E3: NINTENDO (Revolution and more)

[crazyjackcsa]

On the rom subject: I'm not willing to go through all the hassle of numerous bad links, pop ups, compatibility problems, Frame rate issues and graphically glitches that ROMS are famous for. If they offer games for download at a decent price with none of that, you can beleive that I'd do it.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

dude who would ever pay for music and download it to there computer when they could just bust out the radio and get it for free?


That's completely different and you know it. The main reason the Ipod and similar products sell so well is because you can store alot if not all your CD's into one miniature and portable device. Plus if you burn your own MP3's you don't have to pay a thing.

Look, I'm not saying that being able to download past Nintendo classic into one machine isn't a cool idea and that I'm not looking foward to the Revolution.. because I'm all for it. However, it's not as if these games weren't attainable before or anything, I mean alot of those roms you could download or transfer to a Microsoft machine or even a Dreamcast. I just don't see the big deal about it.

[Mac-Abre]

I have not watched the press conference but did they say every NES, SNES or N64 title or just the official Nintendo licenses specifically?

[PC-Famicom64]

I have not watched the press conference but did they say every NES, SNES or N64 title or just the official Nintendo licenses specifically?Every "Official" Nintendo Game. :D

[Avatard]

Heh, were you expecting bubble bath babes?

And personally I hate roms, they are aggrivating, my jump button keeps pausing them, and save states are for cheaters LOL . This new way to play them looks great even though I own most of the ones I want to play anyhow.

[Goblin]

I'm actually rather impressed with Nintendo. I don't think that will be the number 1 player during this next cycle, but with the size of the revolution I think they have got a decent chance to be number 2. I think many will buy it for the cute factor, and if it's truly backwards with all the old systems then the nostalgia buffs will pick one up too. How many no-gamers picked up Atari Flashbacks on an impulse. I can see the nostalgia factor psuhing many mainstream buyers towards Nintendo.

[PC-Famicom64]

Heh, were you expecting bubble bath babes?Heck No! >_<

[Griking]

Does anyone else foresee the catalog of classic games having a huge impact on demand and prices of the original cartridges?

Yeah, big time. I say everyone should quickly run out ans sell off all their NES and SNES carts before the crash. :D

Actually, I don't see that much of an impact. The people who pay big money for games like Stadium Events, Flintstones 2, Cheetahmen 2, etc... don't do so just because they want to play the games, they want to own the original cart

[evilmess]

it may not be to "smoking gun" we were all hoping for but I could imagine downloading some golden eye and playing that with my son or even having mario kart 64 installed for my son and his friends who play it all the time anyway. this is not something you can easily or comfortably do on your pc in most cases.

another scenario would be to have tetris or some other classic installed for my wife who doesn't have any interest in sitting at the pc and firing up some emu and playing roms.

the download feature is a nice added value to the revolution and a convienience no matter what your gaming level is.

One nintendo console (with wireless controllers) instead of five (each w/ wired controllers) on the family tv will be very appealing to quite a few gamers. yeah I like that idea very much. :P

[Griking]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

I'd say that the average person doesn't want to be bothered with having to mod their Xbox to play emulators. Besides, classic collections like the Activision and Midway ones still sell well despite the fact that you can play the games on an emulator.

I don't understand all the criticism about this. The way I look at it is that giving the Revolution ability to play older games probably doesn't cost anything extra for Nintendo but it has the ability generate tons of extra revenue for them. And for those who don't want to play old games simple, don't download them. I'm sure that there will be plenty of new games to keep you occupied.

[Wavelflack]

Is this supposed to be one of the revolutionary aspects of the system? This is a software concept. What does this have to do with the hardware whatsoever?

I guess it's a nice extra, but I personally have access to all of the Nintendo back catalog that I will ever want. That's the game collector speaking. As for everyone else? I can't imagine why someone would spring for a new console in order to play games from older consoles.

The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

[Drexel923]

Is this supposed to be one of the revolutionary aspects of the system? This is a software concept. What does this have to do with the hardware whatsoever?

I guess it's a nice extra, but I personally have access to all of the Nintendo back catalog that I will ever want. That's the game collector speaking. As for everyone else? I can't imagine why someone would spring for a new console in order to play games from older consoles.

The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

I don't think anyone is saying that this is the "Revolutionary" part of the system. The problem is that Nintendo only showed the console itself and mentioned maybe 2 features (not even in detail)...no controller, no games, no in depth review. We really have no idea what this systems can or cannot do. Unfortunately it's all still speculation, even at a time (E3) when things are supposed to be made known.

That aside...I think the stuff they have said so far about the system is all good...we just need to hear the rest of the story.

[Anthony1]

first, I just want to say that I've always been a huge fan of Nintendo. My mom bought me a NES back in the day, I bought a SNES the day it came out, got a N64 the day it came out, got a GameCube the day it came out. So I've always been a pretty big fan of Nintendo.

In fact, my favorite system of all time is the Super Nintendo. I have more games for the SNES than any other system. I imagine that I will be playing my SNES till the day I die.



Now, having said all of that, let me comment on this Nintendo press conference:


Nintendo is lost. They don't have a clue. You would think they would have learned from all of their countless mistakes, but it seems like they are just so damn stubborn and they still think they are running things in this industry. But they aren't. They haven't controlled the industry since the NES. They were very powerfull in the SNES days, but they were basically neck and neck with Sega and they weren't in control of the industry like they were in the NES days. In the NES days it was total domination and they ruled the Industry with an Iron Fist. Then came the N64 and the horrible decision to stick with the cartridge format. Then they come out with the Cube and again they go with a proprietary format and incredibly weak 3rd party support.


The bottom line is that the Nintendo that is currently running things, is a Nintendo that I don't know anymore, and I can't understand anymore. They keep putting out the same old crap over and over and over.

Again, I don't want people to get this twisted. I'm a huge fan of Nintendo, or at least I was a huge fan, and the SNES is my favorite system of all time. If you look at my top 10 games of all time, I would say that 6 of the 10 are games made on Nintendo systems, and most of those 6 are games made by Nintendo themselves.

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

[Famidrive-16]

Am I the only one impressed by Battalion Wars? That game looks great, and I'm glad they changed the name.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

I'd say that the average person doesn't want to be bothered with having to mod their Xbox to play emulators. Besides, classic collections like the Activision and Midway ones still sell well despite the fact that you can play the games on an emulator.

I don't understand all the criticism about this. The way I look at it is that giving the Revolution ability to play older games probably doesn't cost anything extra for Nintendo but it has the ability generate tons of extra revenue for them. And for those who don't want to play old games simple, don't download them. I'm sure that there will be plenty of new games to keep you occupied.


I guess so.. but it still isn't the "Revolution" I had in mind. I thought that maybe Nintendo would try something innovative or exciting like with the DS or Virtual Boy, but instead it just gives you the opition to download old games which I'll probably be able to do with the other 2 new systems anyways.



The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

Exactly. Maybe it'll impress people for now but I don't really see this taking off.


But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

I think you're jumping the gun a little here. Yes, maybe the backword compatibility isn't what you had in mind, but I have no doubt that Nintendo will deliver another high qulity system and games.

[Anthony1]

Yeah I know my comment about ...


They Suck.


Was a little over the top, I mean I do love Nintendo, at least Nintendo of the past, but man was I dissapointed in their press conference. I was really hoping that Nintendo would come out of nowhere and make a huge comeback into the industry, (from a home console standpoint) but it definitely looks as though this isn't the case.

Their system looks like a freaking cable modem or external harddrive or something, not very good in my opinion. It does look small, and I guess that's a good thing, but where is the video of upcoming Revolution games? Where is the controller?

I was expecting to see pics of Revolution games all over the internet today, but that didn't happen. I wonder if their system is actually even ready?


As for their tiny GameBoy, that will be great for anybody under the age of 8, or if you have the smallest hands in the world, but for anybody else, I just don't see it. I will probably get one for my 5 year old though.

[joshnickerson]

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

Ya gotta love the optimism of these "fans". LOL

[PDorr3]

Am I the only one impressed by Battalion Wars? That game looks great, and I'm glad they changed the name.

I am also glad they changed the game to RTS format as well. I like strategy games, but I feel more involved when I can actualy control my troops in real time.

I wonder how they will work out controller issues with dealing with older nintendo systems. How will we play n64 games on this system ? with what controller?

[Wavelflack]

Drexel: This is what seems to be generating the most discussion, and very little seems to be of the critical variety.

I was personally excited when rumors of a VR enabled system were floating about. I suppose this has not been categorically discounted by Nintendo, but I would think they would want to blow everyone's socks off with their "revolutionary" aspects. If they feel that the catalog plan is worthy of inclusion in their press releases and statements, then they must feel it is a highpoint of the system.

Besides, I'm starting to feel like this is the ultimate Nintendo rehashing plan.

(Nintendo suit)--"Okay! Now, you are probably familiar with our corporate strategy of expoiting past successes in order to overcome our recent lack of innovation. To this end, you will develop the following products for our next console:
Mario Party 8
Mario Golf 3
Mario Tennis 3
Mario Bowling
Mario Jai Alai
Mario Candyland
Metroid 3
Zelda 12
Clu Clu Land 2
Ultra Mach Rider
Kirby's Suck Off
Super Teleroboxer"

(Nintendo R&D)-- "Goddamn, man. That's a lot of work. It's not just the effort of making 3D versions, but also having to fool yourself into thinking you haven't completely reused the storyline and mechanics from the OLD game. That's a full time job."

(Nintendo suit)-- "Fine, then. Why don't YOU come up with something new?"

(Nintendo R&D) *chuckles*

(Nintendo suit)-- "Alright then. Any other brilliant thoughts?"

(Nintendo R&D)--"Fuck it. Why don't we just upload the old games into a big-ass server and let them buy 'em again? This 'new' thing is a fucking hassle."

(Nintendo suit)--"Not bad."

[Drexel923]

Drexel: This is what seems to be generating the most discussion, and very little seems to be of the critical variety.

I was personally excited when rumors of a VR enabled system were floating about. I suppose this has not been categorically discounted by Nintendo, but I would think they would want to blow everyone's socks off with their "revolutionary" aspects. If they feel that the catalog plan is worthy of inclusion in their press releases and statements, then they must feel it is a highpoint of the system.

Besides, I'm starting to feel like this is the ultimate Nintendo rehashing plan.

(Nintendo suit)--"Okay! Now, you are probably familiar with our corporate strategy of expoiting past successes in order to overcome our recent lack of innovation. To this end, you will develop the following products for our next console:
Mario Party 8
Mario Golf 3
Mario Tennis 3
Mario Bowling
Mario Jai Alai
Mario Candyland
Metroid 3
Zelda 12
Clu Clu Land 2
Ultra Mach Rider
Kirby's Suck Off
Super Teleroboxer"

(Nintendo R&D)-- "Goddamn, man. That's a lot of work. It's not just the effort of making 3D versions, but also having to fool yourself into thinking you haven't completely reused the storyline and mechanics from the OLD game. That's a full time job."

(Nintendo suit)-- "Fine, then. Why don't YOU come up with something new?"

(Nintendo R&D) *chuckles*

(Nintendo suit)-- "Alright then. Any other brilliant thoughts?"

(Nintendo R&D)--"Fuck it. Why don't we just upload the old games into a big-ass server and let them buy 'em again? This 'new' thing is a fucking hassle."

(Nintendo suit)--"Not bad."

Well if your just realizing this now, I think you've been blind too long.

Nintendo, just like Sony and Microsoft, are 90% about the sequals and rehashes. Look at the games announced so far for the Xbox 360 launch and the PS3...Metal Gear, DMC, Ghost Recon, Gran Turismo, GTA etc. I don't really see much of a difference between the pumping of those franchises and the tons of Mario games, except that Mario has been around longer so of course he has more games.

And I still think your missing the point on the downloadable stuff...I don't think it's Nintendo's selling point for the console...I look at it the same way I approach Xbox 360's Arcade feature, where you basically download old arcade games or solitaire...it's a bonus.

But let me say again that I do think Nintendo should have shown/told us more. Not sure if it was technically possible, but it would help clear up this confusion on why we should actually give a damn about the Revolution. (of course like I said I'm still buying it :))

[Crush Crawfish]

I'm so incredibly, ridiculously excited for the revolution! It's the only one of the new systems that has gotten me interested. I love the idea of being able to download old games, but I wonder if it will be all the releases for the systems or just nintendo's games? Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to license all those games for distribution?

The whole free online thing is another excellent move. Oh, and after hearing that wi-fi smash bros. will be a launch title, I AM SOLD!!!! :D

Now, I wonder what the controller will look like...perhaps it will be the most revolutionary component of the revolution? Time will tell, I suppose. The anticipation is killing me!! @_@

[PDorr3]

I'm so incredibly, ridiculously excited for the revolution! It's the only one of the new systems that has gotten me interested. I love the idea of being able to download old games, but I wonder if it will be all the releases for the systems or just nintendo's games? Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to license all those games for distribution?

The whole free online thing is another excellent move. Oh, and after hearing that wi-fi smash bros. will be a launch title, I AM SOLD!!!! :D

Now, I wonder what the controller will look like...perhaps it will be the most revolutionary component of the revolution? Time will tell, I suppose. The anticipation is killing me!! @_@

I would guess the controller is why it is named the "revolution". Nothing to show of it, so it must be something HUGE.

[Wavelflack]

I've realized this since about 1993 (concerning Nintendo), but I guess I assumed a "revolution" would try to buck the trend.

I understand the point of the back library availability, and I also would equate it to Xbox arcade. I don't remember MS ever holding a press conference, touting their arcade as a selling point or even something to brag about.

I get the feeling that some of the starry eyed people around here would find something/ anything about the machine to get excited about, even if it had to be the shape of the eject button or the brand of dielectric grease used inside. Gotta have higher standards.

[Drexel923]

I understand the point of the back library availability, and I also would equate it to Xbox arcade. I don't remember MS ever holding a press conference, touting their arcade as a selling point or even something to brag about.

They do in their E3 conference they held last night. Maybe not as much as Nintendo but they still mention it.


I get the feeling that some of the starry eyed people around here would find something/ anything about the machine to get excited about, even if it had to be the shape of the eject button or the brand of dielectric grease used inside. Gotta have higher standards.

Of course everything is always different for everyone. Like I said before, at the end of each cycle, I can say that I've never been dissapointed with a Ninendo system...sure there were certain things that bugged me, but some people absolutely hate them. Thats fine...no problem if you or anyone feels that way.

And of course there are some blind fanboys out there that will try and find the smallest thing to justify a Nintendo system being the best, but I don't think there are a ton of us here. I'm not going to repeat the reasons why I think the Revolution is "shaping up" to be a good console, but I will say once again that all of us need to give it some more time, and get some more details first.

[AFGiant]

Whatever Nintendo does I will support them 100%. But as of right now, I've got so much gaming backed up that I can barely follow the coverage, let alone think about playing these games. I need about, say 20 more hours in each day! Yeah, that'd be nice. I like the idea of downloadable libraries. It offers opportunities to play old games without roms (which I do not and have never used) and to discover old gems that you've past over before. Also I like the look. Way to go, Big N!

[Sanriostar]

I wonder if there's a way to talk N into making the original arcade games availible, using thier original code: not the NES versions...

[Sanriostar]

"Pay no attention to the double post behind the curtain!"

[evilmess]

first and foremost i buy nintendo hardware to play nintendo software. nintendo even claims that they are a content company.

their hardware is only a means to play their content.

right now i'm leaning toward the ps3 as my first console of the next generation but nintendo is a really close second and they haven't even given out all the details about the revolution but it's their past, present and future content properties that have me so intrigued and ready to buy a revolution.

[grayrobertos]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

[Goblin]

Any thoughts on the Game Boy Micro? While not really "new" I think this thing is great, and will probably go out and pre-order one. I've never done that with a piece of HW, although I did pick up the original GBC on the first day.

I hate the look and feel of the SP and stuck with my original after burner moded GBA. Now I'll be able to give that a break. My only fear is that maybe this thing is too small and might hurt to hold after a while.

[Bratwurst]

Any thoughts on the Game Boy Micro?

Until I see one in person to consider otherwise I'm disappointed that the screen is going to be even smaller than before. My eyes aren't the best and I had been holding out against getting an SP -knowing- that Nintendo would cough up another Gameboy iteration. If it runs on standard batteries unlike the DS and SP which have proprietary pieces, it'd be more appealing.

[Drexel923]

If it runs on standard batteries unlike the DS and SP which have proprietary pieces, it'd be more appealing.

Sorry to dissapoint, but its also a built in rechargeable battery in this one.

There'd be really no room for batteries...according to IGN the unit is only 4 X 2 inches with about a 1 in depth.

[grayrobertos]

why wud u want baterys?

[YoshiM]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

Yep, everyone is getting their underoos in a wad because of self-developed hype. People seem to have generated such high expectations of Nintendo that they set themselves up for disappointment, no matter what cool things Nintendo offers up. Are these the same people who kinda got burned with connectivity (hmmmm...I think a "told you so" is almost in order)?

Does it matter that Nintendo isn't building the Revolution spec-for-spec equal to or better than the others? Are people still brainwashed over the concept of the past of "more bits is better" or "blast processing"?

Personally I'm very interested. I'm not a Sony supporter and the Xbox 360 really hasn't grabbed me at all so the promise of something "new" in control, a lot of stuff built in for GAMING (512MB storage, wireless network, etc. I could care less about DVD playback and such) and the ability to acquire games from the past definitely has my attention.

[goatdan]

A few comments:

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

Most people would rather not deal with emulation. Hell, I would rather not deal with emulation. I like the feel of a controller, and I like my TV. I bought games like the Atari Anniversary Collection just because I could play them there, even though I could download emulators for free. I would be happy to pay a couple bucks to download Super Mario Brothers 3 so I didn't have to bust out my NES every year to play it.

And if you don't want the games, you don't have to have them.

Personally, it sounds like a win-win situation.

Just as clarification too, I am pretty sure that this will only be for games that Nintendo themselves produced and published. So we'll get things like Excitebike and Earthbound, but we won't get things like Mortal Kombat and Turok. At least, that's what it seems like it will be to me.

Personally, I think Nintendo's press conference was one of the most impressive ones. They haven't shown their whole hand yet, but it seems like they are on their way. If their free online services rival Xbox Live, then Microsoft is going to have a really tough time selling Live to gamers for a price.

It will be interesting...

[Avenger]

i have 2 things to say about the revolution and excuse me if they have already been said, but hell, this topic is 5 pages already....

They are both about the downloading Roms:

1. Unless Nintendo is REALLY REALLY stupid, the Roms will be free...They KNOW its possible to download them free for PC, and Xbox,(with a modchip) and soon to be on the psp for free also...so FREE ROMS is the only way to go, a dollar a game is too much for something that the people who actually care enough to want these games, ALREADY HAVE. This is just a great idea they are throwin out here but it needs to be free or it won't work.

2.Im a bit conserned because these E3 people are all about the wording...he said Nintendos catalog of games from NES SNES and N64....does that mean only the Nintendo released games, or EVERY game released for the system...if its every game (im not sure about this) wouldnt they have to, for example, pay RARE to have the Goldeneye Rom...etc...etc...

this is just my opinion....all in all i LOVE the idea, but im not deleting my ROMS yet until i get more facts here...

[Daniel Thomas]

I'm sure that if Nintendo's idea of downloading old games proves a success, other publishers would follow suit. The first thing I'd want to get is Contra and River City Ransom from the NES.

The question, then, is what happens to the games published by now-defunct companies? I'll take it as a given that Tengen Tetris is out of the picture.

More questions: will we have to pay? The romantic in me likes the idea of endless free games from yesteryear, but Nintendo's most likely going to charge for it. Does Revolution have a hard drive for storage, or is that what the flash memory is for?

Apparantly, tomorrow's the day when all the big surprises come due. Controllers, hardware details, videos of upcoming games. Will it live up to the hype? Perhaps, although as of now, I'm much more interested in wireless DS games.

[Gamereviewgod]

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

The big problem here is that Nintendo blew their press conference and the biggest thing to come out of it is a prototype system that, considering they showed zero new game footage, is a system that as of right now, only plays games you can download for free. Their other announcement is another Game Boy Advance making it the fourth console that can play the same games.

Where as Sony showed off amazing game footage that makes you think what it could be like and Microsoft is trying a unique online service, Nintendo is banking on Super Mario on the NES to carry them through this E3. That's just stupid.

[Gamereviewgod]

Also, there's no way they're going to offer every game. They can't get the licenses to a good chunk of games. What about all those Spiderman games? Movie based games? There's a sizable chunk gone right there. There's no way around the legality of this. It's a pipe dream. First party games: No problem. Everything else: Probably ain't gonna happen.

[goatdan]

I really doubt these ROMs will be free. Otherwise the Revolution will be a revolution for having the lowest software sell-through rate ever in the history of consoles. If I could get every GameCube game on the Revolution for free, why bother buying one ever again?

There will be a cost associated with it. It is up to Nintendo to decide if it will be reasonable or not.

[Griking]

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

The big problem here is that Nintendo blew their press conference and the biggest thing to come out of it is a prototype system that, considering they showed zero new game footage, is a system that as of right now, only plays games you can download for free. Their other announcement is another Game Boy Advance making it the fourth console that can play the same games.

Where as Sony showed off amazing game footage that makes you think what it could be like and Microsoft is trying a unique online service, Nintendo is banking on Super Mario on the NES to carry them through this E3. That's just stupid.


Translation: You think that Nintendo sucks and Sony walks on water. :roll: I suppose we're not trying to be at all partial any more, are we?

Are for the Nintendo rom thing, this is just my opinion but if I had to guess I'd guess that Nintendo would create some sort of subscription based payment system. I dont believe that the roms will be free but at the same time I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to have to process a zillion $.50 and $1.00 credit card transactions either. They'll probably be bundled in with some other content that you can download from their servers and demand a $20 or so a month subscription.

[Gamereviewgod]

Yeah, that's it.

No. I own a 'Cube. I own 2 GBA's. I own a DS. The simple fact is Nintendo blew their chance. They showed me, as a die hard gamer, absolutely nothing as to what they're going to provide me with in this generation other than 20-year old games I already own.

Sony did exactly that and did it in a big way, simple as that.

What came from Nintendo? A fourth GBA and the ability to play games I already have, likely own, or can get elsewhere. Big deal. Either show your hand now or lose. Their conference came off as so secretive (sp?). Everytime a big announcement was made, from Miyamoto's new game to the controller, it was :

"But not right now."

You get one shot a year at this. 360 will be playable on the show floor. Sony showed the most amazing graphics demo ever. Nintendo shows me Mario Bros. on the NES. That's stupid.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Translation: You think that Nintendo sucks and Sony walks on water. :roll: I suppose we're not trying to be at all partial any more, are we?


That is hardly the case. Look, I'm sure Gamereviewgod and Wavelflack are both hardcore Nintendo fans and have been for years, hell I am too. However, I really can't justify what's so great about about being able to play roms on the revolution. Especially if you have to pay to actually play them. Call me jaded about it if you want but I'd rather spend money on games I don't own then spend money on roms I could play for free on a PC, Xbox, GBA, DS, Dreamcast, GP32, PSP, ect.

[poopnes]

Are for the Nintendo rom thing, this is just my opinion but if I had to guess I'd guess that Nintendo would create some sort of subscription based payment system. I dont believe that the roms will be free but at the same time I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to have to process a zillion $.50 and $1.00 credit card transactions either. They'll probably be bundled in with some other content that you can download from their servers and demand a $20 or so a month subscription.

Yea that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm not willing to pay $20 though. $10 a month max. Maybe they'll do a once a year thing like Xbox Live? If they expect me to pay individually for games that I don't technically own (they mentioned their own DRM was going to be used, so I imagine the games will be locked to each individual console) they're crazy. I'd be more than willing to pay $5 for a disc but not a download.

Overall...yea Nintendo blew it. But I'm a terrible Nintendo fanboy so I'm excited. Animal Crossing DS...ONLINE!!!! I have to buy a DS now. Then there's the new Zelda, which I wasn't looking forward to until I saw the E3 trailer. Then there's the new Mario for the DS, Fire Emblem for both the GC and GBA, DDR Mario Mix (awesome!), a new Kirby and more like Geist and Mario Baseball. I was disappointed at first because there just wasn't enough about the Revolution, but then I saw all the great new games coming out THIS YEAR (well, probably) and I'm pretty satisfied now. I really wish they would have shown more, but this is Nintendo we're talking about. They're making baby steps though.

GB Micro? Looks cool, and I agree make it cheap, GBpocket is my favorite GB ever so I might be biased (they're related, mostly).

The "left" side of the Rev has a door that reveals GC controller/memory card ports. Mystery solved.
http://nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_7l.jpg
Source: NoJ website.

[Jasoco]

I am most impressed by Nintendo.

The Game Boy Micro was a surprise. It's not a new Game Boy Advance or a GBA2. It's an extension of the GBA as it is. Doesn't matter. I think the Micro signals the end of the GB era and the beginning of the DS era... Unless they decide to release the GBA2 next year. Whatever. The portable line isn't my concern right now (With the exception of Animal Crossing, etc..)

The Revolution is already my choice for favorite next generation console and it's not even out! It's only announced, still a year from release and it already has more games that I WANT coming for it than the other two consoles, including the one coming out in only a half a year.

The PS3 has no games I want. Not one game. Absolutely nothing on the system intrigues me. It's like the PS2 and the PS1. It'll be like this until Katamari Damacy 3 or so shows up. Seriously.

The Xbox 360 seemed cool for a while until I realized it too won't have anything I want to play.. Except maybe Perfect Dark Zero. That's it! Nothing else! Except for backwards compatibility which won't matter until it gets games I want. Online play is nothing if I have to pay for it. In fact, I will be cancelling my LIVE subscription at the end of the year. Know why? Because I don't use it. The Xbox may have lots of FPS games, but I hate deathmatching with a passion that burns in my loins.

The Revolution already has a dozen games lined up that I know for a fact I will be getting. PLUS, I would gladly pay to download the old games. I waited 10 years for someone to put out a DOOM on a console that didn't suck. It took 10 years! And it took the original creator to do it! So hell yeah I'm looking forward to playing all the old games on the Rev. Now that I think about it, I can retire my NES, SNES and N64 and save even MORE space on my shelf! Hot damn, Nintendo. You have done it again.

Also, I like Reggie. I really do. At least I can understand what he says. The guy talking about the Revolution towards the end, or was it the GameCube, I could hardly make out his words. I had to silence the house so I could use my entire brain's processing power to process what he was saying.

That out of the way, let's talk rumors and what I want..

The Revolution's default prototype color scheme is almost perfect! Black with blue lighting. If anything, I'd think PS2. But if they have to change it, I will take a solid white with a white lighted drive slot. Those are my choices, Nintendo, take 'em or leave 'em. Maybe even red. A GBA SP red color would also rock.

Now, the downloadable games. This feature is ubercool by itself, BUT what would and will make it even better if Nintendo has any brains in their heads, would be DS (Or even GBA/Micro) connectability built-in. How fucking cool would it be to take the downloaded games with you? At least the NES ones or SNES on the DS. But it's not going to work well with the N64 stuff so oh well.

What I would most look forward to is downloading GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, the original Turok (The only good one IMHO) for the N64. The SMB trilogy, the original Nintendo Tetris, Star Tropics, Kickle Cubicle and Fire 'n' Ice, (Hell yeah!) and get this, Dragon Warrior!!! And then the DKC trilogy, Mario World 1 and 2, EARTHBOUND, Star Fox... (Holy crap!)

I just hope it's a nice big library that DOES include third party stuff. I really do. I hope there's some sort of deal or clause in the contract's the companies signed back in the 80's and 90's that gives Nintendo the rights to provide these games. The above list is my most wanted. The games I would gladly pay to have again.

Yep. Once again, Nintendo has renewed my faith in them. And Sony and Microsoft have once again let me down for the most part.

[Gamereviewgod]

So, Jasoco, you're excited about a system that you haven't seen a single screen shot from yet? I don't get it. What did they announce that was so great? Super Smash Bros? Ok. What else?

[lendelin]

Yeah, that's it.

No. I own a 'Cube. I own 2 GBA's. I own a DS. The simple fact is Nintendo blew their chance. They showed me, as a die hard gamer, absolutely nothing as to what they're going to provide me with in this generation other than 20-year old games I already own.

Sony did exactly that and did it in a big way, simple as that.

What came from Nintendo? A fourth GBA and the ability to play games I already have, likely own, or can get elsewhere. Big deal. Either show your hand now or lose. Their conference came off as so secretive (sp?). Everytime a big announcement was made, from Miyamoto's new game to the controller, it was :

"But not right now."

You get one shot a year at this. 360 will be playable on the show floor. Sony showed the most amazing graphics demo ever. Nintendo shows me Mario Bros. on the NES. That's stupid.

I agree. Ns press conference showed how far they are behind. While MS has its system ready, and Sony countered with a smoke-and mirror-strategy (rendered graphics and duckie-demos which won't hold up in real time gameplay) which was nevertheless very effective, N didn't showed a thing becasue they probably couldn't show a thing. Very bad PR, a missed opportunity.

All we know is that the new console will be a small black box for which older games can be downloaded. Additionally, upcoming games lacked the depth and variety of the games which Sony and MS could show. The new Zelda game won't be enough to be a serious competitor until the end of 2006 with the Xbox 360 in the market and the PS3 on the horizon.

[Famidrive-16]

I think they'll find a way to get deals with some developers of older games. Maybe not for the defunct ones, unless they can pull off some magical buy-the-rights move or something.

[Jasoco]

So, Jasoco, you're excited about a system that you haven't seen a single screen shot from yet? I don't get it. What did they announce that was so great? Super Smash Bros? Ok. What else?What's your problem? Do you have something against people who actually like Nintendo's franchises? Mario, Zelda, Metroid? All will have games on the Revolution. Smash Bros is just a start. I'm sure a Pikmin will make it there at one point. Nintendo has the fucking games that drive a console. I.. I don't even want to argue anymore. Anti-Nintendo people can't be turned no matter how much you tey. They just don't understand why we like Nintendo and never will. So go away, kid, you bother me.

At least I KNOW Nintendo's console will have a dozen games in the first few months that I will buy. What does MS and Sony have? Final Fantasy and Halo? Two games I could care less about.

It took years for me to get a PS2 because there was NOTHING on it that interested me. I hate when people find that hard to believe. They're just stupid and will play any game that comes along as long as the console has the most stuff.

It took years for me to get an Xbox as well because at the time I actually liked Halo. But after Halo 2 came out, I realized I didn't care for it anymore. So what else does the Xbox have? Serious Sam and Doom 3. Later Conker. I doubt the 360 will be getting any of those three though.

Halo Shmalo. Give me a good enjoyable Nintendo-created game and get that other processed shit out of my face.

And I don't give a shit if you call me a fanboy. It just shows how intollerant you are. And how much you don't even understand. :(

[lendelin]

It took years for me to get a PS2 because there was NOTHING on it that interested me. I hate when people find that hard to believe.

Well, if the most balanced and varied game library has nothing to offer to you, then I guess you don't like games too much. But I guess the same library would be awesome if it were on the GC. Don't love systems, love games. Third party developers aren't GC fans or haters, why should you be one?


They're just stupid and will play any game that comes along as long as the console has the most stuff.

Yep, I'm one of those stupid gamers. I don't recognize quality, I just play PS2 games because it says PS and most people play it. Did you ever hear of that the dumbest thing you can do is ignoring reality by saying the others are just stupid instead of looking for explanations?

N has only one thing going for it -- an avid, well established fanbase, and you are obviously part of it. But don't forget, this fanbase decreases from generation to generation of gamers, a result of Ns stagnation while the market expanded.

[Jasoco]

Jesus Christ. I give up. When the conversation turns into insults, I can tell you don't understand what kind of gamer I am.

People like you assume people like us haven't even touched other consoles let alone looked at their library. Can't I like a console made by Nintendo without all the assholes coming out of the woodwork to question my choice? Just ONCE? Can we have a NINTENDO DISCUSSION THREAD without people condemning the company to the pits of hell? Just ONCE?? God, what is WRONG with you people? We're GAMERS! And if we can't play the games we LIKE, what's the point of being a GAMER?

God. I give up.

Also, to cover the rest, Buddah, Moses, Jiminy Cricket and that elephant thing Apu worships as well.

Bloody fucking hell I can't stand you people's intolerance anymore.

[lendelin]

Bloody fucking hell I can't stand you people's intolerance anymore.

You mix up the clash of different opinions with intolerance. If everyone agrees, tolerance isn't necessary. Tolerance is only necessary if differing opinions exist. You don't need an umbrella when the sun shines, you need one when it rains.

[Jasoco]

LOL

Of course, but I find umbrellas unweildy, and I get even wetter when I try to get in the car with one. I find it easier to just run to the car with my hood up. I actually get less wet then.. wait.. what are we talking about? Oh yeah..

Is there some unwritten rule that everyone must pick either the Sony console or the Microsoft console because they have the most games, so they must be the best? I hope not.

I have done the research. I have weighed all three consoles libraries. The Nintendo systems have more games that I want to play. (It's hard to emphasize a word that's one letter long and is the thinnest letter of the alphabet. The word was "I".) Remember, it took Katamari Damacy for me to even CoNSIDER a PlayStation. Nothing else appealed to me enough to justify the money. And the Xbox mainly has Serious Sam and Doom 3 going for it right now as far as I'm concerned. With Conker coming later. The Cube OTOH has all these games I love. Mario games. Zelda games. Metroid games. Pikmin games. Smash Bros! Cubivore! Animal Crossing! Games I enjoy! Games I like playing!

Now, if it's so hard to understand my difference in taste, raise your hand. Otherwise, let us Nintendo game fans have our thread back.

[Dobie]

Despite the negativity and usual "Nintendo is going down" rhetoric, I think the Revolution will be an interesting console to have. There will be a game for EVERYBODY, no matter how old or young. The gaming "demographic" won't matter, because there will be something for hardcore everyday gamer, and also for the casual weekender, looking to fire up some classic Super Mario World. If Ninty is smart, the downloadable content would be available right away--no waiting for months for games to come out.

I see this as an interesting idea. The iTunes of games, if you will. A sleek and stylish portable device, and a vast marketplace selling the oldies right alongside the latest hits. People naysayed the iPod and iTunes, and now Apple is the one laughing as their competitors try feebly to catch up. If Nintendo plays their cards right, they could potentially pull off a nice little coup.

How cool would it be too, to be able to "share" your games iTunes style. One person has the game, and other can play it on their console connected wirelessly, or both can play it together.

Dang--I'm getting all giddy just thinking about the possibilities. Screw the naysayers.

[Zubiac666]

Another 2 pics of REV:
FRONTVIEW
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_6l.jpg

UHH...now THAT is interesting( :D :D :D ):
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_8l.jpg

wow,that's really small:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/615/615030/e3-2005-high-res-revolution-images-20050517022402307.jpg

it's already my fav console ever.It's the size of a book!!
You can take it everywhere with you and it has all Nintendo games ready to download.....so gimme gimme gimme.
Oh,and an online ready SSBM, zelda etc etc.

And I'm REALLY glad that they didn't show rev-games cause they would be stupid prerendered crap(SOny anyone?) which do NOT show anything running on the actual console.
HYPE=BAH!

Just believe what you see on your TV when playing the actual console.

hype my ass!

[Jasoco]

hype my ass!Okay. Your ass is going to be so powerful when it is finally released. We already have 50 developers busy hard at work creating games to play on your ass. It will be released on November 3rd and will cost $299.99. Featuring 8 players, 32 online, and network linking as well as wireless built-in, you won't even need to plug it into a router if you don't want. Your ass is going to be huge!

How's that for hype? :P

I've always wanted to do that. ;)

Also, can we edit that one huge image? (The third one down that shows up as a red X or blue ? until you open it in a new window? My browser is scrolling mega-badly now.

[grayrobertos]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

[grayrobertos]

BTW does anyone remember that survey that was about a few month back about nintendo offering an add on to play past games and wether people would be interested? Guess this was it eh.

Also, does anyone think that when they said "Metroid would take you to places that you have never been before"
I thought it would be cool if it was a game like elite traveling in ur ship around space ports etc trading with people to get suit upgrades and that.

Who fancys that?

[Zubiac666]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

mmhh....I don't really know
but it seems that it will hold the already confirmed SD-cards(where you can put your downloaded nintendo-classics) slots and some other connectors(REV memory cards,USB,GBA slots aka bulit-in Gameboy player,maybe even REV controller ports?, whatever)

damn...this thing is so sexy and the backwards combatibility already gives me NES,SNES,GEnesis and GB(A) emulators(which I have now all running on my UNMODDED gamecube ) from the go.

It's also good to see that the REV will stand in an angular angle in its rack to provide that the discs can be read without problems.

update: I guess it will use some sort of liquid cooling as I do not see any ventilation slots.that would be another big plus in my book cause you won't have loud fans or broken fans.

[THATinkjar]

Those potatoes over at EuroGamer think the GB Micro is the GBA2. Morons.

[poopnes]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

I'm guessing you'll put your SD cards in there. And also the DVD playback thingy has to go somewhere. But of course it's all speculation since Nintendo hasn't revealed the front or the back.

[hydr0x]

@lendelin

no need to attack Jasoco here, yes, it's bullshit to claim the PS doesn't have a single good game, it has dozens and there's no doubt about it. But you seem to be missing what he actually tried to say and why he did. He got attacked by someone (i'm too lazy to look it up again) because he said the Revolution will deliver for him.

Why in gods name did he get attacked for that??? He's right, we all know Nintendo WILL bring Mario, Zelda, Pikmin and so on to the Revolution and if those games are enough reason for him to buy the console, then why don't let him buy it?? i know more than one person who owns a Xbox just for Halo, so why not buy a Revolution just for Zelda or Mario? what is wrong with that?? maybe YOU can't accept that, but for some people 5 or 6 good Nintendo games per year would be enough to buy the system. You don't need to understand that but you have to tolerate that opinion and not ****** attack him for it.

just my 2 cents (and in case you're wondering, i'm currently considering buying PS3 first, then Revolution)

[poloplayr]

Nintendo is lost. They don't have a clue. You would think they would have learned from all of their countless mistakes, but it seems like they are just so damn stubborn and they still think they are running things in this industry.

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

Hear, hear. I've been a HARDCORE Nintendo fanboy since the G&W days for crying out lout but what the h**l are they doing. They delivered NO revolution whatsoever. Backcatalogue access is clearly not the revolution. The console was just a plastic square and not even the final prototype, there was NOTHING. It's as if they themselves really have no frickin' clue as to what to do. Once again, they're behind. Once again, they give us nothing. I am so so so so dissapointed.

[kainemaxwell]

I'm impressed so far about the Revolution, wish Nintendo would have reavealed more about it.

[Julio III]

The thing about the Revolution is that basically nothing has been released. I feel Nintendo just had to show something otherwise they wouldn't get noticed and Sony and Microsoft would steal all the press. So they showed what they had. A mockup/prototype design for their console, a free online service including that big bacl catalogue. They really didn't tell us much about the Revolution at all. So there is no telling what it can do. I like the way they didn't push the GBMicro, letting the DS shine. The online functions of the DS are really interesting and I can't wait until they are up and running. If they extend their download service to DS also that would be awesome. Although they do like charging a lot of money to get their old games on GBA so I doubt it.

One thing I don't like about Nintendo is their slow overseas (non-Japan) release schedule. It is actually cheaper for me to import a DS game now rather than wait 6 months for the game AND pay more for it.

I actually won't be getting any of the next-gan consoles but have recently got a DS so will talk about the things which come out for that:

Meteos finally gets an English release date. Hurrah! Sonic Rush looks good, finally a big name game for the DS thats DOESN'T feel the need to have touchscreen functions and simply uses the dual screens. New Mario Bros also, the first new 2D one since the SNES launch - I can't believe they aren't pushing this more. However, from what I've seen it only really needs one screen and doesn't look as good graphically as the Yoshi games and it is polygonal!?!

One reason that Nintendo haven't talked about Revolution games yet is their Gamecube release list. It is seriously impresive. A new Zelda game that looks really good, much prefer the graphical style over Wind Waker and the action looks stunning. Pokemon RPG on a real console! Not so sure, i prefer the overhead classic pokemon gaming, this looks too much like the cartoon series. Sonic Gems Collection looks great, all those wacky and rare Sonic games finally get a play - Sonic R, Sonic CD (the one that everyone has been asking for) and Sonic The Fighters (never recieved a home conversion so probably even the most ardent Sonic fan's first time playing it!).

[Nature Boy]

I know the retro compilations do well. And the remakes (I own a couple of both, for PS2 and GBA). I'm wondering if they can continue to do well though now that backwards compatability seems to be here to stay?

I guess I *might* buy "Activision Anthology 2" on PS3 if it has more games than the original, but really the original has pretty much *everything* already, and since the PS3 will play PS2 games why would I bother?

Same thing goes for Revolution. I bought a few of the Super Mario Advance's because I wanted to play them on a portable (and I still *love* 'em). If the Rev. lets me play GBA & GC games, I've pretty much got all the retro Nintendo stuff I want (I even have the first two Zelda's twice - once as GBA carts, once on that GC disc). I don't see myself buying the games a third time as is, especially if I can't keep playing them after the Revolution is replaced by Reloaded :) Has anybody read/heard anything about if you download the game permanantly or if you just play it through their servers? (I'd assume the latter, since piracy is a big concern of theirs and it'd be easier to control if they held the software in their hands).

What I don't know is how the compilations did on the original PS say, or how many people bought the PS2 stuff anyway because of any bonuses that might've occured.

[Daft Punk]

Im sold on it for sure.

The look is small but kinda generic though.

[calthaer]

The back catalogue of games is what people wanted. Anybody remember that big, long thread on Nintendo's boards (linked to from here a while back) where everyone was screaming for Earthbound to be re-released? Well...guess where it's going to be coming?

I'm not going to say that the PS2 doesn't have any good games...I own several. Katamari Damacy was one of the greatest. I even liked some of the minor titles like Transformers a lot. But man...if I had to choose one, and only one, I'd stick with my 'Cube. The big N has the big games. Games that are memorable and worth-playing. Halo was entertaining, for sure, but all those corridors were exactly the same.

At any rate - there's still a lot left to see. I'm pretty much sold, but I can understand why others aren't yet.

[YoshiM]

ARRGGHH!

There, I got that out of my system. People, it was a PRE-E3 conference. They basically said "Hey, we know the next generation comes out next year but we want to focus on the here and now-Gamecube, GBA and DS. But here's a taste of what's to come." The other conferences seemed to say to me "Forget about what we have now-get ready for tomorrow!". Sorry, but no. I invested a goodly amount of money for the now. While I may be interested in hearing/seeing what's coming down the pike I really want to know what I can get for my current systems.

Again-people built up their own hype even when most everything they dreamed of was either never announced or not a lot of detail was given on what was to be announced. If you're disappointed about Revolution, you've only yourself to blame for expecting too much information. This is Nintendo, remember?

@lendelin: you do realize that the Dreamcast, when it came out, also had a very balanced and varied game library. Yet many people held out for the PS2 and from what I gathered from asking those people who sat out in line waiting for stoes to open to buy one the typical answers to "Why are you buying a PS2?" were "It's Playstation" or "The specs are just totally awesome". Of course there were others that said more logical reasons (ie the games) but it seemed as though Sony's marketing spin worked as the "bells and whistles" seemed to be what was first on everyone's minds at the time. Games came later as the PS2 launch lineup was relatively average to pathetic (hence why a lot of Japanese people sheepishly raised their hands when they were asked "How many of you mainly use your PS2 to watch DVDs[vs. playing games]" in an old IGN interview)

I don't think Nintendo's PR was bad-they want to sell Gamecube, GBA and DS. Why turn people's attention away by splashing about Revolution footage? Oh sure you want to get people interested but there is a LOT of time until the Revolution comes out and thanks to the Internet everyone will get their fill of up-to-the-minute information. Those who are pissed off about lack of Revolution information will stamp their feet, complain or say how much Nintendo sucks but when the next announcement arrives those same people will be captivated, hanging on every word.
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What did Microsoft and Sony really show? Established franchises and sequels. What does Nintendo use? Established franchises and sequels. Again, people's expectations on Nintendo were self-elevated to where practically anything less than full emersive VR is "disappointing".

And Gamereviewgod: people were getting all happy in the pants when Sony first announced specs for the PS2 way back when. So don't just finger Jasoco for this sin as many many others have walked down that same spec/feature loving path before.
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And to wrap up my extremely long post (which people will probably skip over anyway): ever notice that Nintendo-based threads on almost every board are always, ALWAYS more active?

[The-Bavis]

It takes a long time to read all these negative comments!

Basically, I am interested so far, but reserving judgment. Personally, I like the downloadable content idea. I don't dig roms AT ALL, so that is not an issue for me. Same goes for most people in the world not trolling gaming message boards. We also must wait on the controller to be revealed. There is no way you can criticize the dowloadable content because that is obviously not the only thing "revolutionary" about this console. There will be more to it unless they're just full of lies.

It is also worthy of note that not only is the new console going to have online capabilities, which us serious gamers knew about, but it appears to be a huge part of their concept. This is a giant paradigm shift for the company. Equating the internet as being as important as the TV to your console gaming? They hopefully have some cool stuff planned.

Basically, Nintendo showed some of their philosophy for this new console yesterday and I am impressed. Sure, the specifics will really tell the story, but this type of different thinking is really their best shot. If they just came out and said they were able to have 2458 more polygons per character than the PS3, they're not going to really get ahead. It will be concept and games that can keep them in the game or return them to glory.

[Mayhem]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

I'm guessing you'll put your SD cards in there. And also the DVD playback thingy has to go somewhere. But of course it's all speculation since Nintendo hasn't revealed the front or the back.

The slot at the front (besides the blue glow for the discs) is apparently where the SD cards and DVD kit will go.

[howdoin]

I was reading the description again and thought of what Iwata said yesterday...

Could the Revolution offer homebrew games through the SD slot? Is this part of the Revolution for those "developpers with ideas but very limited budget" as Iwata put it.
Imagine this, an open platform for all fans to let others play their homebrew titles - a real open source machine (at least part of it)... imagine the possibilities.

Me start dreaming.

[PS2Hawk]

I was seriously disappointed with the conference.

They showed an empty box ? WTF......
No specs, 2 to 3 times faster than GameCube means its slower than current PCs.

WHERE THE helL is MARIO 128 ?

[Gamereviewgod]

There, I got that out of my system. People, it was a PRE-E3 conference. They basically said "Hey, we know the next generation comes out next year but we want to focus on the here and now-Gamecube, GBA and DS. But here's a taste of what's to come." The other conferences seemed to say to me "Forget about what we have now-get ready for tomorrow!"

Because they lost this generation and won't lick their wounds and try to wow us next time. They made some fantastic games, some of the best I'll ever play (RE4). Zelda looked great, but did you notice in the video montage they showed nearly every single games was licensed junk that's appearing on other consoles?

This is the year of E3 where the companies are SUPPOSED to say "This is where we plan on taking you, our consumer, from here." That's what you're supposed to do every E3.

I honestly do NOT understand how anyone can look at Nintendo's press conference (from a buisness standpoint) and say they did the right thing. The whole point of something like this is to create hype. The Revolution showed me nothing... nothing. Their Gamecube sits on my shelf collecting dust after Resident Evil 4, and before that, I can't even begin to think the last time I touched it. I know I'm not the only one. Hey, I'm looking forward to Zelda as much as the next guy, but while they did a great job hyping it (have you seen the DS trailer on eBay?), they failed to show us where they're taking us. Oh wait, they did. Back to an era I already lived through and can relive when I want.

That's the type of announcement you make before E3, even weeks in advance. You don't bank your entire E3 press conference, especially one as important as this, on NES games, period. Their stubborness will be their downfall. They need to change and drastically. [/quote]

[rbudrick]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

That's for holding paper clips and stuff.
;)

I can not wait to see Nintendo's online service. I might actually finally be an online gamer when this comes out.

Nintendo has something here MS and Sony don't--several systems that can be emulated on the new hardware. Sure MS and Sony could make their systems backward compatible, but only for the one or two systems they've made and even then...you need the disc.

If Nintendo keeps their word on this online content, that really is a revolution in gaming. I'd love to be able to play al those 2+ player games of yesterday over the net.

-Rob