Limited Run Games (producing physical copies of digital games)

[Bojay1997]

No matter if you hate or defend LRG...there is now no doubt that LRG wants to milk their customers dry. $100 CE for Outlast. Wow, just wow.

They have been called out on Twitter for a potential lie they state. According to them, there was no way to put both games in a cart, even though they claim they wanted to, because it required a 64GB cart and it was mad expensive. Yet it's been found that with games can fit in a 16GB card. Though LRG claims that they have to put more data on the card and that it would not fit in a 16GB card, users have pointed out that a 32GB card was possible.

Bottom line? They just want more money. And that $100 CE just proves that.

Oh, and the games will cost $30 and $35 for each title, making it $65 total. I bought the PS4 version for...$15 new. Yeah.

Not quite accurate. The games total 15.3 GB assuming nothing else is required to put them on a cart. A 16GB cart is only 14.9 GB of useable capacity. It's possible that they could have fit both games on one 32GB cart, but the cost of a 32GB cart is more than two individual 16GB carts. I agree that it sounds like LRG aren't being totally upfront about why they didn't go with the 32GB cart, but it's simply not true that a 16GB cart would have fit both.

[Aussie2B]

At least it looks like you get more for your money than the DariusBurst CE, which was also $100. That said, the only thing I plan to buy this Friday is Dragon Sinker.

[kupomogli]

Not quite accurate. The games total 15.3 GB assuming nothing else is required to put them on a cart. A 16GB cart is only 14.9 GB of useable capacity. It's possible that they could have fit both games on one 32GB cart, but the cost of a 32GB cart is more than two individual 16GB carts. I agree that it sounds like LRG aren't being totally upfront about why they didn't go with the 32GB cart, but it's simply not true that a 16GB cart would have fit both.

It doesn't change the fact that the games are $30 each while the PS4 version launched with with both games at $30. How hard is it to question Nintendo or Sony to customize the case to allow two discs, two Vita cards, two Switch cards, etc. The reason why I mention other consoles, is because this isn't the first time LRG has done this. Steamworld Collection was released on the Vita and that in no way was "insufficient space" to fit on a single card, compared to both PS4 and Wii U that had both games on disc.

Or, how about when I mentioned after the second LRG release of the Kemco RPGs that Kemco announced a Japanese exclusive game that included two of those games. The collection includes four games for less than two LRG releases. LRG later released the final two games in the collection at $25 each. After the Japanese announcement of the collection. I don't think the fanbase who purchased the previous two would be that upset when the alternative is to pay $25, but hey, LRG doesn't give a crap about it's fanbase, it's all about the money and it's always been about the money. The die hard fans are starting to finally realize this, though they should have realized this long before.

And it's already been stated, but why the hell are we still paying a premium when they no longer have any of these games on hand? Their excuse used to be because of the risk. Even back then there was no risk, because when every single game sells out within a few days you've already made your money back alongside a massive return. The fact that they don't even have these games on hand for months means the risk excuse is even more bullshit, so when they do something like this it's even more scummy.

[megasdkirby]

Not quite accurate. The games total 15.3 GB assuming nothing else is required to put them on a cart. A 16GB cart is only 14.9 GB of useable capacity. It's possible that they could have fit both games on one 32GB cart, but the cost of a 32GB cart is more than two individual 16GB carts. I agree that it sounds like LRG aren't being totally upfront about why they didn't go with the 32GB cart, but it's simply not true that a 16GB cart would have fit both.

Agreed. But the fact that it could have fit in a 32GB cart instead of two 16GB was plausible. And of course, instead of placing both cards in a single Switch case and instead of two cases makes me believe that they did it on purpose to make more profit. A very shady move, I believe.

Unfortunately, if LRG cheerleaders put up with this BS, LRG will continue doing the same crap they have been doing. This is why I am happy when they can't sell all of their stock immediately, as I hope that will teach them to stop doing the shit they do.

[Bojay1997]

Agreed. But the fact that it could have fit in a 32GB cart instead of two 16GB was plausible. And of course, instead of placing both cards in a single Switch case and instead of two cases makes me believe that they did it on purpose to make more profit. A very shady move, I believe.

Unfortunately, if LRG cheerleaders put up with this BS, LRG will continue doing the same crap they have been doing. This is why I am happy when they can't sell all of their stock immediately, as I hope that will teach them to stop doing the shit they do.

LRG is doing fine. They are continuing to release games that wouldn't get a physical release otherwise and the great thing about it is if there is a game you think is too expensive or don't like for whatever reason, you can decide not to buy it. The constant complaining is really getting tired at this point. It's always some giant conspiracy or scheme and they are always the shadiest and most horrible company in the world and yet the same people complaining the loudest are always the ones that continue to buy. If you want to make a point, stop buying their stuff and walk away. You can choose to believe them or not, it doesn't really matter because nobody is forcing you to buy their stuff. As long as they deliver what they promise in the end, I'm perfectly happy to keep buying from them and I suspect most of the other collectors who buy from them feel the exact same way.

[Bojay1997]

It doesn't change the fact that the games are $30 each while the PS4 version launched with with both games at $30. How hard is it to question Nintendo or Sony to customize the case to allow two discs, two Vita cards, two Switch cards, etc. The reason why I mention other consoles, is because this isn't the first time LRG has done this. Steamworld Collection was released on the Vita and that in no way was "insufficient space" to fit on a single card, compared to both PS4 and Wii U that had both games on disc.

Or, how about when I mentioned after the second LRG release of the Kemco RPGs that Kemco announced a Japanese exclusive game that included two of those games. The collection includes four games for less than two LRG releases. LRG later released the final two games in the collection at $25 each. After the Japanese announcement of the collection. I don't think the fanbase who purchased the previous two would be that upset when the alternative is to pay $25, but hey, LRG doesn't give a crap about it's fanbase, it's all about the money and it's always been about the money. The die hard fans are starting to finally realize this, though they should have realized this long before.

And it's already been stated, but why the hell are we still paying a premium when they no longer have any of these games on hand? Their excuse used to be because of the risk. Even back then there was no risk, because when every single game sells out within a few days you've already made your money back alongside a massive return. The fact that they don't even have these games on hand for months means the risk excuse is even more bullshit, so when they do something like this it's even more scummy.

So don't buy the game. You said it yourself, you can buy it cheaper on PS4. You can also buy it cheaper on PC and PS4 digitally. Nobody cares if you buy it or not. Some of us will buy it because we want a physical copy on a great platform in the Switch and there is no other way to get a physical copy for that platform.

LRG is relatively constrained in what they can do because if they change the structure of a digital release, they have to submit it as if it's an entirely new product to Sony and Nintendo. That's why they were floating the idea of doing Telltale game releases that spanned five discs when all of the episodes could easily fit on one disc. They don't have the ability to repackage the assets, they literally just take the digital build and slap it on physical media. That's also why in most cases it only costs $25 or $30 for a game and not $50 or $60 since the amount of technical expertise and programming they are paying for is small.

Whether the games are on hand or not has nothing to do with pricing. Gamestop doesn't discount the price of their exclusives just because you have to preorder months in advance or risk a sellout. You also have no idea if LRG make a big profit or not. They have a number of employees, warehouse and office space, IT and utility costs, packaging and shipping/fulfillment costs, customer service expenses, taxes, payroll, benefits and lots of overhead that eats up the profit they make. Of course, that doesn't even include ESRB costs, replication costs and the most important cost, the revenue share to the developer. Frankly, I suspect you have never run a business in your life and have no idea what you're talking about. Moreover, if you feel so strongly about your opinions, I would encourage you to take them directly to LRG and give them an opportunity to defend themselves. Instead, you always run here where you can hide behind the anonymity of a dead forum where LRG will never see your crazy claims and theories. It's really super sad.

[Gameguy]

Remember, don't have or post an opinion unless it's the same as Bojay1997's.

[Gameguy]

You also have no idea if LRG make a big profit or not.


LRG is doing fine.
So how do you know how they're doing? Do you have access to their accounting information?

[Bojay1997]

So how do you know how they're doing? Do you have access to their accounting information?

I actually know a couple of developers personally who have deals with them, so I know what the publishing deals look like. Similarly, I do a lot of legal work for small businesses in the media and entertainment space, so I understand pretty specifically how a publishing and distribution software business works. Couple that with the information that the owners of LRG have provided publicly about their business and I think I have a pretty good handle on how their business operates.

[Bojay1997]

Remember, don't have or post an opinion unless it's the same as Bojay1997's.

Or, you know, post an opinion that is backed up with actual data or facts instead of just continually attacking a business built with hard work by fellow collectors and gamers through unsubstantiated speculation and innuendo of nefarious activities.

[kupomogli]

Or, you know, post an opinion that is backed up with actual data or facts instead of just continually attacking a business built with hard work by fellow collectors and gamers through unsubstantiated speculation and innuendo of nefarious activities.

Bojay trying to justify why his opinion is more valid than our opinions while he also doesn't know the exact details of LRG's business.

I think this is really the perfect time to say "ithat's just your opinion, man." I'm called out for forcing my opinions down people's throat for liking to give detail as to why I think what I do, but Bojay is saying our opinion is wrong and because he thinks he might have more knowledge about how a business is ran, that he knows exactly how LRG is running their business.

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Bojay, you really need to get your head out of your high horses ass.

[Gameguy]

Or, you know, post an opinion that is backed up with actual data or facts instead of just continually attacking a business built with hard work by fellow collectors and gamers through unsubstantiated speculation and innuendo of nefarious activities.
You keep wanting consumers to view LRG from a business perspective instead of from a customer's prospective, that's just not going to happen. Any business won't succeed just because consumers feel sorry for them, empathising with how hard it is to run a profitable business. Consumers support businesses as long as they feel they're personally getting sufficient value for what they're spending, while also feeling appreciated for being a customer. The exception for feeling appreciated is if the product is sufficiently priced lower than it's perceived value, as in being priced incredibly cheap. People buy things from soulless big box stores because they're the cheapest option, and will switch stores if another one becomes cheaper, because there's no loyalty to any particular store due to how impersonal customers are treated.

Even if everything you say about LRG is true, that they truly only care about their customers and are trying their best to meet demands at the lowest prices possible, that they aren't in any way greedy, etc, then they have a much different problem. Their marketing and PR is terrible. They're still coming across like they just care about making as much of a profit as they can and that's it, that their customers should be grateful just for the chance at obtaining one of their elusive products as we're all undeserving of them. Large corporations like Wal-Mart and Disney only care about profit but they still come across as cuddly and friendly because their marketing and PR is much better.

If there are issues or anything that could possibly be improved, those issues should be brought up. If people just stopped buying their products as you're suggesting("So don't buy the game") then that's money they'll be losing, and that would eventually lead to bankruptcy if enough of their customers stop buying from them. It's like when restaurants are just confused why they aren't getting customers anymore and just go out of business, rather than adapt by correcting issues and attracting customers again. It's not just the food or product they receive, but the pricing, and the customer service too. A restaurant can have amazing food but if the servers treat you like total garbage you still won't be eating there again. I welcome discussions here about everyone's opinion and experiences, not just positive-only posts about the company.

Also, I personally don't believe the angle that they're releasing games that just wouldn't otherwise get a release at all, at least not anymore. There are several other companies doing the same thing they are, if LRG wasn't licensing games for release then a different company would be doing it instead.

[Bojay1997]

You keep wanting consumers to view LRG from a business perspective instead of from a customer's prospective, that's just not going to happen. Any business won't succeed just because consumers feel sorry for them, empathising with how hard it is to run a profitable business. Consumers support businesses as long as they feel they're personally getting sufficient value for what they're spending, while also feeling appreciated for being a customer. The exception for feeling appreciated is if the product is sufficiently priced lower than it's perceived value, as in being priced incredibly cheap. People buy things from soulless big box stores because they're the cheapest option, and will switch stores if another one becomes cheaper, because there's no loyalty to any particular store due to how impersonal customers are treated.

Even if everything you say about LRG is true, that they truly only care about their customers and are trying their best to meet demands at the lowest prices possible, that they aren't in any way greedy, etc, then they have a much different problem. Their marketing and PR is terrible. They're still coming across like they just care about making as much of a profit as they can and that's it, that their customers should be grateful just for the chance at obtaining one of their elusive products as we're all undeserving of them. Large corporations like Wal-Mart and Disney only care about profit but they still come across as cuddly and friendly because their marketing and PR is much better.

If there are issues or anything that could possibly be improved, those issues should be brought up. If people just stopped buying their products as you're suggesting("So don't buy the game") then that's money they'll be losing, and that would eventually lead to bankruptcy if enough of their customers stop buying from them. It's like when restaurants are just confused why they aren't getting customers anymore and just go out of business, rather than adapt by correcting issues and attracting customers again. It's not just the food or product they receive, but the pricing, and the customer service too. A restaurant can have amazing food but if the servers treat you like total garbage you still won't be eating there again. I welcome discussions here about everyone's opinion and experiences, not just positive-only posts about the company.

Also, I personally don't believe the angle that they're releasing games that just wouldn't otherwise get a release at all, at least not anymore. There are several other companies doing the same thing they are, if LRG wasn't licensing games for release then a different company would be doing it instead.

Here's the thing. People are free to post whatever thoughts and opinions about LRG here or elsewhere. My issue is with people posting and repeating false information in an attempt to support that their opinions are somehow better informed and based in fact when clearly they are not. As someone who has worked with many businesses over the years, I understand how important consumer feedback can be. At the same time, the proliferation of easy feedback tools like e-mail, Yelp, Twitter, Facebook, other social media, etc...have changed the way businesses have to weigh and incorporate feedback. In other words, in the old days when people had to mail a letter or make a phone call to complain, those complaints tended to have more value because it took a lot of effort to even complain. Today, anyone can post a complaint or make a suggestion and unfortunately, businesses can't incorporate all of them or even respond to all of them. Ultimately, the measure of success or failure of a business is its sales and LRG continues to do well, even recently reaching a deal with Best Buy to distribute a few titles in their stores.

With regard to the competition, I disagree that there is any other company out there that has a business model that would allow the release of even a fraction of the releases LRG is able to get into collector and gamer hands physically. I mean LRG is at well over 100 releases in three years when the next most prolific competitors (Play Asia and Soedesco) are at maybe 20 each in the same period. Ultimately, I still contend that much of the negative is being spewed by folks who are envious of what LRG has been able to accomplish and the fact that they are gamers and collectors like many of us. While there is always room for improvement, LRG knows what they are doing and has successfully navigated the transition to a highly saturated marketplace while continuing to provide greater variety for gamers and collectors to choose from.

[Gameguy]

With regard to the competition, I disagree that there is any other company out there that has a business model that would allow the release of even a fraction of the releases LRG is able to get into collector and gamer hands physically. I mean LRG is at well over 100 releases in three years when the next most prolific competitors (Play Asia and Soedesco) are at maybe 20 each in the same period.
The feeling I get with LRG is that it's quantity over quality, they just want to publish and profit on as many games as possible regardless if they're good or not. They know people will buy them for their collectability and as a future "investment" due to how limited they are. I don't know if that's really how they feel or not(I do suspect so), but that's how they're starting to come across to a large number of their customer base. Yes they're still selling out, and as you can see in this thread even the people who regularly complain about them are still buying games from them. Eventually people will become burnt out on buying every release and variant just to have a complete collection, and then they'll just focus on games they personally like, and eventually stop buying the majority of the titles being released. It just hasn't peaked yet, but it will. Just like with Beanie Babies.

I still feel that if LRG wasn't around, other companies already releasing similar games would pick up the slack and start publishing more games. They just aren't fighting over as many of the games that LRG are already picking up.

[Bojay1997]

The feeling I get with LRG is that it's quantity over quality, they just want to publish and profit on as many games as possible regardless if they're good or not. They know people will buy them for their collectability and as a future "investment" due to how limited they are. I don't know if that's really how they feel or not(I do suspect so), but that's how they're starting to come across to a large number of their customer base. Yes they're still selling out, and as you can see in this thread even the people who regularly complain about them are still buying games from them. Eventually people will become burnt out on buying every release and variant just to have a complete collection, and then they'll just focus on games they personally like, and eventually stop buying the majority of the titles being released. It just hasn't peaked yet, but it will. Just like with Beanie Babies.

I still feel that if LRG wasn't around, other companies already releasing similar games would pick up the slack and start publishing more games. They just aren't fighting over as many of the games that LRG are already picking up.

People have been making that same argument since the beginning and what I really like about LRG is that they aren't always just about the higher profile games and that they honor their indie roots by releasing stuff that literally nobody else would. There are very few LRG games that I would say are objectively bad and while not all of their releases are for everyone, I do think they have tons of variety and quality to make it more than just collecting for the sake of collecting. Regardless, they have been the first to admit that their customer base has changed over time and scalpers and resellers are on the decline as are "full setters". That means they have had to broaden their customer base which seems to be good for everyone.

I don't know that there are all that many companies that would be willing to do runs of as few as 2,000 games like LRG does even three years in. Most of the other companies that existed prior to LRG are retail focused and that means quantities of 10K+ on most titles and often more. Some companies like Badlands have essentially collapsed and others like Rising Star have shifted to the digital space and far fewer physical releases. Soedesco is still around but they are doing fewer releases and are now more focused on monetizing by doing large collector's editions. Special Reserve has struggled despite having lots of assistance from LRG and really, the only successful publisher has been Play Asia, although they seem to be focused mostly on games that will sell well in the Asian market as well as worldwide. I just don't see anyone out there that would pick up the slack and there are certainly much less reputable companies out there like Super Rare Games that have no problem artificially manipulating supply by claiming sell-outs and then quickly bundling the same games to maximize profits.

[kupomogli]

The feeling I get with LRG is that it's quantity over quality, they just want to publish and profit on as many games as possible regardless if they're good or not. They know people will buy them for their collectability and as a future "investment" due to how limited they are. I don't know if that's really how they feel or not(I do suspect so), but that's how they're starting to come across to a large number of their customer base. Yes they're still selling out, and as you can see in this thread even the people who regularly complain about them are still buying games from them. Eventually people will become burnt out on buying every release and variant just to have a complete collection, and then they'll just focus on games they personally like, and eventually stop buying the majority of the titles being released. It just hasn't peaked yet, but it will. Just like with Beanie Babies.

I still feel that if LRG wasn't around, other companies already releasing similar games would pick up the slack and start publishing more games. They just aren't fighting over as many of the games that LRG are already picking up.

It is and people have been starting to get burnt out. Just take a look at LRG earlier releases once they started getting a bit more popular and how many games they moved, now a lot of their most popular games are only pushing around the same the less popular games in the past were.

Take Salt and Sanctuary, a very recent PS4/Vita release. 4300 copies for PS4 and 2800 for Vita.
Then there's Nex Machina was PS4 only that was in the peak of LRG popularity, with 8500 copies, more than both the PS4 and Vita version of Salt and Sanctuary combined. La Mulana was Vita only and had 5500 copies. Windjammers was 12,300.

Or even compare the Kemco titles. Asdivine Hearts was the first released Kemco title with 3800 each console, while Dragon Sinker is the latest released game with 2300 each console. So yeah, people have definitely been getting burnt out on LRG releasing anything and everything they can.

[Aussie2B]

While there has been a general trend of LRG releases selling less and slower, recent Vita games are poor examples. Sony is limiting how many Vita cards can be ordered by each publisher, so LRG has to ration their allocation among all the remaining Vita releases they have. They would make the Vita print runs larger for some games if they could. Salt & Sanctuary sold out extremely fast on Vita and didn't come close to meeting demand. They also underestimated Salt & Sanctuary demand by assuming the Switch release would lower demand more than it actually did.

[Bojay1997]

While there has been a general trend of LRG releases selling less and slower, recent Vita games are poor examples. Sony is limiting how many Vita cards can be ordered by each publisher, so LRG has to ration their allocation among all the remaining Vita releases they have. They would make the Vita print runs larger for some games if they could. Salt & Sanctuary sold out extremely fast on Vita and didn't come close to meeting demand. They also underestimated Salt & Sanctuary demand by assuming the Switch release would lower demand more than it actually did.

Not to mention the Switch releases have been selling massive amounts during the preorder windows. If you look at total number of units across all SKUs in any given month, LRG's sales are up substantially from last year even with a much higher volume of releases.

[kupomogli]

While there has been a general trend of LRG releases selling less and slower, recent Vita games are poor examples. Sony is limiting how many Vita cards can be ordered by each publisher, so LRG has to ration their allocation among all the remaining Vita releases they have. They would make the Vita print runs larger for some games if they could. Salt & Sanctuary sold out extremely fast on Vita and didn't come close to meeting demand. They also underestimated Salt & Sanctuary demand by assuming the Switch release would lower demand more than it actually did.

There's still the Kemco comparison I made. Asdivine Hearts with 3800 on PS4 and Dragon Sinker with only 2300. Vita doesn't change the fact that they cut the quantity nearly in half.

[Bojay1997]

There's still the Kemco comparison I made. Asdivine Hearts with 3800 on PS4 and Dragon Sinker with only 2300. Vita doesn't change the fact that they cut the quantity nearly in half.

They have a total allotment of carts for the rest of their vita releases, so they are dividing them in a manner which they feel fits demand. It doesn't change the fact that their total sales, including on Vita, are way up this year.

[Aussie2B]

Dragon Sinker was affected by the rationing just the same as Salt & Sanctuary. You'd have to go to back June releases or either further to find a Vita game where LRG could pick any print run size they wanted. The fact Dragon Sinker is still in stock says something, but there's no conclusions to be drawn from the print run size.

[kupomogli]

I'd say no offense, but making me having to reiterate my post a second time because blind ignorance, yeah. I'm not sure if people aren't just fucking stupid or fucking blind, but the entire reason I already reiterated my post once, is to point out that the PS4 version of Adivine had 3800 copies, and the PS4 version of Dragon Sinker only had 2300 copies. The amount of PS4 copies of these two PS4 games were cut nearly in half from the first PS4 Kemco release to the latest PS4 Kemco release because the PS4 version of these PS4 games do not have limitations restricted on them because they are for the PS4 console, printed on PS4 Bluray discs, and packaged in PS4 cases with labels that explicitly state PS4 on the front cover of this PS4 label, in the PS4 box, and on the PS4 disc, of the PS4 game, that you can only play on the PS4 or the PS4 Pro, and possibly even the PS5 if it has backwards compatibility with the PS4 or a PC emulator once there's PS4 emulation where you can play the PS4 games that are meant to be played on PS4 hardware. PS4.


It doesn't change the fact that their total sales, including on Vita, are way up this year.

And their numbers being up doesn't change the fact that each title is selling less. I'm not sure why you're starting to argue that they're making more sales than ever before even though they're selling less of each title. They're releasing more product than ever before, that much is obvious. You still have a lot of people that will purchase anything and everything that releases and that is going to make up for any lost amount of individual game sales when they're purchasing from a larger release pool, that includes many mom and pop businesses that buy games bulk which LRG has a few of those. That's the likeliest reason why there's more sales overall but the individual product sales are lower.

I'm certain though that LRG would rather sell more copies of fewer games rather than more games with fewer copies each release. So despite having more sales, the individual releases expenses are eating into their profits more so than if they were to have less games and lower sales. Who knows how much profit they're making in comparison, it's not too difficult to do some research and come up with a decent guess if they're making more or less, and more than likely they are making more profit with nearly every release getting a half assed overpriced collector's edition it doesn't deserve combined with a much higher quantity of releases. However, if they didn't alienate their fanbase by releasing a constant stream of shit month in and month out for long periods of time week after week, they would have had a grew to a higher amount of sales per week, they wouldn't have to be putting so much effort licensing games as quickly as they can to make the same or a bit more, they wouldn't have had to pay all the expenses for each game. LRG treated their fanbase like dollar signs and the fanbase quit supporting them.

I'm just one of the few people who weren't blind of all this and realized what LRG was doing long before the flood of people who attack LRG Twitter day in and out are stating the same thing. If I'm a troll, then there's thousands of LRG fans who are trolls as well because they've started feeling the same way. And I'm aware that "if you don't like their practice don't buy it." But by not complaining about it, the practice gets worse, other publishers pick up that the public doesn't care, and then we start seeing this happen everywhere until it's out of control and no voice of the public can do anything to stop it(day one DLC, season passes, microtransactions, etc.)

[Aussie2B]

LRG has released four Kemco RPGs thus far, each for both PS4 and Vita, and of those, only one didn't have matching print run sizes for both platforms. So even though, yes, LRG doesn't have to ration out PS4 discs, there's still no way of knowing for sure that the limits for Vita aren't also affecting their choices for PS4 in the case of multiplatform releases, if LRG or a developer wants the print runs to be equal. Also, if you start your argument factoring in something, don't be surprised if people don't immediately realize or notice that you're suddenly factoring that out of your argument. Snide remarks and insults are uncalled for.

[Aussie2B]

Today is "Next Level Friday", and LRG is selling Double Switch for PS4 and Night Trap for Vita, with a collector's edition of each available. Unrelated to the Sega CD theme, there's also Siralim 2 for Vita and PS4. The first batch is selling out pretty fast, especially standard copies of Night Trap.

After skipping the PS4 and Switch versions, LRG finally suckered me into buying Night Trap. I got the CE and a Vita copy of Siralim 2.

[kupomogli]

Thanks to LRG and the shitty fucking way they announce games, I didn't Syralim 2 was coming out until today. Keeping up with their piece of shit Twitter account is like a full time job if you want to make sure you don't miss anything that might interest you. Siralim was announced this Tuesday and people bitch about this shit constantly, but what does LRG do? They know their shit will sell so who the fuck cares. I'm tired of hearing the excuses they're bound by contractual agreements, etc, because you don't know what the fucking agreements are, and until you do, your excuses don't mean shit. Anyone with fucking common sense realizes how bullshit it is the way that LRG are doing their announcements yet they consistently do this same shit nearly weekly. It wasn't a day prior this time but it was damn near close.

So I didn't get the Vita version of Siralim 2. Do I want it? Yeah, but I'm not even going to bother wasting my time for the late release. I've got shit to do, not going to have every waking moment revolve around LRG and their bullshit. Yet Doug and Josh act so surprised when their releases sell out slower and slower because they pull bullshit like this. Srsly fuck the way they do business, shitting all over people who are interested in the games they release and acting like everything revolves around them.

*edit*

You got to put a lot of effort just so you can reward yourself with some overpriced fucking games.

[Aussie2B]

Well, that's why I normally bump this topic when things are put up for sale, to give everyone a heads-up if they haven't been keeping up with the news. I also updated the first post with Siralim 2's release date shortly after it was revealed. So if somebody follows this topic, they shouldn't have to do too much digging for info elsewhere. But the short notice does indeed suck.

[megasdkirby]

The constant complaining is really getting tired at this point. It's always some giant conspiracy or scheme and they are always the shadiest and most horrible company in the world and yet the same people complaining the loudest are always the ones that continue to buy. If you want to make a point, stop buying their stuff and walk away. You can choose to believe them or not, it doesn't really matter because nobody is forcing you to buy their stuff. As long as they deliver what they promise in the end, I'm perfectly happy to keep buying from them and I suspect most of the other collectors who buy from them feel the exact same way.

That's the problem. They can release poop in a box and slap their label, and it will still sell. Because LRG cheerleaders will buy whatever they release. And you know this too.

Look at the last CEs they have released. They have been quite terrible in value and a just a way to squeeze more money from the customer. Of course, to each their own: people want to spend on crap, so let them. But I've been noticing that lately, some of their CEs have either sold slowly or not sold out at all. I hope this means that people are wising up and realizing that those releases are just not worth it.

Complaints will also linger, be it from fans or haters. I love LRG but think that some of their practices are idiotic. And I fear that those practices will eventually harm them. To say "They are doing just fine" is ignorant because we are turning a blind eye to what could eventually cause their downfall. Josh from LRG is like this, and even when given some sound advice, he totally ignores it to then later complain and say "I don't understand why this happened duh". Look at Sears and it's employees/administration: when working there they said the same nonsense and look what happened. You will probably say "Not the same...", But the core is: company makes stupid decisions that bite them on the ass.

I will continue critizicing LRG because I really like them. I'm not going to be a cheerleader and think everything they do is perfect because that could eventually be their downfall. I rather see them improve thanks to their critical fans than fanboys who don't contribute anything other than money.

[Bojay1997]

That's the problem. They can release poop in a box and slap their label, and it will still sell. Because LRG cheerleaders will buy whatever they release. And you know this too.

Look at the last CEs they have released. They have been quite terrible in value and a just a way to squeeze more money from the customer. Of course, to each their own: people want to spend on crap, so let them. But I've been noticing that lately, some of their CEs have either sold slowly or not sold out at all. I hope this means that people are wising up and realizing that those releases are just not worth it.

Complaints will also linger, be it from fans or haters. I love LRG but think that some of their practices are idiotic. And I fear that those practices will eventually harm them. To say "They are doing just fine" is ignorant because we are turning a blind eye to what could eventually cause their downfall. Josh from LRG is like this, and even when given some sound advice, he totally ignores it to then later complain and say "I don't understand why this happened duh". Look at Sears and it's employees/administration: when working there they said the same nonsense and look what happened. You will probably say "Not the same...", But the core is: company makes stupid decisions that bite them on the ass.

I will continue critizicing LRG because I really like them. I'm not going to be a cheerleader and think everything they do is perfect because that could eventually be their downfall. I rather see them improve thanks to their critical fans than fanboys who don't contribute anything other than money.

LRG is a business. It's a business run by collectors and gamers. It's also a business that has generated over $25 million in gross revenue in three years. If they need advice and guidance, they can reach out to people with expertise in the areas that are creating problems for them. Receiving constant criticism from people who know nothing about running a business is frankly not productive. Companies like JC Penney and Sears have failed because they spent too much time running focus groups and trying to chase what they thought their customer base wanted. Successful businesses have strong leaders who chart a course and consider reasonable customer feedback, but don't let that feedback override their good judgment. You may think you're helping, but frankly you're just reinforcing all the negative perceptions that people who are not so invested in LRG and won't take the time to check it out for themselves are being exposed to.

[kupomogli]

Expect Rabi Ribi to release in Summer 2017, we're finally getting it Winter 2018. Comes out this Friday. Doug made such a huge deal about it being LRG and that they were going to have the game available before PQube and then after PQube released theirs he stated it was releasing soon so don't buy the PQube version, many people I know were tired of waiting on LRG version so it's going to sell less because of that.

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/862372408912740367

Me, I was holding for the LRG release because I'd rather have ESRB ratings over the PAL ratings. If I can help it I'd never buy a PAL release. I'm a bit OCD about the ratings systems being so different. Here's what's really fucking bullshit though. LRG release is a year and a half later yet they're selling the game at premium despite being able to buy the game for $11 after conversion.

And since according to Bojay, I don't ever post anything negative about LRG in their forum, I've decided to link my post there so Bojay can see it.

http://www.mightyrabbitstudios.com/limitedrunforums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5187

[Bojay1997]

Expect Rabi Ribi to release in Summer 2017, we're finally getting it Winter 2018. Comes out this Friday. Doug made such a huge deal about it being LRG and that they were going to have the game available before PQube and then after PQube released theirs he stated it was releasing soon so don't buy the PQube version, many people I know were tired of waiting on LRG version so it's going to sell less because of that.

https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/862372408912740367

Me, I was holding for the LRG release because I'd rather have ESRB ratings over the PAL ratings. If I can help it I'd never buy a PAL release. I'm a bit OCD about the ratings systems being so different. Here's what's really fucking bullshit though. LRG release is a year and a half later yet they're selling the game at premium despite being able to buy the game for $11 after conversion.

And since according to Bojay, I don't ever post anything negative about LRG in their forum, I've decided to link my post there so Bojay can see it.

http://www.mightyrabbitstudios.com/limitedrunforums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5187

I saw it. You finally had the guts to post a criticism on a forum where LRG might actually see it, so credit where credit it due. Unfortunately, your argument was completely idiotic, but small steps I suppose.

[kupomogli]

Unless you stalk me on LRG or something, you don't know what I post. I've actually criticzed a lot of stuff over there. Ninja Senki DX when Doug asked people if they would buy it for $25 for example.

And yeah, LRG is releasing the game for $30 instead of $35, or $40 that you might normally expect, and we all know why that is, all the recent criticism they got, like the $99 special edition, or selling each title of Outlast individually despite being able to fit on one cart. Which btw, I started The Banner Saga and there's no UI on that to choose between games, you choose to download each game individually from the systems UI, so LRG could have easily did the same thing instead of the developers creating and coding a new selection menu and then recoding the old data into a single game.

The PQube version is $11 right now, and it's the same game. Yes LRG version is completely patched, but like I stated in a later post the patches are more than likely insignificant, and it's not like LRG put any effort on prior releases to make sure all games were fully patched outside of Cosmic Star Heroine and Salt and Sanctuary which the developers themselves stated they wanted the games to be fully patched before being put on disc. N++ for example is missing 50% content that the developers announced long before LRG made the announcement and got the rights to publish the game.

Fair is fair. Diablo 3 gets criticized by Switch owners for being $60, as do many other releases, but this game was never on the Switch before, so a $60 price point is fair compared to the $40 that PS4?XBO could buy it for. The Reaper of Souls edition has been $20 for a long time, almost no one would have bought the $60 Eternal edition on those consoles. The difference with Rabi Ribi, the difference with Caladrius Blaze, the difference Ys Origin, the difference with any and every game that LRG publishes that is more expensive than the competition is going to get criticized. Not expecting a $30 game when the game has been out for a decade is legitimate. LRG might be an American company, but it's not a brick but there's almost no difference than ordering from LRG and an import store. And while this is more as a joke, I've actually had shipping confirmation emails from LRG that came around the same time Play-Asia orders have shipped.... I got the Play-Asia versions first. Yeah, not a funny joke huh? That's because it's pretty pathetic in LRG case, more like LRG is the joke.

[Aussie2B]

You can't blame LRG for the Rabi-Ribi delays. That's all on Sekai Project. They're the ones who have kept LRG in the dark half the time and stringing them along with promises of "soon" that don't actually end up being soon. It's the same reason all the Sekai Project visual novels LRG is scheduled to release have been delayed forever too, and why the Vita versions of all those were cancelled. None of the others have even made it to PSN yet, and it's questionable if LRG will ever be able to release them. So the fact that Rabi-Ribi even made it to PSN and got these physical releases from PQube and LRG, including a physical Vita version before the end of Vita production, is a small miracle.

[Bojay1997]

Unless you stalk me on LRG or something, you don't know what I post. I've actually criticzed a lot of stuff over there. Ninja Senki DX when Doug asked people if they would buy it for $25 for example.

And yeah, LRG is releasing the game for $30 instead of $35, or $40 that you might normally expect, and we all know why that is, all the recent criticism they got, like the $99 special edition, or selling each title of Outlast individually despite being able to fit on one cart. Which btw, I started The Banner Saga and there's no UI on that to choose between games, you choose to download each game individually from the systems UI, so LRG could have easily did the same thing instead of the developers creating and coding a new selection menu and then recoding the old data into a single game.

The PQube version is $11 right now, and it's the same game. Yes LRG version is completely patched, but like I stated in a later post the patches are more than likely insignificant, and it's not like LRG put any effort on prior releases to make sure all games were fully patched outside of Cosmic Star Heroine and Salt and Sanctuary which the developers themselves stated they wanted the games to be fully patched before being put on disc. N++ for example is missing 50% content that the developers announced long before LRG made the announcement and got the rights to publish the game.

Fair is fair. Diablo 3 gets criticized by Switch owners for being $60, as do many other releases, but this game was never on the Switch before, so a $60 price point is fair compared to the $40 that PS4?XBO could buy it for. The Reaper of Souls edition has been $20 for a long time, almost no one would have bought the $60 Eternal edition on those consoles. The difference with Rabi Ribi, the difference with Caladrius Blaze, the difference Ys Origin, the difference with any and every game that LRG publishes that is more expensive than the competition is going to get criticized. Not expecting a $30 game when the game has been out for a decade is legitimate. LRG might be an American company, but it's not a brick but there's almost no difference than ordering from LRG and an import store. And while this is more as a joke, I've actually had shipping confirmation emails from LRG that came around the same time Play-Asia orders have shipped.... I got the Play-Asia versions first. Yeah, not a funny joke huh? That's because it's pretty pathetic in LRG case, more like LRG is the joke.

Bud, I don't stalk you, but I am active on the LRG forums and I frequently see your walls of text that nobody reads. In any event, there is not a single person who has agreed with your argument on the LRG forums, so while you are entitled to your opinion, it's not something that most people share. Anyway, you seem to hate LRG so much that I can't for the life of me understand why you would ever buy their products or spend time on their forums. Must be some kind of mental issue to cause you to expend so much time and energy attacking something that nobody is forcing you to buy or spend one moment thinking about.

[kupomogli]

Anyway, you seem to hate LRG so much that I can't for the life of me understand why you would ever buy their products or spend time on their forums.

Almost no one posts at Digital Press, so while you see me ranting about the bs that LRG does, that's what I do, I criticize gaming companies when discussing on video game forums. However what you don't see is how much I defend LRG at times, to people who might dislike LRG for no reason whatsoever. I have a friend that says LRG is shit and hasn't released a single good game, and I know the only reason for that is because of the limited releases and nothing more, a friend who has the Play-Asia version of Ys Origin mind you.

It's all about perception, what I say online, what LRG, Sony, Nintendo, etc, does. LRG looks like they run their business with little to no regard of their fanbase. Fans request earlier release announcements? Nope. Fans request a less bloated release schedule? Nope, or even when they do listen next month it's back again.

Infact, I'll even admit that I was wrong about LRG Rabi-Ribi release, and to be fair it wasn't much my fault but because of the lack of information from LRG. It wasn't until Doug posted in my thread that they've included not only the updates but the additional DLC AND the soundtrack that I kind of fucked up with that post. Hell, even most of the LRG members in the thread were responding about "it includes a soundtrack CD and the DLC as well?" So if the people who follow this stuff night and day didn't know that about it, how do you expect someone who is "out to troll LRG(atleast in your opinion?") Which I am going to edit my original post and then post a response to bump it to the top to reflect this.

Last week was the first time I've ever missed a game I was interested in and it was all due to an announcement that was in the middle of the week that I didn't notice. Yes, I got the PS4 version of Siralim 2, but I missed the Vita version and I had stuff to do, I couldn't guarantee I'd be able to be there at 5PM to make sure that I ordered the PS4 and Vita copy, so I ordered the PS4 copy and left it at that. That right there really pissed me off as I'm sure a lot of people who miss copies of games they're interested in get pissed off, but in my case I never knew about the announcement because of its structure.

LRG could easily turn their perception of the company around. For a start they could actually announce games more than a week out. No one releases as many games as LRG, but all of them announce their releases far in advance, which really gives the perception that lately LRG has been announcing these games the very week they have contracts signed. No other publishing company announces this stuff at the last minute every single week, so there's really no other explanation for it.

And I buy LRG titles because I'm interested in the games. N++ is one of the best platformers released in a long time, so why wouldn't I buy it. Shadow Complex was an excellent last gen game that was digital only, released later for free to Steam users as Shadow Complex Remastered, and then later to the PS4 and Xbox One. I loved playing One Way Heroics on Steam, I really wanted a physical release of the remake, a game that I never expected to come retail(my most played LRG by far.) Oddworld, what PS fan doesn't love Abe's Oddysee? Etc, etc, etc. Do I shit on LRG when they release garbage like Pixel Gear VR and a bunch of other pretty trash releases? Yes, but to be fair, I do also own between 10 and 20 LRG titles that I do consider good.

As I stated above, I criticize stuff. As big of a PS fan I am, I often criticize how incompetent the leadership over at Sony is. Infact, if I wasn't much of a fan, I probably woudn't care. So you could think of my criticism towards LRG the same as criticism towards Sony, "because I want to see them thrive as a publisher."

*edit*

Nvm, the DLC is part of the PS4 version at the base value, it's only available as purchase from Steam.

[Gameguy]

Companies like JC Penney and Sears have failed because they spent too much time running focus groups and trying to chase what they thought their customer base wanted.
They only started running focus groups because they were losing business to start with. It's like when Target tried to enter the Canadian market, they were just out of touch with what people wanted. Same when Krispy Kreme entered Canada(it's still around in like one location), or when Radio Shack failed to adapt to changing times, etc. Tons of businesses just go under or severely lose market share because of various decisions they make or because people start to perceive them differently, it's easy to go from a top company to rock bottom. LRG might actually be doing fine now but they still need to pay attention to how they're perceived as just searching various forums online there's tons of negative comments all over the place, much more than I thought there'd be.

Anyway besides Fangamer there's several other competitors to LRG, I'll just list them below in case anybody wants anything from them as well. It's not just Play Asia. You did mention a couple of these by name previously, I didn't overlook it. I don't know if there's any I've overlooked, just trying to keep track of everything out there.

https://www.strictlylimitedgames.com/
https://specialreservegames.com/
https://signatureeditiongames.com/
https://superraregames.com/

[Aussie2B]

Today LRG is selling their second PSVR release, To the Top. Good luck to those who are interested.

[kupomogli]

Noticed the Vita version of Siralim is still available, I already purchased the PS4 version, if I have them add the orders together it'll still cost me most of the shipping costs. I'm planning on getting Rabi Ribi this Friday so hopefully the Vita version lasts until then.

[Aussie2B]

It's been a long, long wait, but Rabi-Ribi is finally on sale for Vita and PS4. There's no CE like originally planned, but there is some separate merch available. Battle Chef Brigade is also being sold for Switch and PS4.

I grabbed a Vita copy of Rabi-Ribi. The bundle of merch is a little tempting, but I decided to pass. Copies of the game already come with a soundtrack, so that's nice. Once again, LRG has price matched a PS4 version of a game but not for its Vita version, which stinks, but I can't complain too much when the Vita version is only $5 extra over the PSN price rather than the usual +$10.

[kupomogli]

Purchased Rabi Ribi for the PS4. Up until now, any game I've purchased on the PS4 I've also purchased on the Vita, but since I had about 10 minutes before the sale went live, I was looking at my bank account before making the purchase, thinking about how much money I'd be spending this month on games got me thinking how much money I'd be spending on each Vita title including two today, Siralim and Rabi Ribi. Removed Siralim 2 from my cart and purchased only the PS4 title of Rabi Ribi.

It's not like I'm ever going to play these Vita versions when I have them available on PS4 and I'm always complaining that I'm throwing more and more money at the Vita, and it's just port after port after port. I really want to like the Vita, but I'm so disappointed and actually kind of hate it, throwing more money at it was the only way I justify owning the console because it really has so few retail exclusives I care about, but throwing more money at it just gets me more disappointed. So decided I'm never going to buy another multiconsole Vita title again unless it's something along the lines of CSH where I'm extremely hyped for the game. I actually once made this decision long ago, but ever since LRG, I was buying the LRG Vita titles because they were games I was interested in but they were also never able to be purchased again. It only took me missing out on a Vita release and having the ability to purchase that same Vita release the next week that another PS4/Vita release was being sold, the same month I'm going to be spending a couple hundred on just PS4 and PSVR titles, to finally break out of this habit of feeling the need to purchase these titles.

So I was right about people not being able to help themselves from purchasing games they might not simply because they're collectors. In my case, I still only purchased games I wanted, but kind of felt I needed to purchase the Vita titles of those same games because never being able to get them again, paired with my wanting the Vita to be able to somehow redeem itself, I was throwing hundreds and hundreds of dollars at the games. There's still those people who feel the need to buy every version of every game, which may or may not include the collector's edition, or at the very least every game period. This isn't anywhere at all the same, but there's a reason that microtransactions and loot boxes are popular with developers on mobile and console these days to suck more and more money from consumers.

All that being said, I don't blame not being able to stop purchasing the Vita versions of the games on LRG. The games had Vita versions available, so of course they're going to release both versions. I still only purchased games I was interested in.

[kupomogli]

Enter the Gungeon is up at SRG.

https://specialreservegames.com/

[gbpxl]

They only started running focus groups because they were losing business to start with. It's like when Target tried to enter the Canadian market, they were just out of touch with what people wanted. Same when Krispy Kreme entered Canada(it's still around in like one location), or when Radio Shack failed to adapt to changing times, etc. Tons of businesses just go under or severely lose market share because of various decisions they make or because people start to perceive them differently, it's easy to go from a top company to rock bottom. LRG might actually be doing fine now but they still need to pay attention to how they're perceived as just searching various forums online there's tons of negative comments all over the place, much more than I thought there'd be.

Anyway besides Fangamer there's several other competitors to LRG, I'll just list them below in case anybody wants anything from them as well. It's not just Play Asia. You did mention a couple of these by name previously, I didn't overlook it. I don't know if there's any I've overlooked, just trying to keep track of everything out there.

https://www.strictlylimitedgames.com/
https://specialreservegames.com/
https://signatureeditiongames.com/
https://superraregames.com/
Sears went under because baby boomers keep dying. They were trying to rely solely on that specific demographic which is a horrible idea.

[kupomogli]

I just want to point out something that Bojay keeps stating is impossible to do. Mutant Mudds Collection. All the games together in a single release. Not only did another publisher do it, but a knock off of LRG, you know, the LRG who is far more popular because they've been around longer. But no, it'd be waaaaaay too expensive to be profitable right?

https://superraregames.com/products/srg-5-mutant-mudds-collection-switch

There's also N++ Ultimate Edition, something LRG should have waited on. They knew the Ultimate Edition was going to be released, the game wasn't even in print yet and the devs already showed off the trailer for the Ultimate Edition adding double the content. LRG even had many people questioning them if they can wait for the Ultimate Edition because this was one of the few games announced the month before release. Or considering since the game wasn't in print should I say "pre-order?"

Anyways, Fox n Forests and Sayonara Umihara Kawase are both coming out soon through Strictly Limited Games. The limited edition versions have already come and gone(sold out.) The regular versions are releasing November 25th. Fox n Forests is 24.99€ on PS4 and 29.99€ on Switch while Sayonara Umihara Kawase is 29.99€ on Vita. I'll be getting both, but I'm more interested in Sayonara Umihara Kawase because the only place I've only ever played the game on an emulator for SNES, this latest release being an expanded version of the PSP game but also includes the SNES release as an extra.

This Friday though, I'm not going to bother getting Race the Sun through LRG, looks like the bottom of the barrel bullshit that LRG is usually known for on a weekly basis. I will however be getting a standard edition version of Cosmic Star Heroine, will be my first Switch game. Furi would have been my first Switch game, but there was nothing else I was interested in the whole month so I didn't bother. I'm thinking of getting Butcher, not sure yet.

[Aussie2B]

Super Rare Games didn't bundle the Mutant Mudds games together themselves. That's the only way in which the games are available digitally on Switch, so Super Rare Games is in the opposite situation. They couldn't sell them individually even if they wanted to. It'd be like trying to separate the games on The Bit.Trip. On PSN, even if you order the "Double Pack", functionally, it's no different from buying the games individually on PSN. To release them together physically on Sony platforms, LRG would've had to either include two discs/cards in each case or have a programmer create a new build of the games with a GUI to allow the player to select a game. The latter is pretty much out of the question, and Super Rare Games is never going to do that either. With the former, I don't know if that would've been any cheaper than the $50 for the games in separate cases. I know there are PS4 cases that can hold two discs, but to the best of my knowledge, there is no Vita game case that has held two cards, at least not among US releases. I'm also very skeptical that Sony would manufacture specially designed cases for LRG, given how little Sony cares about the Vita. Just getting a manual as thick as Cosmic Star Heroine's in a Vita case was a problem.

[mailman187666]

As I type this, I have 4 different games in transit (Bastion, Late Shift, Golf Story, Exile's End). They weren't kidding when they said they were really going full steam ahead with getting people their games. It was hard for me not to get annoyed with how long it took to start getting these games shipped. Out of all the common things that people online bitch about when it comes to LRG, the ONLY thing I honestly care about is to improve upon the time between selling and shipping. I feel like they will eventually correct this though, as they probably don't want to be put in a situation again where they have 80,000 packages to send and probably just as many impatient customers.

[Aussie2B]

I hope the wait times improve too. I just got my Cosmic Star Heroine and Antiquia Lost recently, and my Bastion and Exile's End are currently on their way to me. But it feels like for every order that's fulfilled, there's two more I place, so my backlog of unfulfilled orders only keeps growing. Granted, I would have fewer orders if LRG was better about how they've been grouping items together lately. It used to be that, more often than not, I could order at least a couple games at the same time, but lately it seems like everything is spread out, such that I'm buying one single game practically every week.

[Aussie2B]

I hope everybody in the US had a nice Thanksgiving. LRG is participating in Black Friday as well, so today, they're selling Cosmic Star Heroine for Switch, Butcher for PS4, and Race the Sun for both PS4 and Vita. They'll also be putting up some leftovers from previous releases throughout the day, but they're saving the majority of their leftovers for New Years.

Just a Vita Race the Sun for me, though it doesn't look especially exciting of a game.

[mailman187666]

I didn't buy any LRG black friday games, but I got so many great deals on gaming stuff at Target, Best Buy, and Gamestop. I now have my Salt & Sanctuary in transit, and the oldest order I have unfulfilled is 8-Bit Adventure. That looks so much better than the backlog of games that were unfulfilled dating back to July.

[kupomogli]

Thanks. I had a good Thanksgiving, also decided to go back on what I said and didn't pick up any LRG that week, just picked up Fox and Forests and that one SNES remake, then picked up nine other games following up to and including Black Friday.

[Koa Zo]

What do all suppose the upcoming "surprise" PS4 release is going to be?
I was hoping for Game Paradise, but they're saying "This is one of the most well-known games we have ever released."

[BlastProcessing402]

* (producing physical copies of download games)

all games, even physical ones, are digital, it's just 1's and 0's, whether stored on disc, rom chips, downloaded from the ether, analog games don't really exist. maybe Laseractive, but I only allow that possibility because laserDISC is analog (vs say CD or DVD that is all digital)

[Aussie2B]

You're not wrong, but colloquially, video game releases these days are generally referred to as physical or digital. When a game has no physical release, it's referred to as "digital-only". I've never heard anyone refer to games without a physical release as "download games" or "download-only".

[jb143]

all games, even physical ones, are digital, it's just 1's and 0's, whether stored on disc, rom chips, downloaded from the ether, analog games don't really exist)

Some of the first video games were entirely analog. Tennis For Two for example

[Aussie2B]

Well, the big mystery game turned out to be Jak and Daxter. The first batch of its CE is already sold out, but standard copies are still available. Same deal with Shantae and the Pirate's Curse for Switch. They're also selling Headlander for PS4 today.

[Aussie2B]

Another surprise, last-minute announcement from LRG, but thank goodness, it's a totally open preorder this time. Starting at 10am Eastern today, they'll be selling Sigil for PC for the next two weeks. Even the CE version of it is an open preorder.

[Aussie2B]

LRG is selling Windjammers for Switch today, in both standard and CE form, along with a bunch of merch, and Rain World for PS4. Today is also the last day for ordering the Switch version of Shantae and the Pirate's Curse.

[Tron 2.0]

Passed on shantae and the pirates curse since i have a copy for the PS4 all ready.Thinking about,maybe for a buy on windjammers though for switch since i skipped the physical for PS4.Last few orders i did get from LRG were phantom breaker,bastion and golf story.

[Aussie2B]

Happy New Year, everybody! As usual, LRG is doing a blowout sale today (of the small quantities they reserve for replacements and such), so if you missed some older releases, you may get another shot at picking them up. They're also selling Celeste for both PS4 and Switch, with open preorders for standard copies and finite quantities on the CE. And there's a whole bunch of Celeste merch available too.

[Koa Zo]

Happy New Year, everybody! As usual, LRG is doing a blowout sale today (of the small quantities they reserve for replacements and such), so if you missed some older releases, you may get another shot at picking them up.
This sale made me take notice of a couple games I passed-up upon their initial release.
Thankfully I thought to check what their availability was on eBay. I ended up getting Senko no Ronde and Super Hydorah at each roughly $25 less, brand new, than buying from LRG. And a couple weeks before, I got Ace of Seafood new for less than it sells for on LRG.
It seems the fever for their products has diminished significantly.

[Bojay1997]

This sale made me take notice of a couple games I passed-up upon their initial release.
Thankfully I thought to check what their availability was on eBay. I ended up getting Senko no Ronde and Super Hydorah at each roughly $25 less, brand new, than buying from LRG. And a couple weeks before, I got Ace of Seafood new for less than it sells for on LRG.
It seems the fever for their products has diminished significantly.

Not really. They sold out of Celeste CEs in minutes yesterday and Jak and Daxter is already selling for hundreds on Ebay. It pays to shop around and certainly some titles can be found for below MSRP, but the market is really all over the place depending on the game.

[Koa Zo]

Sure, but I bet there will be CE Celestes on eBay a year from now for less than what they cost from LRG.

[Bojay1997]

Sure, but I bet there will be CE Celestes on eBay a year from now for less than what they cost from LRG.

Unlikely. It's a critically acclaimed game with a rabid fanbase that buys game-related merchandise and the print run on both CE versions was miniscule. The LRG stuff that drops below MSRP is typically really niche stuff that tends to be available for a few bucks on various platforms digitally and doesn't have much of a fan base.

[Aussie2B]

Today, LRG is selling NeuroVoider for Vita and Sundered for PS4, and preorders for Danmaku Unlimited 3 for Switch have opened. It's also the last day to preorder Windjammers for Switch.

I bought a copy of NeuroVoider myself. It's my first LRG order since November. Hopefully LRG will get to shipping more stuff soon because for a little while it seemed like they were hammering out unfulfilled orders, only for things to go quiet once the holidays approached. I'm down to seven unfulfilled orders (though I combined three into one order), of eight games total, not counting NeuroVoider, and I hope that number won't just keep increasing through January.

[mailman187666]

I just got Sundered today and got some blind boxes on the first. With that, I am back to having 7 unfilled orders going back to October. I checked the production updates page and it looks like there are a lot of games coming in this month (supposedly). I saw on the LRG forums that they mentioned that it is critical that they improve ship times and responding to open tickets. About a month ago, they took a pic of all the items they have on hand that are currently shipping and sent an e-mail out. One of them was 8-bit adventure and I still haven't gotten a ship notice for it.

If this was my workplace, we would be required to fill out paperwork for each and every time a customer made an official complaint about things taking too long to ship. It would then need to be approved by the quality department and investigations would have to take place in order to correct the situation (everything all with due dates attach to them). If anybody were to say things like "it's on the manufacturer, not us" or "it's out of our control" during all this....it would mean even more investigations and paperwork, and chances are that those excuses would only work once before they would start questioning your employment. Of course that's the difference between working in the bio-pharmaceutical industry versus the gaming industry. I know I'm kinda of ranting here about the ship times, but I do like LRG and what they do. I see how LRG conduct themselves sometimes and I can tell you that if it were my place of employment, there would have been major changes taking place before they would be synonymous for 6+ month wait times.

[Aussie2B]

Same, I bought the 8-bit Adventure Anthology all by itself, saw that they received it a while ago, and still nothing. So much for that shipping in mid-December. Everything just gets bumped and bumped and bumped. I'm sure many of those games supposedly shipping this month with get bumped to February, and maybe even beyond. And then there's my Another World CE which is getting held up for frickin' blank floppies, of all things. I don't even know how many weeks it's said "This should not take much longer to arrive." for that.

[Bojay1997]

I just got Sundered today and got some blind boxes on the first. With that, I am back to having 7 unfilled orders going back to October. I checked the production updates page and it looks like there are a lot of games coming in this month (supposedly). I saw on the LRG forums that they mentioned that it is critical that they improve ship times and responding to open tickets. About a month ago, they took a pic of all the items they have on hand that are currently shipping and sent an e-mail out. One of them was 8-bit adventure and I still haven't gotten a ship notice for it.

If this was my workplace, we would be required to fill out paperwork for each and every time a customer made an official complaint about things taking too long to ship. It would then need to be approved by the quality department and investigations would have to take place in order to correct the situation (everything all with due dates attach to them). If anybody were to say things like "it's on the manufacturer, not us" or "it's out of our control" during all this....it would mean even more investigations and paperwork, and chances are that those excuses would only work once before they would start questioning your employment. Of course that's the difference between working in the bio-pharmaceutical industry versus the gaming industry. I know I'm kinda of ranting here about the ship times, but I do like LRG and what they do. I see how LRG conduct themselves sometimes and I can tell you that if it were my place of employment, there would have been major changes taking place before they would be synonymous for 6+ month wait times.

You're comparing a company that is presumably a major corporation dealing in potentially life and death for its customers with a small business run by a couple of gamer/collectors. They seem keenly aware of the issue and I have personally been receiving a couple of boxes a week from them for most of the past two months. The reality is that publishing games is tricky and there are a lot of third party elements including approvals and replication that are simply out of the hands of the publisher. I mean I can't tell you how many niche games I preordered on Amazon this Fall that were delayed by months or have been delayed into 2019. Sure, Amazon doesn't make you pay up front, but it does illustrate that even large companies have trouble delivering niche games on a set schedule. I think everyone can agree that the delays are a problem, but if the alternative is not to have some of these games see physical release, I would be happy to live with the delays every time.

[Aussie2B]

LRG has another PSVR game today: Neonwall. Good luck to those interested.

As for me, my 8-Bit Adventure Anthology finally shipped.

[Aussie2B]

Hey, Kirby, you're famous. :p

https://twitter.com/dkanaga/status/1082368305061453824

(This is one of the developers behind Proteus.)

[Aussie2B]

Today may as well be called Iconoclasts day by LRG since they're selling the game on Switch, PS4, and Vita, with CEs for all three platforms, and various merch. The only non-Iconoclasts thing they're debuting today is Proteus for Vita.

The first batch of all the Vita stuff is already sold out, outside of the mega-bundle. I grabbed an Iconoclasts Vita CE and Proteus myself.

[mailman187666]

I got a standard Iconoclasts for PS4 and finally a copy of Celeste standard for PS4. They are both games I want to open and play, since I haven't downloaded either of these titles in hopes they would get physical copies. Welp, they did, and I'm happy I waited for physical copies.

[Aussie2B]

Today, LRG is selling two PS4 games: Jak II and Tacoma. The first batch of the Jak II CE is already sold out, so hit the second batch if you're interested in that.

[Aussie2B]

And today LRG's got Another World for Switch and Game Tengoku CruisinMix Special for PS4, with standard and CE versions of each. It's also the last day to preorder Iconoclasts for Switch or Celeste.

As for me, I received my copy of Race the Sun the other day. It's not a particularly impressive game, in my opinion. It's the kind of arcade-y experience that you can have fun with for a few minutes but isn't engaging enough to keep you coming back for more. I got a shipping confirmation email for my Another World Vita CE the same day as the one for Race the Sun, but I don't know what's going on with that because, according to the tracking, it still hasn't even been picked up by the carrier. I hope that's not an indication it's been lost. And more recently, I got an email about Rabi-Ribi shipping, and that shipping info is actually updating.

[Tron 2.0]

I all most forgot about lrg,selling game tengoku cruisinmix special.I could have easily imported the japanese version instead but i wanted to play the game in english so lrg release for me.I notice that (game tengoku crussinmix special) didn't take long to sell out either.The day before i did order celeste for the switch as well.The last game i got from lrg was cosmic star heroine for the switch.Also got the e-mail too for my order on rabi-ribi which has shipped finally.

[Aussie2B]

LRG has pretty good offerings today, in my opinion. There's Spelunky for PS4, Vita, and PC, with a CE and various merch, and Fernz Gate for PS4 and Vita.

I grabbed a Vita CE of Spelunky and a Vita copy of Fernz Gate. I also received my copy of Rabi-Ribi a couple days, and I don't know why my Another World CE was going nowhere for so long, but the tracking on that is moving now and should arrive today.

[Aussie2B]

It slipped my mind to post a reminder about it, but LRG sold the PSVR game Light Tracer on Wednesday. Today they're selling ToeJam & Earl: Back in the Groove! for PS4 and Switch, and they're selling their first-ever PS3 release, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. There are CEs for everything and extra ToeJam & Earl merch available.

Nothing for me today. I did receive my Another World CE and Rabi-Ribi, though. Hopefully some more of my unfulfilled stuff will ship soon. I'm down to three packages that have to be shipped, since I combined my Defender's Quest, Dragon Sinker, Siralim 2, and Night Trap all into one single order, I did the same with my two January orders, and then there's my Spelunky and Fernz Gate (which I'm trying to combine with my January stuff, but no response thus far).

[Aussie2B]

LRG has a pair of fighters for sale today. There's Koihime Enbu Ryorairai for PS4 and the classic The King of Fighters '97: Global Match for PS4 and Vita. There are CEs for both and extra merch for KOF. Right now, the Vita version of KOF is only available in the mega-bundle, so check back at 6pm Eastern if you missed your chance to get that by itself.

Just a Vita KOF CE for me.