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    Default Atari Lynx-Eye of the Beholder-Buyer List

    (Copied from my thread at Atari Age)


    Eye of The Beholder Lynx carts....

    Here's the deal. I do not own this, yet I am asking for a serious list of buyers. I'm not asking for a deposit, or anything silly like that. What I am asking is for honest opinions and Eventually what I would like to do is have a LIST of potential buyers to show that the market is there to produce a limited run of EotB. So this is like a market survey, so-to-speak, to basically either prove that a list of people out there want this cart. Or it will be the opposite: I will learn that perhaps there just is not enough interest to support a release of this game.

    So, just like we do in the other forums with Atari 2600 carts and hacks and prototype repros... I'm asking for you to let me know here if you would buy this game. Through the years, EotB has been talked about, and everyone is hoping it will get released. There are a few protos out there along with a few 'copies' that a few lucky personnel were able to obtain. Now I am trying to reach out and see what the market really will do for this game. Yes, the economy still sucks, and perhaps it is bad timing for a game like this. But it is still something that would be a year out before they could be mailed out (or at least that is my opinion). At this time, please just post if you would like to buy one, and if you do have opinions on the price, please be kind to post the opinions but let's try not to flame the topic too much. Is this a pipe dream? Possibly. However, if the slot of 50 games could get filled, and the list is solid, I think this could happen. I know what my stance is out there on this game. I've mentioned multiple times I would like to see it. Relief Pitcher is another one I would love to see, but obviously a few people have issues plopping down the cash for a sports title. I think EotB is in a different category. It is an RPG, it is an elite title that people would like to see. I think the market is out there for this title, but I would like this thread to prove that. So please take the time, sign up for which version of cart you'd be interested in, and make some comments. Keep in mind this thread could be the tell-all when it comes to if we will see this game or not. There are people watching this to determine if it is worth pursuing this at all.

    Lets get the dust blown off this proto and get it out there for the market! icon_smile.gif

    Here's the plan:

    It has been talked about, and I think a run of 50 carts will be doable. This is something that has been discussed before, but we need a buyer list now. With the extent of this game's elusiveness, a 50 cart run would be really nice. Those that want a copy of this game, the collectors and the fans, this will be the first chance for most of us. So here's what the proposed idea is:

    60 cart run.

    40 carts are copies of Eye of the Beholder. Plain ol' carts, no flash, no extras, no box, etc. Just a plain copy of a working EotB Lynx game with save capability.

    20 carts: Eye of The Beholder Extreme Limited Edition.
    This run of 10 games will have multiple extras, and will come at a higher price. This will be the Lynx's premiere run of games. Think of this set as the CGE release that is really expensive to get now. Being that there are only 10 copies of this version of the game, it would have the best collecting value of all released Atari Lynx games.
    What I was thinking about on this version, is something like some other limited releases that hit the market in the past years (Was it QB for Atari 2600 that came in a wooden box or something). Think along the lines of the Thrust edition that came boxed with the footpedal, stickers, and other stuff.

    I think these 10 games could be the same type of carts as the other 40. However, I believe they should have a limited (ie different) label on the cart. Obviously they need to be numbered as well. I believe those that release it should sign it as well. Kind of a nice unique touch. The Extreme Limited Edition should also have a very high quality box, manual, some type of case to protect the game in, etc. Perhaps even a poster like the other Lynx games have. the price would be much more, however, to a collector, I think these would sellout first (and very quickly).

    Price: This is generally the sticky point for most people. Especially with the economy. However... keep in mind a few things:
    1. The going rate right now for all new releases: $49.99 (There isn't a lot of profit margin there either)
    2. You will have a year or so to start saving up.
    3. This is probably the most desired game for the Lynx. Period.
    4. It will be the most costly game to reproduce.
    5. This run is very limited and has not been offered before. Obviously who knows if it will be offered again.
    6. The price to reproduce these carts will be more expensive (for example: The costs for the chips, the 512k board, etc)

    That being said:
    Price for the 40 cart run of a plain cart: $100
    Price for the Extreme Limited Edition cart run of only 10 carts: $200

    So... with all of that... let's start off the list. Given that you have over a year to prepare... and to pay... what do you say? Which version are you interested in?

    40 Cart run buyer list
    1. Eric DeLee
    2. dantheratman
    3. ls650
    4. atarian63
    5 remowilliams
    6 rygar
    7 4ever2600
    8 hellfire -Digital Press
    9 vintagegamecrazy--Digit Press
    10 Isogoed
    11 Shawn Jefferson
    12 chris_lynx1989
    13 Mendon
    14 streps
    15 jaguar_fan
    16 TrekMD
    17 T (Digit Press)
    18 Wraith Storm
    19. pixeljunkie
    20. chiba3010
    21. BuddyBuddies
    22. ATM55-DigitPress
    23 matashen
    24 108 Stars
    25 SwedenLynxer
    26 DarkLord
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    20 Cart Extreme Limited Edition buyer list:
    1 Eric DeLee
    2 dantheratman
    3 Sauron
    4 shadow460
    5 gambler172
    6 STGuy1040
    7 Lord Thag
    8 rygar
    9 tonyvortex--Digit Press
    10 nonner242
    11 Marc Oberhäuser
    12 chris_lynx1989
    13 Atari_Falcon
    14 im_reg
    15 TrekMD
    16 Atari Smeghead
    17 ianoid (Digit Press)
    18 coreycorey2000 (Digit Press)
    19 the.golden.ax
    20 swlovinist--DigitPress * NOTE Original slot was reserved for me. I don't need two, so will give that up.

    Post what you want. I'll edit the list, and we can keep all discussion here. I'll post this over at Digit Press later on. Spread the word if you want. I have a feeling there is a desire for this game, and I believe people will support this title.


    1. how complete is the proto?
    2. Yeah... My question as well.
    Does it have music and sound FX? Is the portion of the game that is there fairly polished?

    The proto that will be cloned is quoted as being 100% complete. No bugs, nor graphical bugs/glitches in gameplay, or controls. Runs very smoothly. Better than most Atari/Telegames games that were released late or released as reproductions. EotB has music and more.

    3. What about a manual for the Regular Edition?
    This could be a possibility.



    Thanks!
    Last edited by EricDeLee; 02-25-2009 at 04:34 PM.

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    how complete is the proto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roushimsx View Post
    how complete is the proto?
    Yeah... My question as well.
    Does it have music and sound FX? Is the portion of the game that is there fairly polished?

    I would certainly be interested but need to know a bit more before I say for certain.
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    i would be very interested in the limited one.

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    Please keep in mind a few things in regards to this thread...

    1. I don't own the proto. I am not the one cloning the proto nor the one that will be distributing the proto.
    I am essentially just doing a bit of legwork to prove that this game has a market out there and that we can easily reach the 50 cart mark.

    2. This thread may be viewed (actually will be veiwed) by those that own the proto that will be copied/cloned. He/she may eventually pipe in and make a few comments. I can't guarantee that nor can I guarantee that the prices are set in stone.

    I believe the $100 cart option is a firm price.
    The Extreme Limited Edition may be less, but I don't see it costing any more than $200.



    Questions asked by a few: how complete is the proto?
    That is a valid question. This is NOT the demo that was released online. This is not the demo that simply showed screenshots and recycled through them. This is the real deal, as complete as you are going to get. very playable, very long, etc etc.

    The true owner could shed more light than I can. But it is basically a copy of the proto we have all been waiting for. I'll add others to the list later on. I will add them according to when they post in the threads, and the times/dates I get PMs. If you do not want your name on the list and just want to be called 'unknown' let me know in the PM.

    Thanks.

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    Ill buy one of the regular ones

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    Didn't someone offer to sell one of the several copies the original proto out there for like $1K a year or so ago on AtariAge? Why not just organize a group purchase and distribution like people have done for so many prototypes before? Why not make it available to everyone for a reasonable price instead of trying to create an overpriced version and a very overpriced limited version?

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    Put me down for a regular one since I have a year to save up.
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    Hmm this is a tough call on one hand my lynx gets no loving because most of the games are godawful. On the other without some info on the proto i dont really know if its going to do much to fix that problem. Last time i bought a repro of a proto it became a shelfwarmer and nothing more so im a bit wary. Ill watch this for additional info on the proto you could say im a definite maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSparkle View Post
    Hmm this is a tough call on one hand my lynx gets no loving because most of the games are godawful. .
    You're joking, right?

    Never say that unless you played any of these excellent Lynx titles:

    Blue Lightning
    Electrocop
    Gates of Zendocon
    Chips Challenge
    Slime World
    California Games
    Klax
    Warbirds
    Awesome Golf
    Checkered Flag
    Block Out
    Ms Pac-Man
    Pac-Land
    S.T.U.N. Runner
    Shanghai
    Ishido
    Toki
    Lemmings
    Shadow of the Beast
    Malibu Bikini Volleyball
    Battlezone 2000
    Switchblade II
    Super Skweek
    Rampart
    Rygar
    Steel Talons
    Crystal Mines II
    Robotron 2084
    Joust
    Desert Strike
    Super Off Road
    Qix
    Raiden
    Alpine Games

    and there are many more I like personally like: Pinball Jam, Xybots, Roadblasters, Super Asteroids, Missile Command, Viking Child, Gordo 106, Fat Bobby, Ultimate Chess Challenge, Lynx Casino, Ninja Gaiden.....

    That's pretty good going for a system with a library of only approx 80 titles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSparkle View Post
    Hmm this is a tough call on one hand my lynx gets no loving because most of the games are godawful.
    Quote Originally Posted by tom View Post
    You're joking, right?
    I agree with Tom's list... and then some.

    I always thought the Lynx was Atari's best system quality wise. It had a solid amount of games and a majority of those games were great! Similar to the NGPC in some ways. Sure the NGPC may have only had like 25 games released in the US but almost all of them are fantastic.
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    wow thats quite a homework assignment i've played like 3 of those titles and they're among the lynx games that do occasionally get me to break it out. specifically i love the lynx version of rampart, and raiden is a pretty decent port too. I'll have to track down some of those others and check them out. I got one or two lots that had lynx games so i managed to get about 20 games, of those 20 maybe 2 are worth playing lol. Didnt mean to offend you as honestly i love my atari jaguar and nintendo virtual boy which are looked down upon by most everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojay1997 View Post
    Didn't someone offer to sell one of the several copies the original proto out there for like $1K a year or so ago on AtariAge? Why not just organize a group purchase and distribution like people have done for so many prototypes before? Why not make it available to everyone for a reasonable price instead of trying to create an overpriced version and a very overpriced limited version?

    That has been tried. Multiple, multiple times.
    Yet we are still at the same spot each time. Yes... it was sold a year ago or something like that. From what has been explained to me about making these games, there really isn't much in the the way of getting a profit. Add in the fact that you are buying more expensive boards for this 512K game, battery, etc... it adds up a bit. You also have to expect to pay a bit of a 'royalty' so to speak to the person that is supplying the cart. That is only fair. For the $100 cart, there isn't much of a profit at all. For the $200 cart... you are paying for the Limited Edition of the cart. It will shoot to the top of everyone's "I wish I had that game, I guess I'll wait to see if it pops up on ebay" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith Storm View Post
    Yeah... My question as well.
    Does it have music and sound FX? Is the portion of the game that is there fairly polished?

    I would certainly be interested but need to know a bit more before I say for certain.


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    The proto that will be cloned is quoted as being 100% complete. No bugs, nor graphical bugs/glitches in gameplay, or controls. Runs very smoothly. Better than most Atari/Telegames games that were released late or released as reproductions. EotB has music and more.


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    Is this the same Eye of the Beholder as has been seen on SNES, PC, Sega CD...? Cuz if so, $5 would be too much to ask for a cart of that crap. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricDeLee View Post
    That has been tried. Multiple, multiple times.
    Yet we are still at the same spot each time. Yes... it was sold a year ago or something like that. From what has been explained to me about making these games, there really isn't much in the the way of getting a profit. Add in the fact that you are buying more expensive boards for this 512K game, battery, etc... it adds up a bit. You also have to expect to pay a bit of a 'royalty' so to speak to the person that is supplying the cart. That is only fair. For the $100 cart, there isn't much of a profit at all. For the $200 cart... you are paying for the Limited Edition of the cart. It will shoot to the top of everyone's "I wish I had that game, I guess I'll wait to see if it pops up on ebay" list.
    It has actually been tried and done very successfully on numerous occasions with other games. It shouldn't matter to the owner of the cart whether 50 are sold or 500 are sold, so long as the profit is the same. Why not partner with a company or person who has done this before like a B&C or the folks at Atari Age or Songbird Productions to make this a release that everyone who is interested can get instead of playing games and creating collectibles that only ten people can own? I'm assuming this isn't even a properly licensed release, so why should people pay $100 or $200 for what is really just a reproduction of a 512K game?

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    Rob Fulop, is that you?

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    I would be interested around the 40-50 range, not 100.

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    $100 for a repro (cart only) is way too high. icbrkr is right, $40-50 is a good range. Why not release 100@$50 instead of 50 @$100. That way, it is open to more people at a better price.

    Look at te quality that is out there on the NES repro sites, complete games(box, inserts, instructions) are going at no more than $50-60.

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    I would buy one of the normal ones

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    I'd buy one for $40-50 but not $100, way too high.
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