Uhh no, I'm not wrong, and I'm usually not you fool. MS propagated a lot of the problems, I'm not saying they created them.

You can choose to try and discredit me with your opinions and falsehoods, have at it. I'm not going to play into the trap. Sure, everyone didn't pay full price for xbox live on any of their systems. Keep telling yourself that. Because you haven't since you were smart enough to shop clearances or get online gift cards or whatever, a lot of people don't. They just find a card of the shelf or they run the credit card through the system. I never said that MS owned Sony, you're making up more stuff. MS started the model on consoles, and Sony decided to copy it as it was an easy extra revenue stream. I'm hardly a Sony fan, I just don't dislike them like microsoft. Historically a NIntendo one, and I'm fairly fed up with them too after their last 2 consoles.

Fact is I don't pay for ps+ and I likely never will. I see no value in paying for online multiplayer, and I don't have the time to get the money out of the free monthly games Sony throws out there either so this whole argument is fairly pointless. I wasn't taken with it when they announced it, was more offended by it since I had the PS3 at the time. I took the freebie months they gave me then let it go.