How popular is the Genesis these days?

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it's a shame you didn't play the game properly, then? levels had multiple ways of being explored/completed, as well as Sonic 2 and later pack-ins like Streets of Rage 1/2, the superior Aladdin title, etc but those didn't quite fit your narrative there.

"Properly"? Ugh. I don't like Sonic 1. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

• I pointed out that AB is sorta crummy
• Someone else excused its crumminess by citing it as a pack-in
• I brought up SMW as an example of why being a pack-in is NOT an excuse to be a crappy game.

this is literally the point you brought up & continue harping on

I didn't bring it up. Also, you clearly missed my point.

what happened here was you spoke on something you don't seem to know about & comfortably painted it with a broad brush; when called on it, you got snippy/unnecessarily nasty.

I was called "simple", which is a gentle way of saying mentally deficient or retarded. I wasn't the one who got "nasty".

no one here has yet said your SNES didn't have absolute classics (and a better launch lineup, hands down!), but your statement on 60-minute games was something i'd expect of a person whose only experience with the gen/system came from wikipedia, and you don't seem to be that. you're welcome to correct me there but there's no need for insults or assumptions on the fantastic library the SNES provided - the fact that other scenes like Sega, NEC, Neo-Geo etc get slept on by various current retrospectives is indeed a larger topic worthy of discussion on another thread, but it's not in any way evident of quality, the way billboard rankings don't indicate the same.

"My SNES"? If you're offended by my opinion of early Genesis titles, then I don't know what to tell ya. I don't take someone else's opinion about a video game personally or as an insult. I also wouldn't dismiss their opinion as assumption just because I don't agree. That's rather presumptuous.

you're absolutely right on SNES overall popularity though, if we're actually back on topic here. the retro bubble the SNES scene is currently seeing is insane, as far as inflating prices - even on mass-printed titles - but i guess i kinda get it for CIB titles since so few of us actually kept the boxes.

Yup.

ehhh Shinobi only takes a bit longer than that when you've mastered it, which i wouldn't necessarily conflate with arcade by nature; you can breeze through mario games when you know what you're doing, but certainly not the first time through. the popularity of speedruns these days show that many a game can be finished quickly, i don't think that's a stirke against them. Shinobi also offers great gameplay, a fantastic soundtrack & big bosses worth revisiting; i take your points on Populus and prolly Mystic Defender too, but again we're talking about '89 (launch year) and not the next 5 years which is silly since SNES library was slow/small as fuck early on and like many great systems, most noteworthy titles showed up around halfway through its lifetime or so.

And that's your opinion, which is just fine. I feel that its arcade game-like length coupled with low replay value make it a so-so game at best.

I'm not at all trying to make this an SNES vs Genesis thing. I only ever brought up the SNES because of the idea that a pack-in game gets a free pass to be crummy because it's "free". But since you went there, all 3 SNES launch titles are still considered good games (SMW, Pilotwings, and F-Zero). Sure, there were only 3 launch titles, but I know that I will always choose quality over quantity.

Are you excusing the overall poor quality of Genesis launch titles based on the fact that they are launch titles?

Remember, you made the comparison, I'm just responding to it. I'm neither harping on nor did I bring up.

i mean, fair enough, but....how much did you play it in '93/94? many missed some of its absolute best like Crusader of Centy, Beyond Oasis, Contra Hard Crops, Castlevania Bloodlines, Dynamite Headdy, Punisher, Shadowrun, Shining Force II, etc.

Played and play it still, which I've already covered.

I bought my 1st Genesis within a week of launch and my SNES on launch day. I've played both a LOT over the years...

I wasn't ever hating on the Genesis, but rather making a commentary on the state of the industry at the time.

Again, I like the Genesis. I own a few, plus a couple of Nomads, a few portable Genesis clones, a CD & 32X, not to mention games. I think I own around 75 Genny games right now.

Again, subjective. I don't know what you would consider to be strictly a "launch" title, but how many people would consider the SNES port of Gradius III or China Warrior to be top 100 games? It all depends on opinion.

I was referring to the entire Genesis launch lineup. You're talking about one (technically not a) launch title.

Altered Beast was never meant to be a "top 100" game. It was meant to show off the console's capabilities. That's why it was chosen as the pack-in title.

My point exactly. Why can you not see that? It's a crummy game all dressed up in pretty graphics, which, as I said, were a HUGE selling point in the late 80's and early 90's. How is this an argument against any point I've made?

Prices on the secondary market remain high for games of a company that never left the hardware business and still sells consoles, while those for games made by a company that left the hardware business more than a decade ago haven't really climbed? SHOCKED.

Can you show me where I argued this point?

If I were to use your argument, I could say that the Genesis is more popular than the SNES because the SNES doesn't have a comprehensive website devoted to it. I don't, however, because that wouldn't be a valid argument.

What?

I get the impression that you didn't really give these games a chance. The Revenge of Shinobi is a long game that has multiple endings. Unless you speed run it, I highly doubt you finished it in 30 minutes. Yeah, Super Thunderblade sucked, as did a few others. They weren't all bad, though. Personally, I had lots of fun with Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle (being a fan from the Master System), and games like Golden Axe (much better than the arcade) and Forgotten Worlds gave me hours of fun. Again, it's all subjective.

For fuck's sake, you guys are killing me. Defending the honor of the Genesis to the bitter end as if I ever said that it's without solid titles in its library.

Heaven forbid anyone ever make a general statement lest they wish to be bombarded with every little nuance, detail, and particular related to the subject. I feel I could say that water is pretty much flavorless, and I'm almost positive that you guys could find 50 ways to explain to me why that's not true and how I haven't properly experienced water.

Sheesh.