Quote Originally Posted by Sunnyvale420 View Post
For every 'humane' example of a lion killing there is, there's also bot flies, tapeworms, constricting snakes, venom that stuns but doesn't kill...
And look into the plight of the poor aphids before you assume we are the only species to keep others as chattle.
While technically, yes, insects are in the Animalia Kingdom, when people are talking about "animals" colloquially, they're typically talking about vertebrates (mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, and fish), rather than invertebrates. So, personally, all of your insect examples are irrelevant to my conversation. Your one vertebrate example, constricting snakes, go along with my statement just fine. They're still aiming for the quickest death they can get, and they're doing the best with the abilities of their bodies. I mean, what else can they do with no arms, legs, or venom?

Look into the amino acid differences between a steak and an equal amount of soy protein. There is a significant difference, and it's not trivial. Easy to compensate for in the civilized world. Not so much in Ethiopia.

And charities send nuts instead of steaks cause most of those countries are rife with corruption, and the meat won't reach it's destination. Nuts will.
And nuts are cheaper.
I fail to see what your argument is here. That the efforts of charities are worthless unless they send meat? If your starving, you should just be concerned with staying alive. Having a balanced, nutritionally complete diet is the ultimate goal, but, heck, even a lot of fat Americans that gorge themselves on meat don't have that. There's no arguing my point that we can feed the starving people of the world much more effectively with options other than meat. You said yourself that it's cheaper, and we all know that it takes far less money and land for agriculture than to produce meat. That's even ignoring the perishability factor. And my point about bushmeat.

Also, plenty of poor nations/cultures can compensate for a meatless diet. What, do you think only rich, white hipsters are vegetarians? A large percentage of the Indian population is vegetarian or vegan, and they're definitely not a first world country.

So the bottom line is that starving people have absolutely NOTHING to do with humane farming practices.

People just like to be judgmental and tell other people what to do. Like "How dare you care about how animals are treated when... blah blah blah?" More like how dare you try to enforce what I can and can't care about? The whole "this cause is more important than that cause" mentality is complete and utter BS. If you follow that train of thought, then I guess we shouldn't care at all about homeless and hungry people in America too because people in other countries have it so much worse, right? C'mon. These are ALL issues that deserve attention. There's no reason why someone can't care about the needless suffering of ALL life. Everybody could take a lesson from Saint Francis.