would take more than one generation to beat, lol!

[Griking]

Top 50 Selling Videogames in Japan For the Week of 2/5 - 2/11

01. (PS3, Sega) Virtua Fighter 5 - 48,346 / NEW
02. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 45,897 / 1,004,555
03. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Play - 36,090 / 879,432
04. (NDS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 32,800 / 3,963,712
05. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 29,026 / 4,118,078
06. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 27,519 / 304,113
07. (NDS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise - 26,815 / 185,695
08. (NDS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 26,804 / 106,212
09. (NDS, Marvelous Interactive) Luminous Arc - 25,676 / NEW
10. (PS2, Sega) J-League Pro Soccer 5 - 24,468 / 131,541

11. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. (NDS, Nintendo) Picross DS
13. (NDS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
14. (NDS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Age
16. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
17. (NDS, Nintendo) English Training
18. (NDS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
19. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
20. (NDS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
21. (NDS, Sega) Love+Berry
22. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
23. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker
24. (NDS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
25. (NDS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
26. (NDS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
27. (WII, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. (NDS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
29. (NDS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
30. (NDS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
31. (WII, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
32. (NDS, MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
33. (PSP, EA) Medal of Honor: Heroes
34. (NDS, Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
35. (NDS, Spike) IQ Supply
36. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata
37. (WII, Nintendo) Excite Truck
38. (NDS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
39. (NDS, Atlus) Etrian Odyssey
40. (PS2, Sega) Yakuza
41. (NDS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
42. (NDS, Shogakukan) DS Kageyama Method Electronic Math Drills
43. (WII, Pokemon) Pokémon Battle Revolution
44. (PSP, Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
45. (PS2, Sega) Shining Force EXA
46. (NDS, Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus
47. (PS2, Sega) OutRun2 SP
48. (PS2, Bandai-Namco) Saint Seiya: The Hades
49. (NDS, Square-Enix) Final Fantasy III
50. (NDS, Nintendo) Jet Impulse

PS2 - 7
PSP - 3
PS3 - 1
NDS - 33
WII - 6


This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

Well these are hard numbers that don't just represent my or the members of a retro gaming forum's tastes or buying habits


Gee, what about hardware sales

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 201,298 | 146,192 | 1,104,149 | 15,109,828
3. PSP - 32,175 | 31,216 | 303,113 | 4,835,242

The Hardware sales numbers seem to be a little different from yours.

Source (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142554)


Yeah, the PSP is neck in neck with the DS

I'd be THRILLED if I were a Sony employee or stockholder.

[jajaja]

Do you know how reliable this list is and if its being updated each week? I like to read stats like this :)

EDIT: Seems like they update it each week. Thanks for the link =)

[petewhitley]

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 201,298 | 146,192 | 1,104,149 | 15,109,828
3. PSP - 32,175 | 31,216 | 303,113 | 4,835,242

The Hardware sales numbers seem to be a little different from yours.


Did you even read my post? Or yours? You posted the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers, which aren't any different than the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers I ALREADY POSTED. Oh yeah, and one week's Japanese software sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales worldwide, and specifically in the US.

If you're going to argue, I'd advise you to read what you're posting so you don't look like an ass. You're digging a deeper hole for youself.

Edit: I mean seriously. This is ridiculous. It's so obvious you glanced at the sales data I posted, didn't even really read it, and grabbed whatever recent stuff you could grab off of Google in hopes to refute me. When in reality you posted the same data I had already posted without even trying to analyze it. It's pathetic how you cling to this absurd idea that the PSP isn't successful. Do you have some sort of personal investment in Nintendo? Seriously, it's really pathetic and somewhat bizarre.

[Griking]

Did you even read my post? Or yours? You posted the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers, which aren't any different than the JAPANESE life-to-date sales numbers I ALREADY POSTED. And one week's Japanse sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales.

If you're going to argue, I'd advise you to read what you're posting so you don't look like an ass. You're digging a deeper hole for youself.

Edit: I mean seriously. This is ridiculous. It's so obvious you glanced at the sales data I posted, didn't even really read it, and grabbed whatever recent stuff you could grab off of Google in hopes to refute me. When in reality you posted the same data I had already posted without even trying to analyze it. It's pathetic how you cling to this absurd idea that the PSP isn't successful. Do you have some sort of personal investment in Nintendo? Seriously, it's really pathetic.


Actually it's really not really the same data but it's close. Your data claims a total of 6.2 million PSPs sold in Japan while mine show 4.8. That's about a 30% difference. Your numbers claim a total of 14.4 million DSs sold in Japan while mine show 15.1 million.

Besides, even if the numbers are close enough, what was the figure that I somehow overlooked that showed the critical and financial success as of the PSP?


And one week's Japanse sales data doesn't really mean a whole lot when we're talking life-to-date sales.

So I guess that this week's numbers were an anomaly. Do us all a favor then and link for us the typical numbers. You know, the one that shows more than 5 PSP games and less than 30 DS games in the top 50. Oh, and the amount of times the PSP BIOS hack has been download unfortunately does NOT count as a top selling title :)

But I suppose you'll now try to tell me that software sales don't indicate a console's success.

By the way, why do you always find the need to insult people who disagree with you?

[Bronty-2]

The other thing to keep in mind is that the #s sony publishes are *shipped* numbers while nintendo's are *sold*. Big difference.

[JJNova]

The other thing to keep in mind is that the #s sony publishes are *shipped* numbers while nintendo's are *sold*. Big difference.
Technically, they are sold numbers for Sony also. Except that they are the amount Sony sold to distributors, while Nintendo's are the amount sold to consumers.

[Griking]

Technically, they are sold numbers for Sony also. Except that they are the amount Sony sold to distributors, while Nintendo's are the amount sold to consumers.

And I'm sure we all know that there's a big difference between the two.

[petewhitley]

I could go back and forth with you ad infinitum on this, but you'll never accept fact apparently, so I won't. I will however, repost the definitive answer I gave to the questions of success of the PSP in the marketplace and with critics, as I still cannot believe anyone who actually READS IT would choose to remain as blind to truth as you have. With that I'll leave the discussion, as there's little more I can do than present the cold, hard truth to persaude someone so blinded by corporate devotion. Here's to hoping common sense will ultimately prevail, and you'll leave your Nintendo-shell and allow yourself to enjoy the full-spectrum of modern gaming.



Jesus Christ. How can someone honestly still say they don't see it? The sales data is out there, the critical opinion is out there, and yet 75% of responses to this thread are of the "there aren't any games for the PSP I want" sort. This is a retro-gaming forum, it doesn't represent the gaming status quo, and frankly, no one cares if there are 50 quirky games on the DS you like but none on the PSP you like. It doesn't matter in terms of the widespread financial and critical success of the PSP. Period.

First, let's look at life-to-date system sales, as of Dec, 31st, 2006:

PSP Hardware Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 6,230,000
America - 9,580,000
Other - 8,890,000
Total - 24,700,000

Nintendo DS Hardware Life-to-Date
Japan - 14,430,000
America - 10,180,000
Other - 11,000,000
Total - 35,610,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 48% market share. Worldwide, the PSP has a 41% market share. Even in Japan, where the Nintendo has supposedly spit on the grave of Sony, the PSP still has a 30% market share.

How, even in your wettest fanboy dreams (and yes, as long as fanboys exist, it will remain a valid complaint) is that a failure, or anything less than a substantial success? You know what, don't answer. I can't stomach any more of these crazed, delusional responses from you Hot Topic t-shirt wearing hipsters who for the most part weren't even of reading age when the NES was released (for the record, I'm pretty sure Griking was, so my apologies to him).

Now let's look at life-to-date software sales, as of Dec. 31st, 2006:

PSP Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 16,800,000
America - 39,400,000
Other - 34,300,000
Total - 90,500,000

Nintendo DS Software Sales Life-to-Date
Japan - 65,200,000
America - 49,550,000
Other - 39,490,000
Total - 154,230,000

So, in the U.S., the PSP has a 44% market share in terms of software. Worldwide, the PSP has a 37% market share in terms of software. Even in Japan, the PSP still has a 20% market share in terms of software (this being perhaps the ONLY statistic that would really shine brightly in favor of the DS). And these numbers must all be considered in light of the fact that the PSP has been marketed and sold as much more than a mere game-playing machine. And yes, many users do in fact use it as such.

Let's now turn our heads to critical acclaim. According to Metacritic, here's a list of how many PSP and DS games have an accumulative score of 90% or more, 80% or more, and 75% or more (choosen as a cut-off as this is where Metacritic themselves differentiate between a "green" game and a "yellow" game in terms of accepted critical acclaim):

PSP Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 0
80%+ - 42
75%+ - 79

DS Software with an Accumulative Score of:
90%+ - 2
80%+ - 32
75%+ - 48

Now, critical acclaim is a fairly un-scientific factor to begin with, but come now. How on earth can you look at those stats and say that the DS has the more critically acclaimed library? The PSP has 40% more titles that ranked above 75% amongst critics. And 24% more titles that ranked above 80% amongst critics.

Look in the mirror. You've got egg on your face. The facts don't support your opinions. I'm not telling you to favor the PSP. What I'm telling you is to pull your collective heads out of your assess, quit spreading rumours, lies, and trying to pass off your Nintendo bias as fact, which it SO CLEARLY IS NOT. It may not be the "cool" thing to do, but if you have any interest in truth, you have to admit the PSP has been both a critical and financial success, and it looks like it's going to stay that way for a long time.

[NinjaJoey23]

Hi, I'm new to this discussion. I'll start by saying that I own neither a DS nor a PSP, though I have played both extensively via friends and family members.

My own opinions regarding the matter aside, something quickly came to my attention: petewhitley repeatedly attacks the characters of those he disagrees with (i.e. ad hominem circumstantial) and it is rather distracting and overall detracts from the debate.

Since we're all concerned with numbers and not opinions, it seems that several sets of numbers have been put forth for handheld sales, and all of them have been sourced, except for petewhitley's. Now, if a legitimate source can be provided, then it seems that there is a discrepancy among sources. Though instead of responding to the difference in numbers, namely between the numbers that Griking provided and yours (petewhitley), you reposted the same statistics you'd posted before. Please do not insult our intelligence. We're all experienced forum users and understand how to scroll up.

Also, what can be said for the claim that PSP numbers account for numbers sold to distributors vs DS numbers which account for numbers sold to consumers? It seems for your argument to be compelling that must be addressed.

I own neither of these systems and could care less who's selling more, which is better, etc. I simply enjoy the debate, and am bothered when someone puts forth "undeniable" evidence that is shown to be questionable at best, and then repeats the same said evidence and insults his opponents, instead of offering a truly compelling argument.

The insults do nothing for the debate except make your argument look even weaker.