PS3 vs 360

[NoahsMyBro]

BOOM!

Boom to the power of boom.

This, and the reputed 360 failure rate in general, reminded me of an old B5 quote:

"No boom?"
"No boom."
"No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom, sooner or later. BOOM!"
-- Garibaldi, Sinclair, and Ivanova in Babylon 5:"Grail"

Not that this probably adds anything useful to the thread....
Carry on.

[NoahsMyBro]

Wow. I've just read through this whole thread, and want to chime in with my feelings about the two consoles.

I don't have either (nor a Wii for that matter), so mine may be an uncommon perspective.

I've played each console sparingly. A couple of years ago I played Geometry Wars on the 360, and for a few weeks decided I wanted a 360. The urge eventually passed.

A few weeks ago I played Gravity Crash, and decided I want a PS3. Since then, I've been watching DP, Craigslist, & ebay trying to score an older backwards-compatible PS3 at a price I can afford. BUT, I can't afford a realistic or fair price for a PS3, and I'm assuming this urge will pass too.

If I was going to buy one today, I'd go with the PS3. I hate to say it, especially as I dislike Sony's usual business practices, but all else being equal I'd pick the PS3 because of my fear that a 360 will spontaneously die on me due to an inherently unreliable design.

I'll most likely not get either until after the next consoles come out, whenever that happens.

That's my 2 cents.

[RPG_Fanatic]

I have both PS3 & 360. My PS3 only gets used as a DVD/Blu-ray player. My 360 gets used everyday, sure i've had three of them die but I still like the 360's live better than the PS3 online gaming.

[Mimi Nakamura]

I understand what you are trying to say but even if you had picked up your PS3 when it launched in the fall/winter of 2006 you should have had an idea of the typs's of games and franchises it would be getting. As for Treasure developed games and shooters, if you didn't know which system was going to get the majority of these games(since they are apparently your favorites) you should have held off on your purchase until you had more information.

Having said all of that, now that you know which console has the games you like best, theres really no more need for debate. Go pick up a 360 and start enjoying some Treasure made games and an abundance of shooters(among other gaming experiences). You'll have both systems and will be able to have "all" of the exclusives. Surely you didn't need me and the rest of DP to tell you this.

When I bought my PS3 there didn't seem to be a lot of difference between the two, and I guessed that the PS3 would get more support in Japan than the 360. I thought the 360 would have more first person shooters, and the PS3 would have more arcade style games.

I don't want a PS3 and a 360, it will make my apartment look messy (my place is minimal styled), and it might be a bit embarrassing if someone comes to my place! I like to keep my gaming habits as a secret! It's expensive to have two systems as well. It's one or the other...

[mezrabad]

I don't know if it is a case of "the grass is always a little greener" but, I have a 360, I've had it for almost two years now, and it is the most used console in the house. I enjoy the dozen or so games I have for it, though mostly I'm playing Fallout 3 and a few Xbox Live Arcade games I bought. (Portal, Geometry Wars, Puzzle Quest)

And yet, I wonder if I could have enjoyed the PS3 more? I know it's more powerful. I know that the games I play now (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Bioshock) are all available on the PS3, and games I would like to play (Little Big Planet, Final Fantasy XIV, Siren 3? I think) are either exclusive to the PS3 or are getting there first. I also wouldn't be living with the fear that I'm going to get a red ring again on the 360.

Mimi, my advice would be to find a friend with whom you can trade systems and games for a few weeks. If there's game rental place in Tokyo, then trade systems with a friend, rent a few games for the 360 and see how you feel. After a few weeks, you may know whether or not you need to change your system. Hope this helps.

[ScourDX]

I don't want a PS3 and a 360, it will make my apartment look messy (my place is minimal styled), and it might be a bit embarrassing if someone comes to my place! I like to keep my gaming habits as a secret!

You might as well get a portable system like PSP or DSi. Both are small and less clutter. Also why would you feel embarrassed when someone knows your gaming habit? Is it just the Japanese culture don't accept female gamers?

It's expensive to have two systems as well. It's one or the other...

No doubt gaming is expensive. If you aren't really into gaming, I would stick with portable system. It is cheaper and less expensive than the console.

[Mimi Nakamura]

You might as well get a portable system like PSP or DSi. Both are small and less clutter. Also why would you feel embarrassed when someone knows your gaming habit? Is it just the Japanese culture don't accept female gamers?

I'm guessing you've never been to Japan. We've never had the problem of "accepting" female gamers - there have always been female gamers here.
This comment, coupled with your other one, suggests you have a problem with Japan. Why?

Amongst most of my friends it definitely would be embarrassing if they knew how much I played games!

No doubt gaming is expensive. If you aren't really into gaming, I would stick with portable system. It is cheaper and less expensive than the console.

Aren't really into gaming? Yawn....

[Mimi Nakamura]

I don't know if it is a case of "the grass is always a little greener" but, I have a 360, I've had it for almost two years now, and it is the most used console in the house. I enjoy the dozen or so games I have for it, though mostly I'm playing Fallout 3 and a few Xbox Live Arcade games I bought. (Portal, Geometry Wars, Puzzle Quest)

And yet, I wonder if I could have enjoyed the PS3 more? I know it's more powerful. I know that the games I play now (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Bioshock) are all available on the PS3, and games I would like to play (Little Big Planet, Final Fantasy XIV, Siren 3? I think) are either exclusive to the PS3 or are getting there first. I also wouldn't be living with the fear that I'm going to get a red ring again on the 360.

Mimi, my advice would be to find a friend with whom you can trade systems and games for a few weeks. If there's game rental place in Tokyo, then trade systems with a friend, rent a few games for the 360 and see how you feel. After a few weeks, you may know whether or not you need to change your system. Hope this helps.

That's a great suggestion!

Thanks a lot, I'm definitely going to look into doing that.

[ScourDX]

Amongst most of my friends it definitely would be embarrassing if they knew how much I played games!

Maybe you should find new friend that appreciate your hobbies.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Counterpoint: Maybe she should stop playing video games!

[Mimi Nakamura]

Maybe you should find new friend that appreciate your hobbies.

"Hobby" not "Hobbies". Gaming is one "hobby". I have other hobbies that I share with my friends.

I'm not looking to share my video game hobby with anyone. Sorry.

[Hari Seldon]

"Hobby" not "Hobbies". Gaming is one "hobby". I have other hobbies that I share with my friends.

I'm not looking to share my video game hobby with anyone. Sorry.

I have to ask, why it would be embarrassing?

[duffmanth]

There's a great article on ign.com: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/105/1059102p1.html, about how one of the editors went back to Sony in a way and bought a PS3 because of a combination of the 360's reliability issues and the combo of the PS3 slim and price drop. He also mentions how he just can't see himself playing FFXIII on a 360, cuz the series has always been so ingrained with Sony. I kind of see his point, there's just something that doesn't feel right about playing certain games on anything except a Sony console such as Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid. Although these games were on Nintendo first, their best versions were on Playstation, and they just go hand and hand.

I can see his point about the 360's reliability issues causing himself and others to have second thoughts about continuing to support it as much. It's pure bullshit that somebody who slaps down $300 for a 360 has to worry if the system is even going to last them a few months or less before it starts fucking up on them.

[Nature Boy]

I kind of see his point, there's just something that doesn't feel right about playing certain games on anything except a Sony console such as Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid.

Totally agree. Last gen I had all three consoles for the bulk of their life cycle, and for no real good reason I'd most games on PS2 because it felt right. And then I'd get something like Splinter Cell, play it on the Xbox first (because it was there first), and I couldn't play any of the sequels on anything else.

This gen I've got only the one console still though, and it didn't bother me in the slightest to be buying GTA IV on an Xbox rather than a PlayStation, although I'll admit that I knew it was coming to 360 prior to me jumping in, or I might've actually purchased a PS3 instead.

The other game I thought of back then was ... FF. Now I'm not even sure I'll buy it - I enjoy the WRPGs so much more than JRPGs these days that I'm not sure I'm interested in going back anyway. I was thrilled to see I'd get the choice though!

[vandy160890]

I own a PS3 & love playing my console games on it.
In some aspects 360 is of low standards when compared to PS3's excellent features.
Ps3 is technically more sound.

[mezrabad]

He also mentions how he just can't see himself playing FFXIII on a 360, cuz the series has always been so ingrained with Sony. I kind of see his point, there's just something that doesn't feel right about playing certain games on anything except a Sony console such as Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid. Although these games were on Nintendo first, their best versions were on Playstation, and they just go hand and hand.

Actually, it seems part of a logical progression for Final Fantasy to move to another system. FF I, II + III were on the Famicom, FF IV, V + VI were on the Super Famicom. So, first six were on a Nintendo system, three for each. FF VII, VIII + IX on Playstation, FF X, XI + XII on Playstation 2. Second six were on a Sony system, three for each. Hmm, XI was on the Xbox 360, too... so that would have to make some kind of corollary rule for MMORPGs... hmm, yeah, it's unwise to read numerical patterns where there probably aren't any, just like it would not be wise for SquareEnix to limit their options by only releasing FF XIII for one system. It's about reaching the largest audience. If the 360 can handle it, they'd be missing an opportunity. Of course if they make it for the 360 and there's frame dropping or constant loading, well, then they're making a mistake.

EDIT: I just remembered that I, II, IV, V + VI were all re-released or remade for the Playstation (and the GBA, and I think one and two were on the PSP) and III was re-made for the Nintendo DS. There's no such thing as a "right" company's system for a franchise.

EDIT 2: Damnit, at the same time, I've been jonesing for a PS3 and were I to get one... YES, I'd get FFXIII for it.... damn you Microsoft, damn you to hell!

[j_factor]

If you want to read a pattern into it, this is it: Final Fantasy I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI (discounting the 360 port), and XII were all released on what was the #1 console in Japan at the time. Of course, by that logic, XIII should be a Wii game.

[kupomogli]

If the 360 can handle it, they'd be missing an opportunity. Of course if they make it for the 360 and there's frame dropping or constant loading, well, then they're making a mistake.

From what I heard, Square-Enix developed FF13 to make it like FF7 and FF8 to where you couldn't go back to certain places after you finished a disc. This is because the limitations of the size of the DVD all the places can't fit on a single disc. So unfortunately, these limitations are added to the PS3 version. Not only that but dual audio as well, which I'm not a fan of , but I hear a lot of Japanophiles complain about it.

So while the 360 could possibly handle everything the PS3 can and vice versa. The format limitation is the only thing that is holding the 360 back and unfortunately the PS3 too when a company has to downgrade a game on the system to work properly for both systems.

[b0ub0u]

FF games lost me when they stopped having an overworld map and exploration. The thing I like most about RPGs is the exploration part. All JRPG are so linear now.. it's not even funny. FF VI is still the greatest FF of all time, no doubt about that.

For WRPG, I think the 360 and PS3 are about equal, they both have the big games.

[Mimi Nakamura]

So while the 360 could possibly handle everything the PS3 can and vice versa. The format limitation is the only thing that is holding the 360 back and unfortunately the PS3 too when a company has to downgrade a game on the system to work properly for both systems.

I think this is already happening in general production of games. Games that are released on both formats are clearly optimised for the 360 because if it were to happen the other way round, the 360 version would be significantly graphically inferior.

Sony always strive to have the most powerful console, but because game production costs are so high nowadays, games companies must make their games multi-format if they want to get a decent financial return, so having a more powerful console is irrelevant in today's market. They need both the PS3 and 360 market, so it's not in their interests to make one version far superior to the other.

Which is all good because I have a strong dislike for Sony's "let's wow everyone with powerful specs" tactics.