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Vectorman0
04-22-2006, 01:37 PM
Lets not get too carried away with this, guys.

We don't want to do it so much that when another "vidiots" comes around, the authorities are too worn out to even care.

Bronty-2
04-22-2006, 02:48 PM
Yeah.... better be pretty sure of the facts before going that route. I think you're probably better off going to your own local postal authorities.

kevin_psx
04-22-2006, 05:21 PM
Can I have the number? I found another guy who sells Used games as Reseals.

I opened the two ps2 games and they are damaged. Scratched discs. One has a large gouge in the case. He still insists they are "sealed new". Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
LINK
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=selling2u-half&iid=8273046162

And another. Sells game with "return to warehouse" plastered on the front. Insists they are "sealed". Sure.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=dotcom-sales&iid=8272430713

Nukie
04-22-2006, 06:05 PM
A scratched disc doesn't automatically mean that the game is used. I have bought games from a retail store (read Wal-mart) that were scratched when I opened them. I have seen games come in with gouges in the cases also. (I work for that company... yes yes I know)

Vectorman0
04-22-2006, 06:19 PM
I myself have never had a factory sealed game come with cosmetic damage to the disc, provided it didn't fall out of the tray. I've had faulty discs, but not ones that appear to have been previously opened.

jajaja
04-22-2006, 06:32 PM
If i remember right i bought a factory sealed PS2 game once on Ebay and when i got it the disc was loose inside, no damage tho. So i guess its possible that a disc can recive damage even if its sealed. In this case the seller should send you a new copy. Altho the chances are slim because the disc doesnt have much room to move on and there arent any sharp corners that really could scratch the disc.

Bronty-2
04-22-2006, 06:41 PM
The main thing here that we need to distinguish between people selling resealed items as new when they honestly don't know any better (lots of these folks out there) and those doing the actual resealing with the intent to defraud. There's a big difference in my book.

kevin_psx
04-22-2006, 06:52 PM
I have bought games from a retail store (read Wal-mart) that were scratched when I opened them. I have seen games come in with gouges in the cases also

Yeah but was the White Sticker seal sliced open (as if with a razor blade)??? There's no doubt in my mind. These games were opened & used.

gepeto
04-22-2006, 07:01 PM
$10 says the little fuck is going to do it again, but this time he's going to be sneakier about it. He just didn't cover his tracks well enough. His overall stupidity ultimately lead to his "downfall". :roll:



So yeah....good job guys......for now. *cue thunder and sinister laugh*

I don't think so. Getting busted is a rude awaking. I think what he was doing was a foolish immature act. He probably got over one time and decided to try to run with. thinking that there is no way he was going to get caught.

The real rude awakeing is when he decides to finally grow up and finds that in this world of high tech computers and network his actions will follow him like and haunt him like nobodys business. Employers background checks etc.

If fraud shows up. I know of no employer who would hire someone with that on their record. Every time he hears these words from a potential boss
We need to do a background check. He will shit his pants.

In my lifetime I have personally seen quite a few people get hired and the get personally escorted out the building on the spot because of a background check. There life turned upside down. Then to have to tell your significant other what happened.
If I were him I would be trying to work out a deal pleading and begging for the charges to be dropped.

MachineGex
04-22-2006, 07:40 PM
I think this would make a great article in one of the major gaming magazines. One of them should run a story about this and how the guy got caught, it is pretty amazing.
Anyone care to send it in to them or better yet know anyone who works for one?

scorch56
04-22-2006, 07:42 PM
I think I saw his wanted picture on a box of Saran Wrap.

Now THAT'S funny! (.. and I get the 'joke" too, but one would think that the Saran Wrap people MIGHT be the ones to bail him out).

ROFL

Rev. Link
04-22-2006, 09:21 PM
I've been keeping track of this thread for some time now, but I haven't felt the need to post before. If this is all for real and this guy really has been arrested for fraud, then I applaud you all for caring enough to have something done about this.

Vectorman0
04-22-2006, 09:52 PM
I think this would make a great article in one of the major gaming magazines. One of them should run a story about this and how the guy got caught, it is pretty amazing.
Anyone care to send it in to them or better yet know anyone who works for one?

No, DP doesn't need the attention.

MachineGex
04-22-2006, 10:08 PM
Not talking about DP, talking about him getting arrested after he sold dozens of high priced games that were shrinkwrapped. Absolutely no reason to mention who got him arrested, just the fact that he did what he did and got caught. I also think it would serve as a reminder to others who re-shrinkwrap. It would be a good article and I am sure other video game players/collectors would find it interesting.

wcmiker
04-23-2006, 04:08 AM
Can I have the number? I found another guy who sells Used games as Reseals.

I opened the two ps2 games and they are damaged. Scratched discs. One has a large gouge in the case. He still insists they are "sealed new". Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
LINK
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=selling2u-half&iid=8273046162

And another. Sells game with "return to warehouse" plastered on the front. Insists they are "sealed". Sure.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=dotcom-sales&iid=8272430713

I don't think you should report that to the authorities. As bronty mentioned, there should be a distinction between those sellers who do not know any better as opposed to those who purposely defraud. Additionally, I think there should be a distinction between something like sealed NES games and sealed PS2 games: sealed NES games can be worth hundreds of dollars more while those PS2 games you bought are worth perhaps a few bucks more sealed. Now that I think about it, I would be upset if you called that guy because of this. You would be wasting his time and he would be less receptive if one were to contact him with information on a big scammer again.

kevin_psx
04-23-2006, 06:33 AM
Okay.

Buyatari
04-23-2006, 11:22 AM
I think this is a great idea. If the author contacts the judge then the judge might be a little bit more aware of how serious this is. Also if the judge knows the results of the case (along with his name) will be published he is less likely to slap this kids wrist and might give him a harsher settence and demand repayment to all those he defrauded.


I think this would make a great article in one of the major gaming magazines. One of them should run a story about this and how the guy got caught, it is pretty amazing.
Anyone care to send it in to them or better yet know anyone who works for one?

NintendoMan
04-23-2006, 12:56 PM
Alright, this may be a stupid question, but did he get in trouble for selling re-sealed games, or using someone else's name for shipping purposes??

Reading through this there are mixed words that make me think both things. THANKS!

jajaja
04-23-2006, 01:27 PM
Alright, this may be a stupid question, but did he get in trouble for selling re-sealed games, or using someone else's name for shipping purposes??

Reading through this there are mixed words that make me think both things. THANKS!

Re-sealing. He mentioned himself on page 9.


Within the jurisdiction of this court, with the purpose to defraud another, utter numerous video game cartridges so that it appeared to have value because of antiquity, rarity, source, or authorship which the video game cartridges did not possess, specifically by buying used video game cartridges, repackaging the cartridges and selling them as new or collectable over eBay, in violation of N.J.S. 2C:21-2.

You are hereby summoned to appear before this court to answer this complaint. If you fail to appear on the date and at the time stated, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

Mr.Faxanadu
04-24-2006, 09:52 AM
Do you guys find that the sealed NES market has taken a small dip due to this guy ??? I know it's tough to state that this one guy’s release of approximately 30 (?) fake games can cause the entire market to go down but I’ve been noticing that a lot of sealed NES games are selling for quite a bit cheaper these days. In fact, a couple auctions have been so cheap that I decided to pick them up! For example, SMB2 for about $100 !! in GEM MINT condition.

I’ve been keeping track of sealed NES auctions for some time now and these are the lowest prices I’ve seen in some time.

Thoughts ???

jajaja
04-24-2006, 10:29 AM
Do you guys find that the sealed NES market has taken a small dip due to this guy ??? I know it's tough to state that this one guy’s release of approximately 30 (?) fake games can cause the entire market to go down but I’ve been noticing that a lot of sealed NES games are selling for quite a bit cheaper these days. In fact, a couple auctions have been so cheap that I decided to pick them up! For example, SMB2 for about $100 !! in GEM MINT condition.

I’ve been keeping track of sealed NES auctions for some time now and these are the lowest prices I’ve seen in some time.

Thoughts ???

How much does SMB2 sealed usualy goes for? I dont look for sealed games, but i saw one copy on ebay about a year ago for around $130.

Mr.Faxanadu
04-24-2006, 11:05 AM
Last year they would hover around 200 or so. I've seen them as high as $350. I've never seen one IN MINT cond go for $100.

Recently a SMB3 in good cond went for only $69 (pretty low)

I'm not saying the market is CRASHING! it's just that recent auction wins have been on the lower side of the price scale.

Bronty-2
04-24-2006, 11:16 AM
Last year they would hover around 200 or so. I've seen them as high as $350. I've never seen one IN MINT cond go for $100.

Recently a SMB3 in good cond went for only $69 (pretty low)

I'm not saying the market is CRASHING! it's just that recent auction wins have been on the lower side of the price scale.

Prices are the low side right now, yep. Although I don't think smb2 is a good example. A couple years ago they were only 75-90 or so. The 350 auction was just someone being a complete idiot. Very much an isolated incident.

But I think the reason has nothing to do with this guy - resealers have come and gone many times before. It has more to do with a few long time collectors taking a break..

kainemaxwell
04-24-2006, 03:02 PM
Hmm, might partially explain how I got a sealed copy of NES Micro Machines for $9.99 recently on ebay.

Will show pics later.

Bronty-2
04-24-2006, 03:38 PM
not really. anything put out by camerica is super common sealed, although MM is a better title so would expect more like $20 than $10. Still, that seller (I know the one you must have bought from, starts with a 's' right?) doesn't have the right keywords in his auctions so they sometimes go cheap.

camerica are basically the same people that put out the aladdin games and you know how common those are to find new. I see all of those camerica titles, all of the time. That company must have produced way more than they sold.. hence the aladdin/camerica stuff that everywhere still sealed.

That said, MM is such a sweet game that you really can't go wrong for $10 for a sealed copy.

kainemaxwell
04-24-2006, 03:57 PM
That said, MM is such a sweet game that you really can't go wrong for $10 for a sealed copy.
Thanks. Yeah, seller is sterlinggift.

NintendoMan
04-24-2006, 04:09 PM
Do you guys find that the sealed NES market has taken a small dip due to this guy ??? I know it's tough to state that this one guy’s release of approximately 30 (?) fake games can cause the entire market to go down but I’ve been noticing that a lot of sealed NES games are selling for quite a bit cheaper these days. In fact, a couple auctions have been so cheap that I decided to pick them up! For example, SMB2 for about $100 !! in GEM MINT condition.

I’ve been keeping track of sealed NES auctions for some time now and these are the lowest prices I’ve seen in some time.

Thoughts ???

Yeah, as there has been threads before on here about this, it's just certain times of the year that things sell alot better than they do at other times. I know for a FACT, that sealed games sell better during the winter months than they do during the summer months!
I have to say that for some odd reason, I always have more spending money during the winter months and usually spend it all. So when summer comes along, I have no extra money to throw at sealed games on ebay. I have had to pass on many many great sealed games because of low funds. (I plan on that changing this summer though because I just got a new job)

But anyways, yes, i too noticed the drop in sealed games lately. For the SMB2, I think that's a great deal. Sometimes they do sell upwards of the 200 mark. I havnet really seen one sell lower then 100 lately. That's not to say that there hasn't been any though, I might have just missed it.

Mr.Faxanadu
04-25-2006, 01:54 PM
Do you guys find that the sealed NES market has taken a small dip due to this guy ??? I know it's tough to state that this one guy’s release of approximately 30 (?) fake games can cause the entire market to go down but I’ve been noticing that a lot of sealed NES games are selling for quite a bit cheaper these days. In fact, a couple auctions have been so cheap that I decided to pick them up! For example, SMB2 for about $100 !! in GEM MINT condition.

I’ve been keeping track of sealed NES auctions for some time now and these are the lowest prices I’ve seen in some time.

Thoughts ???

Yeah, as there has been threads before on here about this, it's just certain times of the year that things sell alot better than they do at other times. I know for a FACT, that sealed games sell better during the winter months than they do during the summer months!
I have to say that for some odd reason, I always have more spending money during the winter months and usually spend it all. So when summer comes along, I have no extra money to throw at sealed games on ebay. I have had to pass on many many great sealed games because of low funds. (I plan on that changing this summer though because I just got a new job)

But anyways, yes, i too noticed the drop in sealed games lately. For the SMB2, I think that's a great deal. Sometimes they do sell upwards of the 200 mark. I havnet really seen one sell lower then 100 lately. That's not to say that there hasn't been any though, I might have just missed it.

Ya, I guess it’s just a slow time for sealed games right now. Although, I’ve also noticed that several recent auctions would state that their game is 100% guaranteed authentic and If it could be proven that the seal was a fake there would be a full refund etc…

I’ve never really noticed this before.

I know that this small input of fake games is not going to kill the market! Probably a slow time as you guys have suggested.

MarkMan
04-27-2006, 06:58 AM
Thread of the year. Awesome job guys in bringing justice to this world!

rbudrick
05-04-2006, 05:54 PM
Congrats, everyone...just caught this thread, since I don't go in the ebay forum much. Excellent work. A secret forum for invitees only for future events like this, as someone mentioned, is a great idea.

-Rob

evil_genius
05-04-2006, 06:46 PM
omfg!!11 pwned

GrandAmChandler
05-14-2006, 01:21 AM
Vididiots is no longer welcome here on DP. Scamming in general is just bad news, especially the classic gaming community.

I commend everyone in their efforts to bring this guy down.

Buyer Beware, vididiots, as many have pointed out, has been on various forums including NES World as well as RF Generation, and several other videogame forums and has been known to post under various aliases such as:

vididiots
nick333
donbills
burnambill333
mister_slug

(Various myspace.com and other information about this guy is obviously throughout this thread if you need to do more research)

Remember guys and gals, this won't be the last time you will see a scammer in the classic gaming community, if you have suspicion, feel free to PM a Mod or an Admin with your concern. Just remember, just because it says it's sealed, new, doesn't mean it is original.

-GAC-

kentuckyfried
05-14-2006, 04:19 AM
I was wondering why NM didn't post in the Introduce Yourself thread ;)

jajaja
05-14-2006, 04:54 AM
The scammer claimed he notified the moderators here that he was back, is that true? He said this on NESWORLD:


And for the record, I did alert the moderators of DP about my idenity.

Mayhem
05-14-2006, 07:19 AM
Oh indeed he did. We just don't tolerate scammers like this full stop on DP. So out he went.

jajaja
05-14-2006, 07:23 AM
Ok. Well.. thats 1 good sign atleast, that he did that. He didnt do it over at NESWORLD tho, only after he got exposed.

Buyatari
05-14-2006, 11:19 AM
DP stands for Digital Press and Double Post

Buyatari
05-14-2006, 11:20 AM
We really need a special forum that people who just sign up for can't view. One that you need to be invited to join to discuss this exact thing. Should something like this come up again all parties involved should be directed there.


Vididiots is no longer welcome here on DP. Scamming in general is just bad news, especially the classic gaming community.

I commend everyone in their efforts to bring this guy down.

Buyer Beware, vididiots, as many have pointed out, has been on various forums including NES World as well as RF Generation, and several other videogame forums and has been known to post under various aliases such as:

vididiots
nick333
donbills
burnambill333
mister_slug

(Various myspace.com and other information about this guy is obviously throughout this thread if you need to do more research)

Remember guys and gals, this won't be the last time you will see a scammer in the classic gaming community, if you have suspicion, feel free to PM a Mod or an Admin with your concern. Just remember, just because it says it's sealed, new, doesn't mean it is original.

-GAC-

Griking
05-14-2006, 12:37 PM
We really need a special forum that people who just sign up for can't view. One that you need to be invited to join to discuss this exact thing. Should something like this come up again all parties involved should be directed there.

I've always felt that this forum and the buying and selling one should be "by invite only", by recommendation by another forum member or only after you get a certain amount of posts here. This would prevent a lot of the scammers and spammers from advertising here. It shouldn't be that hard to do, isn't the pub a forum that you don't get access to by default?

Sniderman
05-14-2006, 02:36 PM
I've always felt that this forum and the buying and selling one should be "by invite only", by recommendation by another forum member or only after you get a certain amount of posts here.

Sadly, we've also seen longtime, and supposedly trusted, DP members take the Dark Path. I fear this suggestion - though it has merit - just wouldn't work. After all, for the sake of argument, if *I* decided to scam you all, I daresay I'd be able to rack up $1,000 or more within a week. I am a longtime member, have a shitload of posts, am (I hope) very well-trusted, and have a spotless buying/trading record. But if I was to get a hair up my ass, I could easily exploit everyone here. My rep would be forever shot and I'd never be able to show my face here - or pretty much anyplace vidgame-related - ever, ever again. But it would be oh-so-simple.

This is why an "invite only" B&S forum wouldn't work. *Anyone* could potentially scam at anytime.

tylerwillis
05-14-2006, 04:09 PM
I've always felt that this forum and the buying and selling one should be "by invite only", by recommendation by another forum member or only after you get a certain amount of posts here.

Sadly, we've also seen longtime, and supposedly trusted, DP members take the Dark Path. I fear this suggestion - though it has merit - just wouldn't work. After all, for the sake of argument, if *I* decided to scam you all, I daresay I'd be able to rack up $1,000 or more within a week. I am a longtime member, have a shitload of posts, am (I hope) very well-trusted, and have a spotless buying/trading record. But if I was to get a hair up my ass, I could easily exploit everyone here. My rep would be forever shot and I'd never be able to show my face here - or pretty much anyplace vidgame-related - ever, ever again. But it would be oh-so-simple.

This is why an "invite only" B&S forum wouldn't work. *Anyone* could potentially scam at anytime.

This is true, but the point is that it would require more work/time that most fly-by-night scammers would want to trouble themselves with.

Nukie
05-14-2006, 05:58 PM
But at the same time, if you made the B&S forums by invite only, some people who don't post a lot or aren't very active, or in my case newer to the online collecting world would miss out on some good deals to help them collect. People might also miss out on the stuff they had to offer as well.

Griking
05-15-2006, 08:55 AM
But at the same time, if you made the B&S forums by invite only, some people who don't post a lot or aren't very active, or in my case newer to the online collecting world would miss out on some good deals to help them collect. People might also miss out on the stuff they had to offer as well.

I'm sure that it would be possible to give everyone the ability to read (and therefore buy) but only certain people the ability to post. If not I'm sorry to say that some people may be unfairly excluded. Raising the post count and becoming a regular would resolve that issue eventually though.

Buyatari
05-15-2006, 11:03 AM
This is why an "invite only" B&S forum wouldn't work. *Anyone* could potentially scam at anytime.

I am not suggesting an invite only b&s section. I am suggesting an invite only scammer section on a case per case basis.

So if you started to scam an ivite would be slowly passed to all who posted about you on DP . A section you wouldn't be privy to.

Griking
05-16-2006, 12:34 AM
This is why an "invite only" B&S forum wouldn't work. *Anyone* could potentially scam at anytime.

I am not suggesting an invite only b&s section. I am suggesting an invite only scammer section on a case per case basis.

So if you started to scam an ivite would be slowly passed to all who posted about you on DP . A section you wouldn't be privy to.

I disagree about that entirely. I think it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the people here to have the power to label someone as a scammer and then prevent that from being able to defend themself. In fact, I actually like to see the subject of some of the posts here visit the forums here and post in their defense.

kevin_psx
05-16-2006, 07:37 AM
For once I agree with Griking. You can't decide anything if you only hear one side of the argument. You need to hear both the buyers' claim of scamming & also the seller's defense.

Else someone might say "Mr. _____ scammed me" just purely for hate & to damage that person's sales amongst the gaming community.

Griking
05-16-2006, 08:34 AM
Everyone should have the right to defend themsellves. And in the case where there really are scammers their threads are at least usually entertaining.

shoes23
10-08-2006, 05:30 AM
Just got done reading the entire story here and over at NESworld. I usually don't browse the Everything Ebay forum, but I decided that I should now probably check the blacklist for questionable sellers, and the last post made on Sept. 9, 2006 (made by Arcade Antics) refers to this guy again! Some people never learn. Anyone thinking that he was remorsful for what he has done is wrong.

MachineGex
10-11-2006, 10:34 AM
By looking at his auctions, I would never deal with him.
It appears to me he is trying to build up his feedback fast and....
...if he isn't re-sealing, why is he buying this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50955&item=200005158446
And...he is still selling (re?)sealed games, this one went for a nice sum:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=150029339860
Sure would stop me from bidding.

Hounder
10-11-2006, 10:54 AM
I do know for a fact that he had more than one legit sealed copy of that Zelda game. He bought one off ebay a while back and upgraded his I guess. Looks like this was his extra. Not sure why he's buying the shrinkwrap. I do know he shrinkwraps most of his rarer titles for protection which I've recently come to find out that some collector's do this.

He does have other auctions up in where he states it's a reseal. They are not to hard to spot or see. I'm in no way condoning what he did but perhaps some should research it out first before jumping to conclusions again. None of us know for sure whether or not he's selling non-legit sealed games as "factory sealed". At least I haven't seen any of his auctions as so in the past recently or since he's been caught.

Vectorman0
10-11-2006, 11:07 AM
Don't forget to mention that 1/3 of his feedback is from the sale of ebooks. That makes him look extremely suspicious, even though he doesn't seem to have any reseals in his feedback at the moment.

/b/tard
10-13-2006, 12:16 AM
You guys are STILL talking about this guy? @_@

GrandAmChandler
10-13-2006, 09:10 AM
You guys are STILL talking about this guy? @_@

Yes we are Nick Morgan, Yes we are.

FYI: Don't deal with /b/tard or bananaphone812. They are vididiots, aka Nick Morgan.

-GAC-

Also, Nick Morgan recently purchased a shrinkwrap machine under a different eBay user name that he created sololy for purchasing said machine.'

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50955&item=140020377188

Scum of the Earth.

Darth Sensei
10-13-2006, 09:14 AM
Someone has to say it again.



http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~cojofl/pictures/pwned.jpg

GrandAmChandler
12-14-2006, 08:47 AM
Bumping this for good measure people. Vididiots uses a new account. ServiceGames812 on Ebay

http://www.shapesinteractive.com/ps3/9.JPG

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZservicegames812QQhtZ-1

DO NOT BUY FROM HIM! HE IS NOW DABBLING IN BOOTLEG DVDS!!!

-GAC

mills
12-14-2006, 02:01 PM
what the hell? He looks like he hasn't broken puberty yet.

Kejoriv
12-14-2006, 02:26 PM
what the hell? He looks like he hasn't broken puberty yet.

His testes should be dropping soon.

s1lence
12-14-2006, 02:38 PM
He is still selling a ton of crap too. Those Ren and Stimpy DVD's sure look real...lol.

racecar
12-14-2006, 02:41 PM
GOOD job people
-NOW lets try to BRING DOWN JAPHEI aka casey mcmahon
this jack ass is base out of florida

Bronty-2
12-14-2006, 07:03 PM
what the hell? He looks like he hasn't broken puberty yet.

lol I didn't want to be the first to say it, but I was definitely thinking it. Dude's 18? Looks 12.

Darth Vader
12-14-2006, 07:05 PM
His cash was good to me when he paid nearly $800 for a cart only Stadium Events in spring. I didn't know this dude was that young.

Danny

Bassgrabber
12-19-2006, 12:49 AM
whooops... check out jandmservices item 330063834456

Cheap stuff up, but does it look resealed to anyone else?

8bitnes
12-21-2006, 05:05 PM
It only figures that Nick Morgan is only a kid. This validates the photo presented above.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1547688/20061211/index.jhtml

8-bitNesMan
12-22-2006, 09:28 PM
You guys have broke this poor kid down where he's forced to sell pages out of old magazines to make ends meet. :)

Damaramu
12-22-2006, 10:25 PM
He deserves much, much worse than that.

jpark203
12-23-2006, 12:37 AM
You guys have broke this poor kid down where he's forced to sell pages out of old magazines to make ends meet. :)
Sad thing is they're not even that. He prints them out on photo paper. I asked him if he printed them himself, and he flat out told me something like, "Yes, and they look damned good on glossy photo paper too."

Ed Oscuro
12-24-2006, 11:38 PM
DP stands for Digital Press and Double Post
Also double penetration, which happened to our good friend