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    Absolutely no comparison here. The SNES music blows the Genesis music away.

    NBA Jam Tournament Edition title music - Genesis (skip to 0:25):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqh9kpHzTM

    NBA Jam Tournament Edition title music - SNES:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKe4xeKXJPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasdkirby View Post
    I don't know if this comparisson has been made, but here is a track from Thunderforce III Genesis (or Thunderspirits for the SNES):

    Genesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXfGEgLfO-k

    SNES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glr4eldvneI

    Both sound great, and some portions sound better on the Genesis than on the SNES (reverse is also true on some sections). So which is better? Depends on the person really, but I prefer the Genesis version.
    This comparison demonstrates while music might be on par or better for one system over the other the rest of the game doesn't hold up. Thunder Spirits while decent cannot hold a candle to the original, with all the slowdown, new stages, and overall easier difficulty (if that can even be true since original TF3 is somewhat easy to begin with). There is more to this discussion than simply music.
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    Another Thunder Force III/Thunder Spirits comparison:

    Thunder Force III:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjRqK...eature=related

    Thunder Spirits:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha8ConKpBLI

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    I find it funny when someone posts a song clearly better, then another someone post, "Thats cause they did a poor job". "It was always a bad port" "bad example thats poor by the systems own standards" Who cares if it lazy, thats what we are here to discuss which had a better port, and if they did a poor job we'll then you have your answer as which is a better port, at least whatever aspect is discussed. So no needing to make excuses for the snes and genesis, how about answers instead.

    The early 90's are gone no point continuing the war. No need for people to get so defensive, one bad port doesn't mean your system sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepharytheworm View Post
    I find it funny when someone posts a song clearly better, then another someone post, "Thats cause they did a poor job". "It was always a bad port" "bad example thats poor by the systems own standards" Who cares if it lazy, thats what we are here to discuss which had a better port, and if they did a poor job we'll then you have your answer as which is a better port, at least whatever aspect is discussed.
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I find comparing EA's games a waste of time. We all know EA was very lazy on the SNES, therefore most of its games were better on the Genesis. This is common knowledge. Let's move on and compare other company's games instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob2600 View Post
    Absolutely no comparison here. The SNES music blows the Genesis music away.
    There was some video on youtube that compared the music between Buster Busts Loose on the SNES and Buster's Hidden Treasure on the Genesis and the Genesis version was better. I'm not sure where the video is but I'll try to find it, both games had their own version of the TV show theme so it was easy to compare the two versions together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameguy View Post
    There was some video on youtube that compared the music between Buster Busts Loose on the SNES and Buster's Hidden Treasure on the Genesis and the Genesis version was better. I'm not sure where the video is but I'll try to find it, both games had their own version of the TV show theme so it was easy to compare the two versions together.
    Cool, I'm interested to hear it.

    By the way, I was referring to the music in NBA Jam Tournament Edition, not Genesis vs. SNES music overall:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob2600 View Post
    Absolutely no comparison here. The SNES music blows the Genesis music away.

    NBA Jam Tournament Edition title music - Genesis (skip to 0:25):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqh9kpHzTM

    NBA Jam Tournament Edition title music - SNES:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKe4xeKXJPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebbe View Post
    Another Thunder Force III/Thunder Spirits comparison:

    Thunder Force III:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjRqK...eature=related

    Thunder Spirits:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha8ConKpBLI
    The Genesis track sounds better in my opinion.
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    I'm not really sure what exactly I can contribute to this thread, except for some ideas here n' there.

    To begin, I've been trying to think of some games which may have not had their music compared yet.

    strangely enough, an example I thought of right now is "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers" and so I was able to pull out the Title song from MMPR: the Movie in both SNES and GEN formats. I don't think the games were exactly the same on both consoles, but they shared the obvious theme song;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AViq17Y_qw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pn4z...eature=related

    One thing I'll always remember the MMPR games for is how they actually had some pretty intense/hard/heart-pumping music on the SNES, considering how seemingly difficult it is for me to recall SNES games that are like that - I'm not necessarily a music expert per se, but SNES music tends to sound more symphonic in nature, which work for a lot of the games SNES did, but didn't have the head-banging nature of classic NES sound.

    The second thing I thought of was... Langrisser, for some reason. :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllWg...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg7a8...eature=related

    Probably because I know a fan, lol. But yeah, I find comparing the music on the SFC Der Langrisser and MD Langrisser 2 interesting because... well, Langrisser music is nice. Yeah.

    And the last idea I thought of would be maybe looking at fan-chiptune scene for some stuff. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the neat Mute City or Storm Eagle Megadrive mixes I know are going around, and I don't really know much on SNES fan-music scenes, so I just went for the first thing I could nab, and found Illusionary Dance;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWT7Y...eature=related

    Which I guess one could compare to the SNES "Dracula X" version.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REyIz...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I just went for the first thing I could nab, and found Illusionary Dance;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWT7Y...eature=related

    Which I guess one could compare to the SNES "Dracula X" version.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REyIz...eature=related
    The Genesis version sounds horrible and annoying. The SNES sounds great.

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    Hence why I wanted to find the Mute City and Storm Eagle Megadrive mixes on Youtube. Those sounded a lot better.

    I've been digging through for some things on 8bitcollective, though.

    http://8bitcollective.com/music/Dale...%28Genesis%29/

    http://8bitcollective.com/music/Cosm...enesis+Remake/

    On the other end, this is about the closest I could find in terms of fan-SNES music;

    http://8bitcollective.com/music/Hype...SNES+cover%29/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob2600 View Post
    I disagree. Fast-forward to some of the other songs in that video. They sound great to me...and when hooked up to a nice stereo system, there's plenty of bass.
    We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    I owed "Batman Returns" on the SNES, I've heard the songs. I have my SNES hooked up to the same stereo I have my Genesis hooked up to. Bass on the SNES sounds artificial and flat.

    If I was going to try and talk someone into liking the SNES for its soundchip, "Batman Returns" is not the Konami game I'd bother playing. "Turtles in Time" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob2600 View Post
    I can't speak for anyone else, but I find comparing EA's games a waste of time. We all know EA was very lazy on the SNES, therefore most of its games were better on the Genesis. This is common knowledge. Let's move on and compare other company's games instead.
    I agree with this post, EA refused to tone down their softwares for the nes in the 8 bit generation. EA was clueless for a long time as to how to develope quality titles for the snes, where as with the genesis they reverse engineered it early on in order to navigate around sega's liscensing policies. The first John Madden Football looked and played great for its time(1990), fast forward one year and the port for the freshly launched snes looked almost like an 8 bit game with a downright horrid framerate.

    i dont think the poor electronic arts ports were due so much to the snes performance rather than the fact that they just had alot to learn about the snes hardware. the ports of madden 94 and 95 were starting to catch up on the snes but were still better on the genny. madden 95 on the genny was liscenced by the nflpa so the players names are in the game for the first time in the franchise however, the snes port is missing the players names. madden 96 on the snes is a great football game and it was apparent that ea had figured the hardware out, just as it was going out the door.

    the sega genesis is my favorite console ever, but i gotta go with the snes port of street fighter II. the music is much better and the animations seem better to me, and stone me now but i prefer to play it with the snes controller(nostalgia, just doesnt feel right on the genny pad to me)
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    The only problem with that attitude is that EA made a pretty damn significant number of games. In a thread titled "Are there any versions of Genesis games that are better then the SNES verision?" it seems pretty silly to say "oh yeah, most of EA's games, but everyone knows that, let's not talk about those".

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    Oh, you beat me to the punch.
    The EA games are relevant to the topic.

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    What about Spiderman: Arcade's revenge? I'm not sure if the tracks are even the same, but the SNES version is damn impressive (well, most of the tracks). The Genesis version sounds like they didn't really even try. As far as the actual versions go, I have no clue (only like the musics, not the game).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob2600 View Post
    Let's move on and compare other company's games instead.
    On the subject of sound, were there ever any cross-platform titles by the same development team(s) that had equal experience and expertise on both consoles?

    I mean, can you honestly think of a composition that is nicely rendered solely due to hardware technicalities and not programming knowledge?

    Taking that into consideration, I really can't think of any, but I'm not enough of an audiophile to give an accurate answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    On the subject of sound, were there ever any cross-platform titles by the same development team(s) that had equal experience and expertise on both consoles?

    I mean, can you honestly think of a composition that is nicely rendered solely due to hardware technicalities and not programming knowledge?

    Taking that into consideration, I really can't think of any, but I'm not enough of an audiophile to give an accurate answer.
    It seems like some developers chose the Genesis as their primary platform and then quickly ported their games to the SNES. And other developers chose the SNES as their primary platform and quickly ported their games to the Genesis.

    So, half the cross-platform games look and sound great on the Genesis, but not so much on the SNES...and vice versa. Instead of comparing game-by-game, we can save time by figuring out which developer favored which platform. For example, EA favored the Genesis, so it's safe to say EA's Genesis games are a bit better overall than its SNES versions.

    Likewise, Konami favored the SNES, so it's safe to say Konami's SNES games are a bit better overall than its Genesis versions. Of course, there are also developers who only supported one console, like Square and Enix on the SNES.

    I just think it makes more sense to make a list of which developers were better on which console.
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    What this topic needs is a list of all the games that were made for both systems and then we all can vote for each game. That way we have a running list of all the games and a general census of what people feel is the best version for each game.

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    Another track:

    Mega Man X3 Intro on Genesis/Mega Drive, made by a fan using instruments from licensed G/MD games:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUwg-n1GgOo

    Original SNES version by Capcom:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ukxh...eature=related

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