Golden NWC cart:real value of it

[sivarto]

I would appreciate advice from long time nintendo collectors about the real value of this cart.
I'm negotiating to buy one from a reliable source right now and I remember the price was about $4000 or 5000 but will listen to any good advice.
Of course I'm not talking about the more common silver one(worth about $1000 or 2000 in my experience) but the more rare golden one.

[DeputyMoniker]

Well, with as desirable, rare, & hard to find as they are its worth the combination of two things. Whats youre willing to pay and what theyre willing to take. If I had $5k to spend on it I'd do my BEST to talk him down but if it came down to it Id still pay the $5k. In my opinion, if they want $5k it doesnt exactly sound like theyre asking more than its worth. Id say buy it & consider yourself lucky.

I've only been collecting for a couple years so your question wasnt really directed at me. There are people here who can speak from far more experience than I have but in my personal opinion, not many people will have the money and oportunity to obtain one of them. What # of cart is it?

[ghsqb]

There was a thread where this came up just a week or two ago.

A member here had floated one for sale and received one offer at 12k and onther at 15k.

Neither deal was accepted, so who knows if the offers were sincere, but at the end of the day, the lesson is it's worth what someone will pay, and in that case it seems that someone was willing to pay 15k

[ghsqb]

In fact, the thread is now just three below yours, its the one titled whats the most money a game has ever fetched.

[sivarto]

There was a thread where this came up just a week or two ago.

A member here had floated one for sale and received one offer at 12k and onther at 15k.

Neither deal was accepted, so who knows if the offers were sincere, but at the end of the day, the lesson is it's worth what someone will pay, and in that case it seems that someone was willing to pay 15k


Yeah I know but those prices are totally fantasyland.
If another gold cart was to pop up on ebay,it would close for $4000 or 5000 like the ones that were offered for sale.
There are at least 26 gold carts floating around,so basically the price should go down even more if 2 of them were on the market at the same time.
My idea,i.e.,is that there are not even 15 people ready to pay $5000 or more for that cart but just very few.

Anyway still considering suggestions before making my final offer to the seller.

[omnedon]

I don't see much of 'fantasyland' difference between $4000 and $12000.

Both are major dollars for a collectible. There is no 'real' answer to this sort of thing IMO. It's actually pretty much a personal decision, which would be different for everyone.

Myself, for example, would never pay more than $100 for any Nintendo game. LOL And I have an NTF2 cart!

Rare SMS games though, who knows what I might do, I Loooove the SMS, so again, it's personal, see?


Good Luck with your negotiations! I hope you can get your grail and be happy with it!

[portnoyd]

Yeah I know but those prices are totally fantasyland.
If another gold cart was to pop up on ebay,it would close for $4000 or 5000 like the ones that were offered for sale.
There are at least 26 gold carts floating around,so basically the price should go down even more if 2 of them were on the market at the same time.
My idea,i.e.,is that there are not even 15 people ready to pay $5000 or more for that cart but just very few.

Anyway still considering suggestions before making my final offer to the seller.

I'd be ready to pay $5000 for a gold, if I had the money.

Let me put it to you this way: people have paid more than $5000 for a gold (as much as $7500), but people have also paid less than $4000 for a gold (as low as $3000, in recent years). Your price range is ballpark.

[jajaja]

I also remember the offer on $12,000. I dont think there are many that actually have the money and are willing to pay this much for 1 game. So it looked like a one time offer.

[sivarto]

I'd be ready to pay $5000 for a gold, if I had the money.

Let me put it to you this way: people have paid more than $5000 for a gold (as much as $7500), but people have also paid less than $4000 for a gold (as low as $3000, in recent years). Your price range is ballpark.

That's my view as well,based on PAID-actually paid prices.

I mean,if you really pay more and more than $5000for it,you are being ripped off big time in my opinion since there are not one or 5 pieces but 26 at least around of it and other owners paid way less for them.
It is like you were about to buy a silver one for $3000...way too much and real p rice for it is way less....and of course someone tried tio sell silver ones for that amount in the past...no bids at all of course.

[Jumpman Jr.]

there are not even 15 people ready to pay $5000 or more for that cart but just very few.

Well, I'd be willing too :D. I'm sure there's a few people on this board who'd do the same as me too.
I think that if you can get it off of the seller for $5000 or less, you'd be laughin. The game is one of the ultimate holy grails of video game collecting, so just owning it is a piece of history.
Good luck with you buy.

[Player-2]

I sold a gold NWC afew years ago for $5000. It had a bad label and a crack on the back...but still looked great. The one I have now is in great shape...and I wouldn't even consider anything under $15,000 for it. It would be virtually impossible to replace. I think $5000 for a gold NWC is a steal.

[sivarto]

there are not even 15 people ready to pay $5000 or more for that cart but just very few.

Well, I'd be willing too :D. I'm sure there's a few people on this board who'd do the same as me too.
I think that if you can get it off of the seller for $5000 or less, you'd be laughin. The game is one of the ultimate holy grails of video game collecting, so just owning it is a piece of history.
Good luck with you buy.

Well,I 'm wondering then where were all these "few people" when the cart popped up on ebay and barely fetched $3000 or 4000.
The seller may ask whatever he wants but UNTIL he doesn't get a sale,he is not even a seller.
And if another gold cart will be on ebay,you will see the bidding won't reach the price some collectors are mentioning or asking here.

Also,wondering when chips inside stop working and the cart will be faulty how much that will affect the value of it.

[JJNova]

Well,I 'm wondering then where were all these "few people" when the cart popped up on ebay and barely fetched $3000 or 4000.
The seller may ask whatever he wants but UNTIL he doesn't get a sale,he is not even a seller.
And if another gold cart will be on ebay,you will see the bidding won't reach the price some collectors are mentioning or asking here.


If you already knew the answer you were going to accept (the one you had in your head) then why did you bother making a thread claiming to want collectors opinions? Don't bother asking how much one of us would pay for it, or what value we consider the cart to have, instead just go ahead with what you "figured" it would fetch and keep scouring eBay so that you can feel as if eBay is the perfect reflection of the collecting scene (in any hobby).

kthx. bye.

[Moo Cow]

there are not even 15 people ready to pay $5000 or more for that cart but just very few.

Well, I'd be willing too :D. I'm sure there's a few people on this board who'd do the same as me too.
I think that if you can get it off of the seller for $5000 or less, you'd be laughin. The game is one of the ultimate holy grails of video game collecting, so just owning it is a piece of history.
Good luck with you buy.

Well,I 'm wondering then where were all these "few people" when the cart popped up on ebay and barely fetched $3000 or 4000.
The seller may ask whatever he wants but UNTIL he doesn't get a sale,he is not even a seller.
And if another gold cart will be on ebay,you will see the bidding won't reach the price some collectors are mentioning or asking here.

Also,wondering when chips inside stop working and the cart will be faulty how much that will affect the value of it.

We said we'd pay that much...you're assuming though that we all have the money to pay that much. I'd do it. However, I don't have a couple of thousand bucks laying around. If I did, I'd buy it.

[DreamTR]

I had 6 of the gold carts at the time, and I know how much I sold them for, and where they went, and who they were traded to. Ranged from $1500 and loads of rares back in 1999 to $6500 3 years ago.

There are 2 within 11 miles of me right now. One of them is minter than any of the gold carts I have ever seen. It is basically almost untouched, and I would never consider selling it.....

[kentuckyfried]

I had 6 of the gold carts at the time, and I know how much I sold them for, and where they went, and who they were traded to. Ranged from $1500 and loads of rares back in 1999 to $6500 3 years ago.

There are 2 within 11 miles of me right now. One of them is minter than any of the gold carts I have ever seen. It is basically almost untouched, and I would never consider selling it.....

For a rare game, there seems to be alot of movement in ownership, making it seem like it's always available, and that there are many, many copies out there ;)

I'm just waiting for someone to pick one up at a garage sale for a buck (if there's any copies unaccounted for) and to relay the info back here :D

[DreamTR]

There are just many "known" copies out there. I can assure you I had a great deal to do with that at the time...

[sivarto]

I had 6 of the gold carts at the time, and I know how much I sold them for, and where they went, and who they were traded to. Ranged from $1500 and loads of rares back in 1999 to $6500 3 years ago.

There are 2 within 11 miles of me right now. One of them is minter than any of the gold carts I have ever seen. It is basically almost untouched, and I would never consider selling it.....

For a rare game, there seems to be alot of movement in ownership, making it seem like it's always available, and that there are many, many copies out there ;)




I second that.
Anyway congratulations to DreamTR,owing 6 gold carts at the same time is totally amzing!
Thanks also for giving the right ballpark on the price of them.

[rbudrick]

Going by past auctions, DreamTR's experiences, and general past discussions, you can safely appraise just about any condition gold cart for $5000, as long as it isn't in absolutely horrendous condition. And honeslty, that's probably exactly what they average...$5000 when sold.

Iirc, one sold for near 8k once, but I don't have any saved record of it. I don't reccomend paying over $6500 for one, as you'd be getting a super-shitty deal. I'd offer the average 5k as a maximum bidding amount and leave it at that.

BTW, get pics before you buy. Really good, hi-res pics (gold carts are not numbered like the grays and can only be uniquely identified by their label placement and and other artifacts like tiny scratches and such on the cart), as you don't want someone waving around stock pics that have been floating around the net. You dont want to fuck around with a purchase like this and it should be inspected by some of us to ensure authenticity. On a selfish note, I want the pics to document the cart LOL ...still plugging away at documenting all things NWC...I really do hope I get enough info to write the book I want to write about the event...getting there, but slowly. Got a lot of interviews and other info, but it's slow work.

-Rob

[cyberfluxor]

I'm sure that I'm not the only one with this question but I do have the balls to ask it. What is this game? I don't feel like searching rather get a more detailed response since it appears a lot of the responders know quite a bit about this game.

And as for me, any game going for more than $100 is too much for me. I'm a collector but too cheap and poor to dig that far into my pockets.

[sivarto]

Going by past auctions, DreamTR's experiences, and general past discussions, you can safely appraise just about any condition gold cart for $5000, as long as it isn't in absolutely horrendous condition. And honeslty, that's probably exactly what they average...$5000 when sold.

Iirc, one sold for near 8k once, but I don't have any saved record of it. I don't reccomend paying over $6500 for one, as you'd be getting a super-shitty deal. I'd offer the average 5k as a maximum bidding amount and leave it at that.

BTW, get pics before you buy. Really good, hi-res pics (gold carts are not numbered like the grays and can only be uniquely identified by their label placement and and other artifacts like tiny scratches and such on the cart), as you don't want someone waving around stock pics that have been floating around the net. You dont want to fuck around with a purchase like this and it should be inspected by some of us to ensure authenticity. On a selfish note, I want the pics to document the cart LOL ...still plugging away at documenting all things NWC...I really do hope I get enough info to write the book I want to write about the event...getting there, but slowly. Got a lot of interviews and other info, but it's slow work.

-Rob

Thanks for your very informative and useful post Rob.
Yes,right amount to pay is the one you said but in my opinion I don't even care that much if the cart has scratches or not...I mean it is a loose cart anyway,no packaging at all.

My main concerns are now about the chips being faulty inside and the value being affected by it; and not last,about the fakes like you said.

Also,the fact that there are 26 of them around suggests me a good deal on them can still be gotten(even if you don't acquire a ultra mint one but just a fair conditioned one)

[Jumpman Jr.]

in my opinion I don't even care that much if the cart has scratches or not...


....My main concerns... about the fakes like you said.

See, that's the thing. (I'm not sure if you understood this in rbudrick's post or not). The scratches are what can tell you if it is a fake or not (or at least, that's the way I understand it). If you get a copy that has never been documented before, there might be a possibility that it is a fake (if somebody could fake it, which they probably couldn't). In any event, I highly suggest talking to rbudrick repeatedly throughout your transaction. He's the man when it comes to this stuff.

[sivarto]

in my opinion I don't even care that much if the cart has scratches or not...


....My main concerns... about the fakes like you said.

See, that's the thing. (I'm not sure if you understood this in rbudrick's post or not). The scratches are what can tell you if it is a fake or not (or at least, that's the way I understand it). If you get a copy that has never been documented before, there might be a possibility that it is a fake (if somebody could fake it, which they probably couldn't). In any event, I highly suggest talking to rbudrick repeatedly throughout your transaction. He's the man when it comes to this stuff.


I think anyway it is pretty simple to scratch a fake cart to make it appear real if the main point to look at was that.
I meant to say I don't really care that much about the condition of the cart nor am I paying a premium to get it mint.
$5000 or 6000 is already a very very big amount to pay and very few buyers would be ready to bite at that price.

As a side note,I understand what others said about the fact they would buy it if they had the cash to throw for it...and that's really the big difference:many people would but very few will actullay pay if a gold cart popped up and the price reached $5000 or more.

Also,about what member Buyatari said,I think it sounds pretty reasonable but it can just apply to every collectible item: to get his gold cart you have to pay the price he wants but the same can be said about let's say, a rare pc engine game or hardware,neo geo home carts,sega 32x darxide..like if I wanted to buy Kizuna encounter from the guy who got it off ebay for $12500 and he asked $30000 to part with it...it is his price and not the real market price.

[jajaja]

I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

[sivarto]

I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

I would agree but talking about the nintendo gold cart it seems there IS a market price for it,ranging from $1500++ to $6500 like Rob explained:infact quite a few of them were sold and the price range is pretty easy to grasp.

If you pay more,your getting a bad deal since serious collectors know the real price range of that thing.

[Oobgarm]

I'm sure that I'm not the only one with this question but I do have the balls to ask it. What is this game? I don't feel like searching rather get a more detailed response since it appears a lot of the responders know quite a bit about this game.

This should tell you what you need to know.

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/nwc/nwc.html



I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

I would agree but talking about the nintendo gold cart it seems there IS a market price for it,ranging from $1500++ to $6500 like Rob explained:infact quite a few of them were sold and the price range is pretty easy to grasp.

If you pay more,your getting a bad deal since serious collectors know the real price range of that thing.

I couldn't agree more with that. That arguement about variating price can apply to anything. People can go nuts and overpay, but that doesn't skew the cart's value. That just shows someone had too much money to burn.

[rbudrick]

I think anyway it is pretty simple to scratch a fake cart to make it appear real if the main point to look at was that.
I meant to say I don't really care that much about the condition of the cart nor am I paying a premium to get it mint.

Oh, of course it's easy to scratch a cart, but the NWC carts are virtually fingerprinted...in hi-res scans of any given NWC gold, you can plainly see how any given pre-documented NWC cart is impossible to fake. The tiny artifacts unnoticeable to most are truly unique identifiers and basically impossible to fake. Sure, a game can have additional artifacts added, but the old ones can't be taken away. I generally try to document 5-7 things on any given gold cart to uniquely identify it. Unfortunately, I only have documentation for 5 or 6 of them, as finding the gold cart owners and getting pics is somewhat difficult and requires a good amount of detective work in some cases, especially when the available pics are blurry or have significant glare from the gold carts' reflectiveness.

DreamTR, if you would, I humbly ask you to contact the people you know with the golds and ask them to contact me, or allow me to contact them.

-Rob

[jajaja]

I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

I would agree but talking about the nintendo gold cart it seems there IS a market price for it,ranging from $1500++ to $6500 like Rob explained:infact quite a few of them were sold and the price range is pretty easy to grasp.

If you pay more,your getting a bad deal since serious collectors know the real price range of that thing.

I couldn't agree more with that. That arguement about variating price can apply to anything. People can go nuts and overpay, but that doesn't skew the cart's value. That just shows someone had too much money to burn.

Well.. not anything. Retail games usualy have a market price. Sure, the price might variate with a few dollars, but with very rare items its diffrent. Like the guy who offered buyatari $12000 for the NWC gold cart. Is the market price $12k if thats the only copy sold for 1-2 years?

[sivarto]

I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

I would agree but talking about the nintendo gold cart it seems there IS a market price for it,ranging from $1500++ to $6500 like Rob explained:infact quite a few of them were sold and the price range is pretty easy to grasp.

If you pay more,your getting a bad deal since serious collectors know the real price range of that thing.

I couldn't agree more with that. That arguement about variating price can apply to anything. People can go nuts and overpay, but that doesn't skew the cart's value. That just shows someone had too much money to burn.

Well.. not anything. Retail games usualy have a market price. Sure, the price might variate with a few dollars, but with very rare items its diffrent. Like the guy who offered buyatari $12000 for the NWC gold cart. Is the market price $12k if thats the only copy sold for 1-2 years?

The key is just to understand that in this case market price means average price for the gold carts actually sold during the years.
It is not one of a kind item,as said there are 26 of them and as Rob and DreamTR said,it is totally possible to see the real price range of the cart.
Even from Buyatari's post can be guessed or better read the right price of the cart:
he wrote that for $5000 some collectors would actually buy it. That points right towards the "market" price for the golden cart.

As a final note,like written in the other topic,the offer of $12000 was seriously questioned and seemed to be from a non paying person.

Keep also in mind the seller I located is legit and he is asking right now $8000 for his cart but it seems too much in my opinion.

[rbudrick]

They kind of only get sold once every two years or so anyway.

Hypothetically, while if someone pays 12k for one, then it does inflate the *average* price, and some may argue (perhaps rightfully), inflate the *actual* value of them all, things will still always be worth only what people are willing to pay, and the average serious collector with the dough is usually only willing to pay up to 5k. So while it may be more valuable, it doesn't mean you'll get the higher price for it. However, if you saved recorded proof of the sales of these, proving average value, it may be useful in an insurance case if the item were stolen (and individually insured to begin with).

-Rob

[sivarto]

Also an interesting note on the actual price trend for the gold cart: the latest price paid for it on ebay was about $3500 or 4000,far from the more expensive amounts paid for the previous sales.
So,the trend seems anyway not an increasing trend.

[cyberfluxor]

I'm sure that I'm not the only one with this question but I do have the balls to ask it. What is this game? I don't feel like searching rather get a more detailed response since it appears a lot of the responders know quite a bit about this game.

This should tell you what you need to know.

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/nwc/nwc.html

Ahhhh. Didn't know it was short-termed for Nintendo World Championships. Now that was cleared up quite well. Thanks!

[jajaja]

Ye, i know its not one of a kind, but its still very rare and probly the most expencive thing for NES. Hell, not even unreleased and undumped games hits this price hehe.

I wouldnt agree that the market price is the average price of whats its been selling for years. As DreamTR said, he sold some for $1500 in 1999. If you add the average price it would be below $5000, im pretty sure of it.

Today, i guess the chances for these to change hands are very rare. Most copies are already in the hands of bigtime collectors. So i'd say the real value is whatever the buyer wants to pay :)

[rbudrick]

I wouldnt agree that the market price is the average price of whats its been selling for years. As DreamTR said, he sold some for $1500 in 1999. If you add the average price it would be below $5000, im pretty sure of it.

Could be, true. 5k is really just a guess, based on some that have sold for more, and some for less. But, in conversations with other collectors I've had, this seems to be the magic number that always pops up. The true average could most certainly be lower, yes.

-Rob

[Jumpman Jr.]

I wouldnt agree that the market price is the average price of whats its been selling for years. As DreamTR said, he sold some for $1500 in 1999. If you add the average price it would be below $5000, im pretty sure of it.

Could be, true. 5k is really just a guess, based on some that have sold for more, and some for less. But, in conversations with other collectors I've had, this seems to be the magic number that always pops up. The true average could most certainly be lower, yes.

-Rob

I think you might be misinterpreting what DreamTR had said (either that, or I am misinterpreting). He said:


Ranged from $1500 and loads of rares back in 1999

Which means that he probably sold one for $1500 plus a whole bunch of rare-ass games that he needed at the time to complete his NES collection.
Again, that's just what I got from his post, he would know a little bit more than me though ;)

[DreamTR]

$1500 and all of the SNES test carts, $1500 and all the rare Euro boxed games and a gray NWC with missing label, things like that. Never $1500 alone.

[jajaja]

I might been missunderstanding, but the way i understood it he said from $1500 - $6500, talking about the 6 gold carts.


I had 6 of the gold carts at the time, and I know how much I sold them for, and where they went, and who they were traded to. Ranged from $1500 and loads of rares back in 1999 to $6500 3 years ago.


Even if the average price was around $5000 it still doesnt change what i said at the end tho :) I dont know if this is the right way to calculate the market value. I'd say that the market value is what it sells for now, and that price may variate alot.


Today, i guess the chances for these to change hands are very rare. Most copies are already in the hands of bigtime collectors. So i'd say the real value is whatever the buyer wants to pay :)

[sivarto]

the average serious collector with the dough is usually only willing to pay up to 5k.
-Rob


This is a very good sum up of the price for these in my opinion and totally based on facts.
If there is 1 factor that can heavy affect for sure the market price of gold carts is what they sold for.

Of couse someone,as well expressed before,"can go nuts and overpay" but at the end of the day collectors won't pay more than its regular known price.
Like if I buy it for $8000 and then I have to sell it and MOST LIKELY I wil loose money since offers will be lower.

And then again,last on ebay barely fetched $4000...kinda risky to put one for sale with 1 dollar starting bid if your hoping to get $6000+ for it.

[Buyatari]

Ohh this is funny.

Its only worth 4k yet the cheapest one you can find for sale is 8k and 3 other sellers who said they would turn down 15k.

also 2 points

1. There are not 26 gold carts. There are less than 10. Thats like saying there are 3000 stadium events or 10000 Atari 2600 quadruns.

2. You don't even know the buyer who offered to buy my NWC. He is also a member here. To call him a deadbeat without personal experience is uncalled for. He offered to paypal me 1/3 the ammount as a deposit. Thats a 4k DEPOSIT !

None of your arguments matter. You fail to see the main point. Its a seller market NOT a buyers market. If you want one you have to pay what a seller wants. The days of 4k gold NWCs are over. Think about this.....If you bought one for 3-5k YEARS AGO would you sell for 4k knowing you might never see another esp after hearing about a possible offer of 12k or 15k? No one who spent 3-5k on a Nintendo cart would sell to break even unless they were desperate and thats all they could get for it. It just doesn't make sense.

[sivarto]

Ohh this is funny.



1. There are not 26 gold carts. There are less than 10. Thats like saying there are 3000 stadium events or 10000 Atari 2600 quadruns.

2. You don't even know the buyer who offered to buy my NWC. He is also a member here. To call him a deadbeat without personal experience is uncalled for. He offered to paypal me 1/3 the ammount as a deposit. Thats a 4k DEPOSIT !

None of your arguments matter. You fail to see the main point. Its a seller market NOT a buyers market. If you want one you have to pay what a seller wants. The days of 4k gold NWCs are over. Think about this.....If you bought one for 3-5k YEARS AGO would you sell for 4k knowing you might never see another esp after hearing about a possible offer of 12k or 15k? No one who spent 3-5k on a Nintendo cart would sell to break even unless they were desperate and thats all they could get for it. It just doesn't make sense.

These points you brought up are here addressed.

1) There are 26 of them and that is the most correct info on them already confirmed by many collectors.
Your number is just a way to boost up the price in case you sell your copy.
Also,since you know 8 owners of them you just assume there are only 8 of them...as I already said not all the owners are on this board(like the owner I located) and the official numbers for the gold carts are correct.

2)You are assuming the price nowadays would be more than what you paid...makes you wonder why you didn't star an auction from $1 on ebay and see what the final price will be,way less than $8000,you bet.

Your supposed buyer was already known as a non-paying buyer and all he gave you were words.Words about total amount he would be ready to pay and words a deposit as well.

You fail to see how the prices in collectible items are not always increasing as a general tren but when they are already very high(like $4000 or 5000 for this cart) they won't increase much more or could even go down.
PROOF of that is your purchase of the cart on ebay...yeah yours is a low conditioned cart but still fetched less than previous sales of the same cart happened years before.

Also,as already stated,very few people will put the money where their mouth is,you can be sure about that,espcially talking about $4000 or more price tag.

As for your main argument:it is a seller market.
Out of 26 or at least 20+ gold cart owners it is quite likely one of them will decide to sell,cash in and move ahead,like you were trying to do.
And when you decide to sell and cash in,you will have to get the best REAL offer you can or you just won't get a sale.
On the other hand,it seems really difficult to me someone may be THAT disperate to pay $10000 or more to get a cart that all the other owners paid a fraction of that cost...since you know you are overpaying and your making a totally bad investment:you will never come out ahead if you sell nor break even just to get your money back if you decide to sell.
Of course you "could find" a desperate nes collector ready to pay that much but it is very unlikely in my opinion since if you are after that kind of thing you will do your homework and discover what other collectors OVER THE YEARS have paid for it and then you will be ready maybe to pay something more to be happy and have it but not for sure 2 or 3 times the usual price of it!

Bottom line:you can ask any price you like for your cart but until you can get a REAL sale you are not even a seller.
But hey,maybe you can find someone ready to shell out $10000 or more...a fool and his money are soon parted.

[sivarto]

This should tell you what you need to know.

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/nwc/nwc.html



I dont think there are any real market price on super rare items like this. Price may variate alot from buyer to buyer and when its being sold.

I would agree but talking about the nintendo gold cart it seems there IS a market price for it,ranging from $1500++ to $6500 like Rob explained:infact quite a few of them were sold and the price range is pretty easy to grasp.

If you pay more,your getting a bad deal since serious collectors know the real price range of that thing.

I couldn't agree more with that. That arguement about variating price can apply to anything. People can go nuts and overpay, but that doesn't skew the cart's value. That just shows someone had too much money to burn.


Quoted,truer words were never spoken.
The price range of $1500 to $6000+ is an established price range over the years and you will need at least 2 or 3 sales for more than that to set a new price range.
But anyway buyatary's try to inflate the price with his ebay auction and his "actual "offer from a known non paying buyer were good fun!

[sivarto]

edit for double posting

[sirhansirhan]

Ohh this is funny.

Its only worth 4k yet the cheapest one you can find for sale is 8k and 3 other sellers who said they would turn down 15k.

also 2 points

1. There are not 26 gold carts. There are less than 10. Thats like saying there are 3000 stadium events or 10000 Atari 2600 quadruns.

2. You don't even know the buyer who offered to buy my NWC. He is also a member here. To call him a deadbeat without personal experience is uncalled for. He offered to paypal me 1/3 the ammount as a deposit. Thats a 4k DEPOSIT !

None of your arguments matter. You fail to see the main point. Its a seller market NOT a buyers market. If you want one you have to pay what a seller wants. The days of 4k gold NWCs are over. Think about this.....If you bought one for 3-5k YEARS AGO would you sell for 4k knowing you might never see another esp after hearing about a possible offer of 12k or 15k? No one who spent 3-5k on a Nintendo cart would sell to break even unless they were desperate and thats all they could get for it. It just doesn't make sense.

Thank Christ--I was waiting for someone reputable to chime in with a post like this.

I've stayed out of this thread mostly because I'm new-ish here and don't personally own a gold NWC, but sivarto's arguments re: the "real" value of the gold NWC are absolutely laughable. The cart is worth $5000 because that's roughly the average that it has sold for in the past 5-10 years? There is no logic behind that at all. If that formula was used to determine the current going rate for anything collectable, well, prices would be drastically different than what they are now. There's such a thing as market fluctuations, dude. The last clump of grey NWCs to hit eBay went exponentially higher than they had been in the past five or so years; what makes you think that this wouldn't apply to the gold cart as well? All your asinine posts about its "real" value amount to you trying to justify being cheap when trying to acquire the most extravagant of NES games.

[sivarto]

Ohh this is funny.

Its only worth 4k yet the cheapest one you can find for sale is 8k and 3 other sellers who said they would turn down 15k.

also 2 points

1. There are not 26 gold carts. There are less than 10. Thats like saying there are 3000 stadium events or 10000 Atari 2600 quadruns.

2. You don't even know the buyer who offered to buy my NWC. He is also a member here. To call him a deadbeat without personal experience is uncalled for. He offered to paypal me 1/3 the ammount as a deposit. Thats a 4k DEPOSIT !

None of your arguments matter. You fail to see the main point. Its a seller market NOT a buyers market. If you want one you have to pay what a seller wants. The days of 4k gold NWCs are over. Think about this.....If you bought one for 3-5k YEARS AGO would you sell for 4k knowing you might never see another esp after hearing about a possible offer of 12k or 15k? No one who spent 3-5k on a Nintendo cart would sell to break even unless they were desperate and thats all they could get for it. It just doesn't make sense.

Thank Christ--I was waiting for someone reputable to chime in with a post like this.

I've stayed out of this thread mostly because I'm new-ish here and don't personally own a gold NWC, but sivarto's arguments re: the "real" value of the gold NWC are absolutely laughable. The cart is worth $5000 because that's roughly the average that it has sold for in the past 5-10 years? There is no logic behind that at all. If that formula was used to determine the current going rate for anything collectable, well, prices would be drastically different than what they are now. There's such a thing as market fluctuations, dude. The last clump of grey NWCs to hit eBay went exponentially higher than they had been in the past five or so years; what makes you think that this wouldn't apply to the gold cart as well? All your asinine posts about its "real" value amount to you trying to justify being cheap when trying to acquire the most extravagant of NES games.

Wow good attitude here we have.

If it is something "asinine" that are your statements without any support at all.

If you could think before posting you would understand that yeah,prices fluctuate but that FACT they were in the same range over 5 or more years is a clear sign to be factored in when your trying to buy a NWC gold cart.

More,prices can fluctuate going DOWN,like the last NWC gold cart sold on ebay that went for LESS than previous ones.

IF you also could follow correctly ebay auctions you would just grasp that REAL value of grey carts stayed about the same:some sellers tried to speculate and charge $3500 or more for it but most of them went unsold,like the last one for $4300.
And note that normal price of $1500-2500+ for them is still a good reference if you want to buy one and not get screwed.

Also,you forget to see that when your talking about $6000 or even more price tag,possible buyers will be very very few and you can bet,those buyers are expert collectors who know how much the cart is worth.

[jajaja]

Well.. the "real" value of it isnt more than $2 or so hehe. Talking production costs ;)

[Buyatari]

I tell you what you get me this list of these 26 gold nwc owners and you can have my copy for free. Hell you can have my entire collection. Not a list of people who once had them a list of people who have it now in their hands.

All 26 nwcs did not all survive. More may turn up, yes it is possible, but as of this very minute there are less than 10 known collectors who can sell you one.

In the past few years....
Peek a boo poker went from 75-100 up to 400-500
Stadium Events went from 200-300 up to 700+
Sealed Cheetahman II went from 100-200 up to 500
Grey NWC went from 1500 up to 3-4k

But a gold nwc is worth EXACTLY the same as it was back then? Thats fine. If thats what you want to hear. It is still worth the same as it was worth back then. Now go find one.

You can make this arguement very easy. Go buy a NWC for 4k and come back and show us. Its not impossible. But if you pull that off you are buying a game under what I believe is fair market value.

[sivarto]

I tell you what you get me this list of these 26 gold nwc owners and you can have my copy for free. Hell you can have my entire collection. Not a list of people who once had them a list of people who have it now in their hands.

All 26 nwcs did not all survive. More may turn up, yes it is possible, but as of this very minute there are less than 10 known collectors who can sell you one.

In the past few years....
Peek a boo poker went from 75-100 up to 400-500
Stadium Events went from 200-300 up to 700+
Sealed Cheetahman II went from 100-200 up to 500
Grey NWC went from 1500 up to 3-4k

But a gold nwc is worth EXACTLY the same as it was back then? Thats fine. If thats what you want to hear. It is still worth the same as it was worth back then. Now go find one.

You can make this arguement very easy. Go buy a NWC for 4k and come back and show us. Its not impossible. But if you pull that off you are buying a game under what I believe is fair market value.

To be specific(but already wrote the exact same thing):

1)NEVER said I 'm able to buy one gold cart for $4000.
Clearly stated that,yes the price can fluctuate and go down or up to a certain EXTENT, and that's what more likely will happen next time one will be for sale.
I.e.,more than $5000,perhaps $7000 or little more but very very unlikely that will fetch $10000 or so,given an established price range over "several" years.

2)grey carts:ONE sold for about $3000 (overpriced OF COUSE) and IMMEDIATELY others popped up on ebay and went UNsold.
Clear and simple.
Regular price for that cart is lower than tthat or your being ripped off(probably little more thna $2000 but if you are lucky you can get it for less).
I guess it is just easy and safe to see what one wants to see.

3) Again known collectors on THIS board or by you,but that still doesn't mean anything against offical numbers we have about gold carts.
They were a prize and it is extremely unlikely they got thrown away or trashed.
They are out there and you can bet almost all are totally well preserved.

Nonetheless if you need money for your needs,hope for you you find someone ready to pay what you ask for.
That won't affect the price of the next gold cart that will pop up on ebay in the future, that won't reach the figures you mentioned but will be sold for a way more realistic price.

One thing is to pay $2000 or even $3000+.
A totally different matter if to go from $4000-5000 up to $10000+ when you know what all the others owners paid for the very same thing.

I'm done here and thanks anwya to all,expert collectors like Rob and Dreamtr and potential rapacious sellers like Buyatari(NO offence intended)
It was fun and useful for my possible purchase of the cart from a legit owner I located that is NOT on this board like I already mentioned nor accounted for by any online archive.

[jajaja]

ONE sold for about $3000 (overpriced OF COUSE) and IMMEDIATELY others popped up on ebay and went UNsold.

Your right that many other copies poped up after the first was sold. But what i recall 2-3 copies were BINed fast after the first copy was sold.

[Buyatari]

Your right that many other copies poped up after the first was sold. But what i recall 2-3 copies were BINed fast after the first copy was sold.

I'm in the market for one in nice shape. 3k is no problem with me.

Sivarto, I am not a rookie at this. I base everything I've said from personal experience. I bought my gold nwc before most people even knew what it was. I do know what I am talking about. Don't assume I don't know about your seller or only know what is posted on DP. I don't know exactly how many collectors have the NWC because I never cared that much but I know there are less than 10. Just as a driver in a car is aware of roughly how many other cars are around him without counting.

There are not 26 because someone already contacted each and every one of the original owners YEARS AGO and well thats how he had 6 at one time. Some were thrown out , some people moved and lost them. Thats not speculation. When you call the owner up and get it right from him then thats fact. No one knew it was a valuable treasure. It was just an old NES game. Sure one or two more of these "lost" NWC carts could pop up but thats chance. There will never be 20 NWC owners again.

I am not a seller either I am a buyer. I don't care what the current market value is. I won't sell for a long time. This is THE holy grail of all video game collecting. It will always go up.

[Adol]

THE holy grail of all video game collecting?

There's stuff way rarer than that

Just 1 example:Rockman/Megaman 4 Famicom Gold Cart...8 copies in existence,3 times less than Gold NWC...

Maybe it's the holy grail of US video game collecting...

[GaijinPunch]

Dodonpachi Campaign Version PCB. Only ONE in existence, and will never be for sale, and never be dumped to ROM.

[jajaja]

Dodonpachi Campaign Version PCB. Only ONE in existence, and will never be for sale, and never be dumped to ROM.

According to this (http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=803) site 100 were made.

[sivarto]

This is THE holy grail of all video game collecting. It will always go up.

Just to say that it may be the holy grail of NES collectors and that's it.

Most, if not all of the other collectors collecting videogames for other systems(pc engine,neo geo and so on) simply don't even know or care about those loose carts we are talking about.
Keep also in mind these carts only appeal to US NES collectors,not really videogame collectors worldwide.


As a side note Buyatari,I perfectly remember you winning the auction 2 or 3 years ago of the gold cart and still remember the condition of it.
Reason why I passed at the time.

Anyway as said,good luck when you will be on the market to sell it,hopefully your investment of $3000+ will turn out to be a very good one.

[Buyatari]

As a side note Buyatari,I perfectly remember you winning the auction 2 or 3 years ago of the gold cart and still remember the condition of it.
Reason why I passed at the time.

no you don't. I didn't buy mine on eBay.


Just to say that it may be the holy grail of NES collectors and that's it.

No its the Holy Grail of ALL video game collecting. Some rare title no one ever heard of for an obscure overseas system will never stand up to the NWC over the long haul.

[Jumpman Jr.]

Just to say that it may be the holy grail of NES collectors and that's it.

No its the Holy Grail of ALL video game collecting. Some rare title no one ever heard of for an obscure overseas system will never stand up to the NWC over the long haul.

I'd have to agree with Buyatari on this one. I think that the gold NWC is the holy grail of video game collecting simply because it is (well, I think it is) more desirable than any other grail.
See the thing is, I've never even heard of the grails that Adol and GaijinPunch were talking about, but I think that everybody's heard of a gold NWC, which makes the market (and therefore, the selling price) for it much more than anything else.
But, I am probably biased, as I am a NES collector.

[DreamTR]

sivarto: We need to clarify some stuff. There has not been a gold cart on eBay for quite some time. If there was, it was probably player2gameexchange selling it, but IIRC, he only has been selling Gray Carts. The multitude of gray carts these past few years can be attributed to the artcile in Nintendo Power, and the value raising enough for people to want to purchase the things.

I purchased one gold cart from eBay for $1877 back in 2001. I got the rest from other outside sources.

Adol: Rarity and demand are completely different in terms of gauging value. If there are 3 Kizuna Encounters, 8 Famicom Gold carts of Mega Man 4, or limited SFC or PC Engine Duo items, they may be vaunted in Japan, but $10-15K? It's the holy grail for NES collectors for certain.

Adol, I know you don't like prototypes, but you yourself have mentioned one of a kind items, and I have tons of one of a kind items that do not have the same value as the NWCs I own.

I was in the tournament, it's very important to me. Unreleased prototypes are not as important, as a "favor" for helping me get most of the gold NWCS in the first place, I traded one for an unreleased NES proto straight up.

Regardless, I don't think $8000 is too far off these days based on the rarity of the golds..

[sivarto]

As a side note Buyatari,I perfectly remember you winning the auction 2 or 3 years ago of the gold cart and still remember the condition of it.
Reason why I passed at the time.

no you don't. I didn't buy mine on eBay.


Just to say that it may be the holy grail of NES collectors and that's it.

No its the Holy Grail of ALL video game collecting. Some rare title no one ever heard of for an obscure overseas system will never stand up to the NWC over the long haul.


Thought was you the one who got the last one on ebay in low condition for something more than $3000(last actual selling price for NWC gold carts)

Sorry to burst your bubble and little investment Buyatari but now you are just showing how biased you are:

welcome to globalization.

Holy grails are for all videogame collectors wolrdwide and not just for US collectors.
Most of the collectors around the world don't care at all about NWC carts for quite a good number of reasons.
One of the main being those carts appeal only to people who,like Dreamtr,were part of the tournamet or lived the hype back in the days...as you can see a very small fraction of the whole videogame collecting world.
Other reasons ca be found easy.




Also,you can go on and tell the world that there are 8 or 10 of them but truth is,not 1 or 2 like you admit but more gold carts are out there,sure thing(reflecting the official info we have on the gold cart).
Maybe not all 26 survived but you can bet at least 20+ are around and will surface sooner or later,especially due for people like you,trying to cash in.


I quite agree with your post and price range DreamTR.
If a MINT conditioned NWC cart was to surface on ebay,it "could" fectch $7000 or probably even $8000 but still would be a rare case since in my opinion the final price would be lower on a pubblic auction with no shill bidding.

[sivarto]

No its the Holy Grail of ALL video game collecting. Some rare title no one ever heard of for an obscure overseas system will never stand up to the NWC over the long haul.

"obscure oversea system"...like the neo geo to say one.
neo-geo.com message board has almost as many registeed members as this message board and it is dedicated to ONLY ONE system! *and this board is,on the other hand,dedicated to multiple machines*

What about nec or sega collectors? They have their own holy grails that can and probably will fectch as much or even more money than NWC carts.

Also,keep in mind gold cart are not an officlal released games but a prize for a specific contest and not appealing to collectors who are trying to get a complete collection for thier favorite system and just don't care about "weird or unseen" things or prizes or prototypes.
That's the reason why mint copies of metal slug 1 have sold for more money than some NWC gold carts and that's the reason why games like darxide for sega 32 are getting more and more potential buyers:they were all offcially released games and for that reason,they are part of a complete collection.

[Buyatari]

Sorry to burst your bubble and little investment Buyatari but now you are just showing how biased you are:

You just pull numbers out of the air. I can back it with an argument. Its not a bias its a logical statement based on years of study of not only video games but every hobby I could find going back to when people first starting collecting the first collectable, the coin.

NWC is the rarest cart you will ever find with this type of demand. Most grails would be the price of common carts if 100 more popped up tomorrow. Pass out 100 or 200 or 500 more NWC and it would STILL be a holy grail. Meaning the greatest collectable item in the collection of most people who owned it. Thats my basis not bias. If this hobby ever takes off will these new collectors care about titles they can't pronounce for systems they never heard of ?

My statement is based not on how things were or even how they are now but how they will be. The NWC will be the single most valuable, most desired video game collectable game in all of video game collecting. It is this belief which led me to buy my NWC and the same belief which led me to turn down all offers. I don't feel this way because I own it. I own it because I feel this way. If there were a better canidate for holy grail of all video games I would have bought that one instead.

There are less than 10 gold NWC in collectors hands. Thats not a bias that is a fact. You think the rest will all turn up and thats nothing more than wishful thinking. I can't say its impossible but you are better off playing the lottery.

So tell me this sivarto if the NWC is not the holy grail of all video game what do you think is?

[portnoyd]

Sivarto's kinda outta his league here. You can talk all you want, but I've seen buyatari's and Dtr's golds in person. I've discussed with them about the deals made and what have you. They know what they're talking about; you really don't.

[Jumpman Jr.]

What about nec or sega collectors? They have their own holy grails that can and probably will fectch as much or even more money than NWC carts.

I'm sorry, but no.
The rarest cart for the Genesis is the Blockbuster World Video Game Championship Cart II, where I beleive there are only 4 'assumed' to exist and only 2 actually accounted for (or something like that). Making that cart signifcantly more rare than the Gold NWC.
However, you couldn't sell the cart for $1,500 because there is not the same demand that there is when it comes to the Gold NWC.

[sirhansirhan]

Sivarto's kinda outta his league here. You can talk all you want, but I've seen buyatari's and Dtr's golds in person. I've discussed with them about the deals made and what have you. They know what they're talking about; you really don't.

Hey, I've been waiting for someone reputable to say that, too. I love how sivarto asks the value of the gold NWC, and when two of the most esteemed video game collectors in the United States respond, he tell them that they're wrong.

[sivarto]

You do realize Buyatari that your reasoning ONLY apply to NES collectors and probably some NES collectors,don't you?

As I already wrote,metal slug 1 already sold for more money than NWC gold cart or we could find some very rare videogames for PC engine and so on.
And that's for all the points I already listed you of course were not able to address.

*****Again,congrats you own a holy grail for the NES videogame collecting scene and that's it.*****

Reread my post about neo-geo.com and how many registered members they have for just one system.


Sega is not only megadrive but much more,dreamcast,32X,arcade games and so on.
Same for PC engine.

I know it is a loosing battle but you could just try to think about it:
collectors collect videogames for many system and all around the world.
Only a FRACTION of them care about NES and even a smaller fraction of them care about NWC carts.

Take again the neo geo:the system has lasted 14 years and acquired a fan base way larger than the nes.
And you can bet they are people all around the world who enjoyed the real videogame experience in the arcades,where BILLIONS of people played Metal slug or neo turf masters and so on.And those games are still strong nowadays in the arcades and in people 's hearts around the world.
I was too poor to afford a nes when I was young but I had the chance to step into the arcades,made a lot of friends and played a lot of arcade games.
And that can be said for people around the world.

All that just to say that is almost impossible to say that 1 item is THE holy grail in videogames collecting world.

IF that was true,real quotes for NWC carts would be as more as twice or 3 times current prices and would have already skyrocketed.
And that is simply NOT true and last gold cart on ebay just tells us that.
Sure nowadays it can be worth more(or even less wht normal fluctuations of the price) but then again,other grails are worth more and are coveted by more collectors worldwide.

Also,I already said I appreciated Dreamtr 's opionion about possible current value of NWC carts.

[sivarto]

Sivarto's kinda outta his league here. You can talk all you want, but I've seen buyatari's and Dtr's golds in person. I've discussed with them about the deals made and what have you. They know what they're talking about; you really don't.

Hey, I've been waiting for someone reputable to say that, too. I love how sivarto asks the value of the gold NWC, and when two of the most esteemed video game collectors in the United States respond, he tell them that they're wrong.

Is that difficult to grasp the meaning of what DreamTR and Buyatai said?
They expressed quite different views on the matter and different current quotes for the cart.

DreamTR provided realistic quotes about possible selling prices of gold carts and very helpful informations.
And all is more true even considering what I have read on this topic:2 of the most recent sales of the NWC gold cart went for $3000++ or 4000,one on Ebay and the other one purchased by Buyatari.

I already wrote many times I quite agree with dreamTR(and I have been collecting videogames for multiple platforms for over 7 years now.)

[jajaja]

Take again the neo geo:the system has lasted 14 years and acquired a fan base way larger than the nes.

Are you sure about that? After my experience Neo Geo got a more selection of hardcore collectors, since most games are so expencive. With NES you have so many people who collect since so many games are cheap and they are easy avalible. If you ask random people at the street what a Nintendo 8-bit is most people would know the answer, but if you ask them what Neo Geo is i bet only 15% know, if not less.

[sivarto]

Take again the neo geo:the system has lasted 14 years and acquired a fan base way larger than the nes.

Are you sure about that? After my experience Neo Geo got a more selection of hardcore collectors, since most games are so expencive. With NES you have so many people who collect since so many games are cheap and they are easy avalible. If you ask random people at the street what a Nintendo 8-bit is most people would know the answer, but if you ask them what Neo Geo is i bet only 15% know, if not less.

Of course I'm talking about the neo geo arcade experience(coin op machines) like I wrote in my post.
You can ask about metal slug or any other very popular game in the arcades and more people AROUND THE WORLD will know about it compared to nes that was an expensive home system geared towards a home niche market at the time compared to arcades that were for the masses.


***Regardelss,the point is clear:if you say that there is ONLY 1 holy grail in videogame collecting world your just fooling yourself or reasoning like a total fanboy***

[jajaja]

It depends where you live tho. Over here arcade wasnt so big, same with Neo Geo AES. I bet if i ask all my friend if they know Metal Slug only 1-2 know it :) First time i played Metal Slug was for PSX. Before that (what i can remember) i'd never heard of it.

But ye, there are not 1 item that is the ultimate holy grail in videogame collecting (did anyone say it btw?). It can variate from person to person what he/she thinks is the holy grail.

[Adol]

I agree that it can be holy grail for NES US collectors,but that's it!

Kizuna Encounter is WAY rarer,and WAY more in demand than Gold NWC here in Europe,or anywhere else in the world.

VERY few ppl know about Gold NWC outside USA & Canada.

Pratically nobody cares in Europe about a Gold painted NES US NTSC cart called "nintendo WORLD championship' when in fact it was just a national championship contest prize,maybe including Canada players in addition, and that's it.

That's like USA calling "WORLD series baseball" their national championship..it's just national,nothing bigger,but if you like to call it "world something", do as you want :)


There is MORE Gold NWC carts around the world than Kizuna Encounter European cartridges, for SURE.

People is ready to pay ( FOR REAL ) MORE money for Kizuna Encounter than for a gold NWC (I know 3 ppl already ready to offer $12500 for it).

Gold NWC has been seen SEVERAL times on Ebay, while Kizuna Encounter NEVER, EVER, appeared on Ebay.

That's PRETTY clear: Kizuna Encounter is more kind of an "holy grail" than a gold NWC cart.

Thus, Kizuna Encounter should be the "holy grail of all video game collecting",huh?

But i consider this stupid,since for me,gold nwc cart is the holy grail of US NES video game collecting, no more

and KE is the same for Neo Geo video game collecting, nothing more.

People not interested in Neo-Geo will not give a damn thing for it, and same goes for Gold NWC cart if you don't care about NES.

You'll probably find MORE japanese ppl ready to spend $5000 in a Gold painted Rockman 4 Famicom Cartridge,than US ppl who will pay $5000 for a gold NWC cart..and rockman 4 cart is 8 copies only,not 26!

Check here if you want to see a pic of it:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84742

[jajaja]

Btw, is Enzuna Encounter Euro the most valuable game worldwide?

[Adol]

If you're speaking of COMMERCIAL games, yes it is.
$12500 so far...

If people REALLY pays $15000 for Gold NWC cart,fine,but that didn't happen yet

$12500 for KE existed,and i know the owner,living 20km from me.

[Bronty-2]

What's the story on the rockman 4 cartridge? Just curious as I don't know anything about it.

cheers.

[Adol]

Simple: Capcom made a contest for designing the 8 bosses of the game.Much people sent their drawings,and they choose what they considered the best ones.

As a reward,they sent to each "design winner" 1 gold cart!

I heard there is a difference in staff roll ending,congratulating the designers,but i never had a chance to play this "rom" :)

[Bronty-2]

Cool! thanks for the info.

PS - what about non-commercial games, which you hint at above? Have any sold above the euro KE price that you know of?

[Adol]

No,but i was referring to sample games,prototypes,etc..

those can be 1 of a kind,and who know ppl can pay for them..

if i had a REAL Zelda 3 NES cart,official and game near 100% complete,which value will you give to it?

Same goes for a Final Fantasy 2 or 3 NES US NTSC Cart
( relative to FF 2 or 3 Famicom games ),near completed,from squareenix,with a box and manual...no doubt such thing could go high..

otherwise,i know about $25000 for a Power Console for PC Engine/Supergrafx,but that's an accessory,not a game.

[JJNova]

I'd just like to point out that Mario is more popular around the world than Mickey Mouse is.


And i doubt that Metal Slug is more popular than Mario on the NES. Yes, worldwide.