Fair enough, one head case tossing another under the bus I guess is fair game. They're both just full of equal parts shit and themselves and must be the center of attention or things get weird.
Fair enough, one head case tossing another under the bus I guess is fair game. They're both just full of equal parts shit and themselves and must be the center of attention or things get weird.
FWIW I just received issue 10 of RETRO today!
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm donating the full amount of my next paycheck towards the Chameleon.
Me too. There is an ad for the Coleco Chameleon Kickstarter on the second to last page of the issue. I uploaded a scan to Atariage but I won't hotlink it here to save Albert the bandwidth because the image is large.Originally Posted by Greg2600
Here is a direct link to the post I made:
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247...ons/?p=3443523
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Wow issue 10? They're behind right? It may literally RETRO by the time they wish to get out all the promised issues.
Another crappy issue. I flipped through it in 3 minutes and didn't read a single page. Nothing grabbed my interest. Bland layouts as usual. Zero NES, SNES or Genesis coverage (what I was hoping to see when supporting). We did get a piece on Halo though, because Halo is super "retro." Awful.Wow issue 10? They're behind right? It may literally RETRO by the time they wish to get out all the promised issues.
Yup issue 10 when they should be on issue 13. Mike promised last year to catch up and have issue 12 out by December 2015. I wasn't surprised when he failed to deliver, pardon the pun.
To be fair, the original Halo is about as old now as the original Zelda was when Halo came out. And I'm pretty sure Zelda was "retro" in 2001.
Perhaps we're at a point when new names are needed? Some thing of retro after a date, many others think it's age + non-3D in style since the type game between the two is very different.
Kind of pointless, really. Add more terminology and watch people argue over those words in a decade just like today. It's just something we have to deal with. Gen X and Y were spoiled by the fact that we got in on the ground floor so felt like authorities on what counts as "old" in what was effectively a brand new industry. That's not entirely our call anymore when babies born alongside the PS2 are learning to drive now. Whenever I hear 30 and 40 somethings bitch about 10+ year old shit not being old enough to count as retro, I think these people have forgetten just how fast the turnover was from console to console, with a good bit of "get off my lawn" for good measure.
Well you could say the same with comics and old baseball cards, and then we got the stuff broken up into golden age, silver, and modern since eventually certain styles were solidly set other than color/print quality.
Perhaps the pre-3D systems should be golden, silver for the earlier than life-like 3D boxes, and then when you hit the PS3 type era it's just old games as time goes on. But you're right, it's splitting hairs and people will battle over it at least for a time and some for good. I don't much appreciate the get off my lawn types anyway, just kind of need to shut up or go away if they're that bent out of shape over it. I may not appreciate much of what is made today due to the emphasis on a few semi or completely mindless genres getting the limelight, but I do find things I really can get into, just less, and I think that's a good thing because it gives more time with the game just like being a kid with an allowance you do with what you got and play the crap out of it (or get rid of it and use the funds to replace it in time.)
True. I was just venting my general overall dissatisfaction with what I hoped the magazine would be. It lacks the spirit of a good gaming magazine. It feels sterile and considering the long delays, you just expect it to be more than what it is. Delay us AND put out a lackluster product? Shame.
May I suggest the mag I produced a while back? We stopped only because of not enough staff to write articles. I am also looking for writers (site and mag) and pay if anyone knows how to throw together some interesting content.
http://retrogamingmagazine.com/buy-rgm/
I will be back in a bit (date night) with some discussion on the Chameleon. Those Kickstarter tiers are stupid.
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Thanks Triverse. I need to check yours out. I seriously doubt there will be a year three even if they finish issue twelve. Retro magazine (brought to you by the creators of Chameleon) is a big fucking mess, pardon my french.
Chameleon, on the other hand, passes beyond absurd, far beyond even ludicrus. I honestly don't think a single word adjective exists to describe it!
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Yeah, as bad as RVGS was... They have outdone themselves this time. RETRO also introduced a new editor in chief. I believe that marks the third new editor in ten issues. Yikes. Also, whatever happened to Ed Semrad? He was on board early on and one of the reasons I placed my faith in the Kickstarter. Now he's gone and so are the large variety of longtime industry insiders. Meh. No excuse being that ho hum when you spend 4-5 months on an issue.
Ed Semrad, and many of other industry veterans bailed around issue 4 to 6, if they made it that long. Not counting the high turn over rate of the editors, they have really lost a lot of talent in the mag. Shame too as, whether we like it or not, RETRO Mag is the torch bearer or the retro scene as far as magazines go thanks to their success on Kickstarter.
Coleco Chameleon, Coleco Holdings and the Real Coleco, because you deserve to know.
Triverse if you're looking to resurrect that magazine of yours online and need a writer I may be able to assist as I did it for a few years last decade for the Advanced Media Network, which reformed into Kombo (which has since been bought and reorganized by another group so the old data is gone unfortunately.)
Also in general, on the whole deal with RETRO magazine from the Karma Chameleon crew (burnt karma that is) I've never trusted that crap. I'm sorry, but fine you needed A kickstarter to get going, but if you're so badly managing your money and your resources that you need to panhandle a second year worth of print, you need to stop. The fact they found (sorry) enough chumps and suckers to help them write off another year despite also trying to directly (as one should only do) peddle their magazine directly to consumers and failing should have been writing on the wall clear enough for the 'See Spot Run' type of readers to know it's time to walk away. RETRO deserves no extra funding without directly earning it nor do they deserve a third year in print without being reorganized properly to stand and survive on its own, and if it can't, it needs a final good-bye issue and be done with it.
If they can't even get bimonthly issues out on time (#10 should have been the december issue with their star wars focus) then time to fold the towel. Also I tried to give Game Gavel a try on several occasions, a few times I shopped for games and the selection was paltry with maybe a few dozen games total for less popular systems and very little of it good stuff.
But at least Game Gavel was legit and didn't pretend to be something it's not. Retro mag never wowed me and rarely covered any homebrew developments or other stuff. But RVGS/Chameleon is a downright sham. It's so bad, they'll be hard pressed to attract any customers for future endeavors.
I didn't want to drag Game Gavel into it because it may be limited and it may be small, but it works more or less. I've tried to sell a few times before and every time I got no bites, but I also wasn't doing what the site seems to have been forced into, specialty stuff. Trying to peddle common US release carts on there just doesn't work, rarities, or perceived rarities(games made expensive by fools) they'll move yet I can't speak if they would as well as ebay with the highest bid with a low user base compared. I have bought from it a couple times, from Japanese importers as I got some fun GB games cheaper and faster than ebay would have done. GG I think is good and needs to exist, and it has had some high profile rarities hit the news like protoypes or one of those boxed Stadium Events games too, but anything else it seems this guy has touched has turned to garbage in short order.
Maybe a better way to spend his time and money would be to make GG more public, more welcoming, and a damn good sight with a lot more users where any gamer can feel free to peddle or buy free of ebay. That would be a good service and help clean his name and rep up I think to a degree.
Yeah but didn't Mike Kennedy just pay off Chase the Chuck Wagon and slap his logo on their pre-built infostructure? Although having two competing sites for the same niche audience was pointless and merging the two communities was the best possible move for both parties involved.
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