Remakes: How Different Should They Be?

[kupomogli]

In general, I think there's only ever one reason to do a remake

Now two things I have to say to this, first off, I don't give a crap what the original creator wants, they don't own the IP, more on that in a bit because I'm going to go through some thorough examples.

The other though is that people state "the original creator" like that has any real meaning. Now the director does have a hand in directing where the project goes, obviously, but many ideas and aspects of the game aren't theirs and too many unknown developers are left unknown for only one person to very often receive the credit. Often times this can be seen as a fluke, I mean look at Tabata who was the creator of Crisis Core Final Fantasy 7 who really just used influences from the previously created Parasite Eve to trip and actually make a good game, because not only was Type 0 a brand new game he was allowed to direct a pretty bad game, but also Final Fantasy 13 which he had three years to take what was already created and make a good game. Three freaking years for what we got. Is it fair to say that Crisis Core Final Fantasy 7 is a good game for the most part due to Tabata? I would say so because everything else he directed was trash, but the people under him before he quit the company to start his own studio as some super star developer are never going to be recognized.

However, being the director also means that if it's a bad idea, those ideas are shot down and the director determines what is in the game or not, and as much as I love Matsuno games, he makes near perfect games in every single way and then complete and utterly broken in one aspect making them truly unplayable, but this really depends on the game. And this is where I don't think they should care whether the original developer gives their blessing or not, because I'm going to point out several game breaking issues on many Matsuno games. The original Tactics Ogre is one of my favorite games of all time, but when you are literally two levels below the enemy, the enemy has a MASSIVE advantage over you, and the experience system is worse than it could have and should have been to be honest, it's not completely unbalanced, as they did add training mode and it takes no time at all if characters are more than one level under the highest level character to get everyone on the same level. Let's not forget how agility effects both speed and accuracy, dexterity has no use whatsoever, and you're required to cross class with Ninja or Archer to make people hit the enemy, and everyone knows just how broken these characters are.

Now, who do they have to develop and rework a remake of the same game on the PSP? Matsuno. Now, again, nearly everything in the game is perfect. Of course it was already a nearly perfect game, but there's not one, not two, but three major issues with this release that make it completely broken. Every time you get a new class it starts at level 1 and the class is useless. This requires an unbelievable amount of grinding if you ever want to use new classes. Weapons and armor have a level requirement, which a character even one level below is worthless compared to everone else because they can't equip equipment on par with everyone else. Tactics Ogre has some pretty huge maps compared to some of these games, and on the original game movement was good. Movement on the PSP version however was reduced. This means mages move three spaces at a time, nearly everyone else moves four, with Ninja moving five. This makes it an incredible slog to get anywhere on the map, putting far more time than it should take and despite reducing the power of archers, making archery even better than before.

If a developer wants to make a new game and they get the okay from the owner of the IP, I don't think it matters who develops it as long as it's good, because just because they're a veteran of the industry means nothing. IGA who is falsely branded the creator of SotN, he's not he only co developed it, has made several games much worse, and his first one Harmony of Dissonance, despite enjoying is a very broken unbalanced game that is nothing more than a rip off of the card system from Circle of the Moon with the different books and weapons as well as what SotN hoped to achieve. He happened to create a game that was on equal footing with SotN with Aria of Sorrow again, but instead decided that what if every enemy gave a unique spell or skill which was a great idea and it worked well. It worked well in the second game Dawn of Sorrow, again, a game on equal footing to SotN. However it was Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia that, while not bad, show that IGA really has no clue what makes a good game because these games were full of straight hallways with little variation, and both of these games, especially Order of Ecclesia were heavily effected by weapon type damage making the games even worse. Again, good and decent games, but major issues between both, oh, and once again reusing assets aka SotN as a sort of way to extend the game as both games had nearly half the assets reused atleast once. Let's not forget Lament of Innocence which had a good combat system was nothing but hallways, and then Curse of Darkness he felt the hallways were great so he made hallways even longer with these long, long, long hallways with nothing in between, only to make the combat even more repetitive(although the combat wasn't bad, it's like Dynasty Warriors yes, but good with some of the mechanics they added.) Don't even get me started about NanoBreaker. That game was complete trash.

So yeah. Excuse me if I don't have faith or give a rats ass what sort of permission that these directors give games. It's the development teams behind the directors, a good director will only guide the game to be a bit better than it would be otherwise.

[gbpxl]

remaking a masterpiece is idiotic. that goes for games, films, songs, paintings, anything. dont fix what isnt broke

[Niku-Sama]

what you might think as a masterpiece the artist may not have been able to fully realize the full potential of the piece.

in this case game creators may have been limited by hardware and there for their masterpiece isnt yet finished.

[Edmond Dantes]

So yeah. Excuse me if I don't have faith or give a rats ass what sort of permission that these directors give games. It's the development teams behind the directors, a good director will only guide the game to be a bit better than it would be otherwise.

This is true too.

The more I think about it, the more I just don't see the point of full-on remakes (which just to be clear, I hold as being different from a port or an HD upscale). They're almost kind of offensive since they tend to carry the implication that the original is "obsolete," which then is like telling those teams that made the original "ha ha your hard work was for nothing!"

In fact, one thing I wish would become a law of sorts is that remakes/reboots should always include the original game, at the very least as bonus unlockable content, much like the Splatterhouse remake or Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time did (although Sands of Time wasn't a remake per say, more like just a new game in a long-running series, but it still did well by including the original POP as an unlockable bonus).

My big problems with remakes is usually they tend to just be chasing modern trends. This might not be a popular thing to say, but Nostalgia Critic (of all people) nailed it in his review of the Live-Action Cat in the Hat: "By seeking to modernize it, you make it more dated, and by seeking to 'improve' it you show you don't respect the source at all." I can't remember the full line, that's from memory, but I remember it being one of the few things he ever said that I agreed with wholeheartedly. The original Robocop is still a good movie because it wasn't following trends, it was just being its own thing. The 2014 Robocop was just "let's take the basic premise and do what a modern filmmaker would do with it," which wound up being an insult. Similarily this is part of why I don't like the Resident Evil remakes and how they took originally campy and silly games and went all edgedark on them because, ya know, that's what all the other horror games do... pretty much the equivalent of the comic book trend in the 1990s of making everything gritty and edgy, even characters like Superman who have no place being done like that.

Then of course, most time "remakes" end up just being all new games anyway, so why not just market them like that? (Yes I know the real reason is name-brand recognition, but I've never understood most corporate logic, most of which seems to be superstition. Like I'm pretty sure the Tomb Raider reboot would've sold just as well if it was called "Tomb Raider: A New Beginning" or something to distinguish it).

[kupomogli]

My big problems with remakes is usually they tend to just be chasing modern trends.

This deserves it's own thread but this is my same opinion but of all games, not just remakes. Most games from AAA developers have them doing something modern, rather than taking a look at what was done in the past.

I'm going to go back to Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Dragon Quest 11 and despite liking both games, I do want to point out why modern JRPGs will never be as good a classic. Now on the FF7R, forget about the change in combat, the graphics, the story, etc, what is the biggest most notable change that really makes a difference? It's the games viewpoint. Almost everything third person now days has to be that behind the back view, where classic JRPGs were always overhead birds eye view. Now of course behind the back doesn't necessarily ruin the game. Look at SMT Nocturne a game I would rate 10/10. However, in first person or with the camera angle being behind the back, there's only so much you can view. You literally have to walk around a path to actually see what is down the path, to see if there's a dead end or to see if there's a treasure box. All games have a mini map now days, but most games aren't going to have a treasure box at that dead end, so you have to look and see yourself, and that takes time. You're putting in a lot more time searching every nook and cranny.

Now compare what I stated above to how classic games do it in a bird's eye view and again, the example is Final Fantasy 7 or another Dragon Quest game so say Dragon Quest 7. With the games view being a bird's eye view, you now see overhead and that treasure box that is on the other path that the character can't see, you as the player can instantly see everything that's on screen. So you know there's something there, it just requires you to circle around. This means that classic games whether they have a larger area or not, are going to have a much more snappier pacing to them and this makes these games more enjoyable for that alone. Not only are you not just focused on a minimap and can use the actual screen to see what you're looking at, you can easily view that there are objects that can assist you provided it can be seen in the particular map you're on.

Another thing that modern games have done is that modern games feel the need to put a lot more text, like they always have to go into detail to describe something. Something that I didn't like on Dragon Quest 11 was that despite the game having a very generic storyline, the amount of time it can take to get through a scene of dialogue is really quite ridiculous. Classic games were often more concise in their writing, not having the player listen to so much dialogue before actually getting to the point. Now of course I don't mind games with a lot of dialogue, but I also would like it if the games had a little more respect for our time and if they're going to put a lot of dialogue atleast make the writing much better.

So this is pretty much a reason that modern games are worse than classic games, simply because by design the pacing is worse, and as you stated, the whole Resident Evil being dark, while I really enjoy Resident Evil 2, every time games get better and better graphics, the first thing developers try to do is improve shadows. It's got to the point that some games are near impossible to see and in some of them and in game light is less effective than a pen light in real life. The fact that Resident Evil 2 only allows your light to be on at specific locations instead of whenever you feel like it is also a design flaw imo. If I can't see I should be able to turn the light on whenever I damn well choose.

[Gameguy]

You're putting in a lot more time searching every nook and cranny.

It's done on purpose to extend the game time, this is how RPGs can advertise being 100+ hours long. They find ways to waste your time.

Actually that's something else I dislike with modern games, having multiple paths designed for multiple playthroughs. Usually these don't offer much like some very slightly different dialog to explain something in further detail, but you have to replay the game to get it all unlike older games where you can just further explore dialog options until everything is exhausted.

It's a reason I dislike that most recent Telltale King's Quest game as you have three ways of solving puzzles and these affect which ending you get, these are really just cheap ways of extending the playtime. Old games would just be linear and made longer to have more content.

Another thing that modern games have done is that modern games feel the need to put a lot more text, like they always have to go into detail to describe something.

Yes, modern games seem to take themselves too seriously compared to older games, even when a story is really poorly written it's treated like it's extremely important so I just get irritated with it. Not all games need a serious story or complex plot to drive the gameplay. It's the same with modern movies and anime too, I'd often just prefer a simple story like 80's action and fantasy movies had so I can just be entertained without needing to spend effort deciphering the plot. If I need to read a wiki page to figure out what's happening in an action movie then the plot is probably too complex.


Also what I dislike in modern games is Quick Time Events, especially during cut scenes. I'm sure they put a lot of effort animating a cut scene and are including crucial exposition to the plot, but I'm ignoring all of that as I'm just focusing on the button prompts to complete the section so I can get back to the actual game. Cut scenes used to be a reward, now they're just tedious. It's another reason I dislike the Telltale King's Quest game. Copying the gameplay from Dragon's Lair isn't a good thing, we're not dealing with laserdisc limitations so this poor gameplay isn't excusable in modern times.

[Edmond Dantes]

Ya know, the more I read kupomogli's post, the more like he sounds like a genius. I seriously never noticed how much the viewpoint affects the experience.

I have noticed the speed thing though. It's something that's a bit of a bugbear for me.... for example one reason I had trouble liking 3D gaming was because it was inherently slower. A quick walk across Hyrule in 2D is now an hours-long journey in 3D, full of mostly empty space (though Breath of the Wild manages to make the world interesting to explore). Another thing I notice a lot is simple actions like attacks. In a lot of older games it was often just a simple few frames and bam (Strider is a good example), but now a simple kick can take minutes. I also remember there being this terrible period where literally every game played like a beat-em-up, with button-masher combos and enemies with long life bars even if they were just common mooks. Like, it gets tedious when every battle is a boss fight. It's okay to have at least some guys you can down with a single attack.