Remember nintendo's arrogance during nintendo 64's release?

[sheath]

These are still in progress because I recently had over 50 PS1 games submitted without any reasons, but here it is a list of PS1 games that were compiled by Rec.Games.Video.Sony fans prior to 2003. The criteria is bent to gameplay comments only, not popularity or sales.

I applied the same criteria to the N64 library a few years ago and came up with this list.

The individual game pages for the N64 library only has the top three reasons why the game was added. I have not gone back and done this for older game libraries, mainly because I haven't cared to.

[tom]

Those lists are always stupid, one of my favorite games on PS is Air (Ace) Combat, it's a classic flight sim from a Namco coin-up, totally awesome game.
Ask any non-flight sim fan and he'll tell you that game sucks.

Amidar on VCS, to me a classic title, IF you know how to play it properly on the VCS. Most people can't get the hang of the joystick/slow speed relevance and give up after a few seconds.

Lists prove nothing, people here listing the oh so excellent N64/PSX titles, means nothing too. It's all personal.

Tomb Raider is a great game, full of action, Zelda on N64 you walk around for days, doing naught except for walking into fog.

[sheath]

That's why these lists completely ignore subjective terms and stick to factual gameplay comments. Eventually they should reflect any games multiple people found worth noting for specific gameplay related reasons (multiplayer, missions, shooting on Mars, et al.)

Lists that try to pit top sellers, presented as "AAA titles" against the rest of the library actually are stupid. As is measuring the size of one console's list against against another. Isn't that a touch adolescent folks?

[kupomogli]

List them.

Seconded.

Here's 50. http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1491

I'm at work so plenty of free time so here's 51 more that aren't listed(I did quote it as "over 100.") Being that the PSX is the king of RPGs it seems a little unfair placing mostly RPGs without anything so I'll list as many good titles from other genres before I start filling it up with RPGs. If I haven't played it, it's not going to be in the list.

Alundra
Arc the Lad 2
Armored Core Master of Arena
Blood Omen Legacy of Kain
Brave Fencer Musashi
Breath of Fire 3
Brigandine Legend of Forsena(not counting extra, but Grand Edition also.)
Bushido Blade
Castlevania Chronicles
Chocobo Racing
Chocobo Dungeon 2
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Die Hard Trilogy
Dino Crisis
Dragon Warrior 7
Grandia
Gundam Battle Assault 2
Kagero Deception 2
King's Field
King's Field 2
MediEvil
Mega Man 8
Mega Man Legends
Mega Man Legends 2
Mega Man X4
Mega Man X6
Need for Speed 3 Hot Pursuit
Nightmare Creatures
Ogre Battle
Omega Boost
Parasite Eve 2
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 3
Rival Schools
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 6
SaGa Frontier 2
Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain
Spyro the Dragon
Star Ocean the Second Story
Suikoden
Syndicate Wars
Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together
Tail Concerto
Tales of Eternia
Tecmo's Deception
Tomb Raider 2
Vandal Hearts
Warcraft 2
Warhammer
Wild ARMs

..... and done. There are many more games that I could list, mostly RPGs. So well over 100. It really depends on your favored genres but I'm sure there's also some good sports games on the system as well. I can say that I like Gameday 98 so that's one I'd list.

Those lists are always stupid, one of my favorite games on PS is Air (Ace) Combat, it's a classic flight sim from a Namco coin-up, totally awesome game.
Ask any non-flight sim fan and he'll tell you that game sucks.

I'm not a flight sim fan and I liked this.

Lists prove nothing, people here listing the oh so excellent N64/PSX titles, means nothing too. It's all personal.

That's true. If it was my personal list of good games(which those 51 I listed were,) while there are a lot of games that are in the top 50 DP thread that I linked that'd be in my list, but some games would be replaced with RPGs since that's my favorite genre. Metal Gear Solid for example.

[kedawa]

I'm a big fan of fighting games, so the N64 doesn't compare to the PSX or Saturn in my eyes. Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Killer Instinct Gold and Super Smash Brothers are okay games, but other than that, the N64 has dick all for fighters.

[Malon_Forever]

and Super Smash Brothers are okay games

!!! I can't believe my eyes.

[Famidrive-16]

Great Job Kupo

[Enigmus]

I wouldn't count games like Mega Man 8 (also on Sega Saturn), MMX4 (also Saturn), or the Resident Evil games (many multisystem releases, including Saturn (RE1) and N64 (RE2) in the same generation), though, due to multiplatform release, though. Still, those are well prepared lists, even though there's a lot there I've never heard of. Might have to find those games and give them a try.

[pseudonym]

Here's 50. http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1491

I'm at work so plenty of free time so here's 51 more that aren't listed(I did quote it as "over 100.") Being that the PSX is the king of RPGs it seems a little unfair placing mostly RPGs without anything so I'll list as many good titles from other genres before I start filling it up with RPGs. If I haven't played it, it's not going to be in the list.

Alundra
Arc the Lad 2
Armored Core Master of Arena
Blood Omen Legacy of Kain
Brave Fencer Musashi
Breath of Fire 3
Brigandine Legend of Forsena(not counting extra, but Grand Edition also.)
Bushido Blade
Castlevania Chronicles
Chocobo Racing
Chocobo Dungeon 2
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Die Hard Trilogy
Dino Crisis
Dragon Warrior 7
Grandia
Gundam Battle Assault 2
Kagero Deception 2
King's Field
King's Field 2
MediEvil
Mega Man 8
Mega Man Legends
Mega Man Legends 2
Mega Man X4
Mega Man X6
Need for Speed 3 Hot Pursuit
Nightmare Creatures
Ogre Battle
Omega Boost
Parasite Eve 2
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 3
Rival Schools
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 6
SaGa Frontier 2
Soul Reaver Legacy of Kain
Spyro the Dragon
Star Ocean the Second Story
Suikoden
Syndicate Wars
Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together
Tail Concerto
Tales of Eternia
Tecmo's Deception
Tomb Raider 2
Vandal Hearts
Warcraft 2
Warhammer
Wild ARMs

List disqualified. Can't believe we're making lists to prove points now.

Both consoles are great in their own way, but the PS1 had a far greater selection of games to choose.

[kupomogli]

I wasn't going to list X6 as most people generally think it's a bad game, but I like the game and other than X4 and X, I think it's better than every other game in the series. You could replace Mega Man X6 with one of 20-30 good RPGs that haven't been listed on DPs top 50 and my additional 50(good not top) games I listed.

[The 1 2 P]

Here's 50. http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1491

It's nice to see Syphon Filter on Joe's list. That game is one of my favorites and also Sony's unofficial answer to Goldeneye on the N64. Everyone wanted a similiar 007 for the PS1 and Tomorrow Never Dies sucked. But Syphon Filter was a spy game from a different perspective that was even more enjoyable than Goldeneye was. However, I think I would have liked Goldeneye alot more if it came out on a system with a better controller.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Omega Boost is worth 20 N64 carts by itself.

[Rob2600]

Top 50 and Bottom 25 Nintendo 64 games list

[Swamperon]

I'm seeing a distinct lack of Azure Dreams and Harvest Moon: Back to Nature on those lists!

[Aussie2B]

I'm not saying it doesn't have gameplay at all. But the vast majority of what I hear about Mario 64 and why it's so great is everything but the gameplay.

Take, as a quick example, Gamespot's original review. It's a decent length. At no time does he even mention level design. He spends most of the review talking about its "worlds" and how "immersive" it is. This is, in my experience, typical. Super Mario 64: it's not a game, it's an experience.

You're really splitting hairs here. Every game is an "experience". Some are good experiences, some are bad experiences. "World" can be used in the exact same way as "stage/level/board/etc." and used to talk about level design without flat-out using the term "level design". "Immersive" encapsulates a lot of things. It can be referring to the graphics, the music, the atmosphere, or even addictive gameplay sucking the player into the game.

You really think Descent and Destruction Derby are dreck? You think they're roughly the same quality as Shadows of the Empire?

They may not be the best games ever, but they were both innovative, and they're both pretty fun. I've never heard anyone blast those games. What didn't you like about them?

Yes, I do. When have you heard anyone say ANYTHING about those games in the last 15 years? They've both been forgotten because they deserve to be forgotten. Descent is instant nausea and Destruction Derby is a generic car combat game that was only successful in its time because 1) driving cars and smashing them up is a 13-year-old boy's dream come true, and 2) like with Shadows of the Empire, there were slim pickings.

My preferred 3D platformer on PSX was Ape Escape actually. But I can't argue that it wasn't a great system for the genre. Then again, I think most 3D platformers of that era, including on N64, were pretty sloppy.

But that's really the inverse of what I was saying about N64. "You must like X" is a bigger problem than "if you do like X, you won't get it", because most people like more than one or two genres.

No, it's the same thing. One system is good with one genre while the other is not so good. Pick your genre and the systems. It's not a necessity to like 3D platformers to like the N64, but, in my own opinion, it is kind of missing the point. It would be like owning an NES without liking 2D platformers. Sure, there's plenty of other awesome stuff, but not playing Mario, Mega Man, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Adventure Island, etc.? It would be like ordering a banana split and only eat the banana.

That's a close call IMO. For multiplayer, N64 definitely wins, but for someone focused just on single player, the Playstation is probably just as good. I thought the N64 releases of Quake, Doom, and Duke Nukem were all let-downs.

Those are all popular releases, though. And the Turok games were as well. And most of those, as well as Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, have well-love single player modes.

I'm not really sure what the point is of going down this road. If we kept playing the "if you like genre X" game, N64 would come out looking much worse.

You're making the assumption that I have any interest in making one system look better or worse than another. This all started by looking at the N64's launch and looking at other launches from that time period. If you're jonesing for a system war, that's your prerogative, but I don't have much interest in that. My simple stance is that, historically, the PlayStation launch has largely been forgotten and that I would, by far, rather play Super Mario 64 than those very early PlayStation games, which I feel is a sentiment that most gamers would agree with.

I think it's true that, say, Battle Arena Toshinden has been justly forgotten (and I loathed that game from the very beginning). Ridge Racer and Tekken were both pure hype too. But I think Jumping Flash!, WipEout, Rayman, Discworld, Warhawk, NBA Jam T.E. (though not specifically the PSX version), and yes, even Destruction Derby and Descent, are still fondly remembered. When Warhawk was announced for PS3, a lot of people were excited about it. So the original wasn't forgotten. (And then when it was released, it was a big disappointment, but that's beside the point.)

Your tastes seem quite opposite from the typical gamer. I would imagine that of all of those games, most people would pick Toshinden, Ridge Racer, and Tekken as the best of that bunch. The last two have the most long-lasting legacy at least. Not that I'm saying I agree with most gamers, but I'm not about to confuse my own personal opinions with how the general consensus feels (like how I brought up Final Fantasy VII previously as a highly respected and frequently played PlayStation game, despite that I don't care for it at all). If you honestly think gamers are still frequently talking about and playing stuff like Discworld, Destruction Derby, and Descent, then you're just delusional. Those games wish they could get the attention that Super Mario 64 gets for its pinky finger.

That's not what I was talking about. I used the past tense and you're talking about today. "PlayStation collectors" is a pretty small number of people.

Seriously? How many members does Digital Press have? How many of those have PlayStation collections? How many other collectors exist on other sites? I use "collectors" because most people that would still be playing PS1 would be game collectors. Although that doesn't mean they need to have large collections.

And you keep trying to switch the conversation to whatever you think suits your argument, just like how you pulled it off the launch day. The argument was how those launches and those games are viewed now. If you want to look at when they were new, it's still not going to work for you because Super Mario 64 was WAY more popular and loved back then too.

[kupomogli]

I'm seeing a distinct lack of Azure Dreams and Harvest Moon: Back to Nature on those lists!

And Bloody Roar, Bloody Roar 2, Wild ARMs 2, Suikoden 2, etc. I was only picking 51 good games to show that there are more than 100. The fact that there are still a lot of great games not up there even after the list of 100 really shows how many good titles the PSX has for it.

[JSoup]

Omega Boost is worth 20 N64 carts by itself.

I never actually got to play the full version of that game. The demo I have kicking around somewhere is crazy amounts of fun.

[Kyle15]

Zelda on N64 you walk around for days, doing naught except for walking into fog.

Sounds like you played something entirely different then the Ocarina of Time I know.

[Gameguy]

If you honestly think gamers are still frequently talking about and playing stuff like Discworld, Destruction Derby, and Descent, then you're just delusional. Those games wish they could get the attention that Super Mario 64 gets for its pinky finger.

What's wrong with Discworld? If nobody still cares about it then why do copies still sell for $20-$40? I would have mentioned it for the Playstation earlier but I have it for the PC instead, both versions still sell for a decent amount of money. I'd rather play Discworld than Super Mario 64. I agree with Descent though, and Destruction Derby is also on the N64 so it shouldn't really count for this system comparison.

[Rob2600]

I'd rather play Discworld than Super Mario 64. I agree with Descent though, and Destruction Derby is also on the N64 so it shouldn't really count for this system comparison.

According to psx.ign.com: and gamespot.com

Descent - 7.0
Destruction Derby - 7.0
Discworld - 7.0

Super Mario 64 - 9.5

So, yeah.