yeah, Turbo games (like Saturn ones here) at least had a lower print run, but even then i don't think prices are outrageous, for the most part...some stuff i looked up like Air Zonk was way higher than id've expected though. shopping for PCE (and JP saturn, for the same reasons) is way cheaper/better, when possible!

Quote Originally Posted by Rickstilwell1 View Post
I was under the impression that higher prices = higher popularity regardless of rarity. Just look at Earthbound and Suikoden II. The games are merely an R4 and they are worth more than most R5's, R6's and R7's. Even an R8 game system is worth less than them because it is not popular.
pardon my ignorance here, but i've not seen the R4/5/etc distinctions prior; what is that?

Quote Originally Posted by wiggyx View Post
"Properly"? Ugh. I don't like Sonic 1. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
that's fine, and i wasn't trying to be snooty - there's a notion in recent years that sonic is about pressing right to win; classic sonic titles had multi-tiered levels with several ways to finish them & lots to explore, if you were so inclined. I was just pointing that out because i think a lotta people missed that until about Sonic 3 (secret stages) or Sonic CD (future/past signs).

• I pointed out that AB is sorta crummy
• Someone else excused its crumminess by citing it as a pack-in
• I brought up SMW as an example of why being a pack-in is NOT an excuse to be a crappy game.

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I'm not at all trying to make this an SNES vs Genesis thing. I only ever brought up the SNES because of the idea that a pack-in game gets a free pass to be crummy because it's "free". But since you went there, all 3 SNES launch titles are still considered good games (SMW, Pilotwings, and F-Zero). Sure, there were only 3 launch titles, but I know that I will always choose quality over quantity.

Are you excusing the overall poor quality of Genesis launch titles based on the fact that they are launch titles?
someone else mentioned how your original statement seemed to imply post-launch stuff, but i do find your fixation with launch titles troubling. Personally, i don't think ive seen a great console launch lineup since the Dreamcast, and that had a huge lead in japan to get them out the door. I'd even go so far as to say all 4 gens of Playstation have had medium to okay launches at best, but who focuses on this when looking back at any of them? The N64 had one of the best launch titles of all time, but not much for a great deal of time after that...it's a weird criteria to focus on, i think.

Quote Originally Posted by o.pwuaioc View Post
Pilotwings is phenomenal. Seriously, it's 100x better than Altered Beast. Maybe AB is an acquired taste, but I see no reason to pursue it further with the 100+ better Genesis games out there.
haha this is a weird comparison but yeah, id agree Pilotwings is way better. it's a mode 7 tech demo basically but ends up being fun, whereas i didn't get that from the 3DS game sadly.

I love how people are ignorantly arguing against wiggyx and are making his point for him. Bravo, Genesis fanboys. Way to give fans of one of the best consoles out there a bad name.
if you've been following, the ignorance was pointed out multiple times regarding his statement about arcadey titles with no replacy value (which somehow incorporated Shinobi) and conflated launch lineups with other titles. if discussing something rationally & pointing out mistakes "gives things a bad name" or makes fanboys of people, i suppose i'm on the wrong forum?