Playstation Rarity List (UPDATE 9/28/04)

[kevincure]

Thanks much, RichD! I've edited my last post to include the data we still need. The #'s for Tobal's FF7 demo and the R4 Turbo Mode disc are the same as the SLUS I have for Tobal 1 and R4's main discs, so maybe these were mixed up?

Still mowing down the Publisher and Developer info, I'm sure I'll have Q's for you guys on that soon.

Also, I have Kris and Dangerboy's names, but if RichD and Papastu could include their names with the next post, I'll be sure to credit you guys next time I update the list.

[RichD]

correction:

Name Year Publisher Sony #
Lunar 2 Eternal Blue Disc 4 (Making of Video) 2000 Working Designs SLUS-01257

While the number is not printed on the cd, when you check on a computer it has a file with SLUS-01257 in it.

This makes me wonder about Final Fantasy VII discs 2 and 3. Those discs have the same number on them as disc 1. Unfortunately I don't have that game yet (All the copies I looked at were not in the best condition.)

[PapaStu]

Just my first name Kevin? Simple Steve. Full name Steve Wilcox.

Lookin on my list for FF VII ive got a listing for ONLY SCUS 94163. So that means that for whatever reason the game was given the same number on all the discs. A easy way to check is to hunt down a GH copy. It should be the same too, assuming the Sony did the reprint of that one. If not, then it would have its own SLUS.

back on the prowl for more WD stuff....

Steve

[Queen Of The Felines]

I have a GH FFVII and it still has the same SCUS number on all discs.

Kristine

[kevincure]

If you notice, almost all of the Sony-published multi-disc games have the same SCUS on each disc. There are only a couple exceptions (gran Turismo 2, Legend of Dragoon, Chronicles of the Sword)

[Dangerboy]

Hey guys,
I got word from the ebay auction with the majesco released Hercules...the 1029 (?) SLUS number Kristine saw on sony's page is the Majesco SLUS.

Which makes you wonder...how many SLUS/SCUS numbers are different on sony's page to match the new re-releases? :eek 2:

[kevincure]

Sony's page is missing a ton of titles, but I did use it as one of my checks for the SLUS (everything other than the few on the last page still remaining has been double or triple checked). The Take2 reprints use the Sony numbers, and most numbers are the first disc of the first print. Some of the numbers, though, are just flat-out wrong on Sony's site.

[PapaStu]

Shocking, Sony wrong.... NEVER. I wonder why most of the SCUS double games are same numbered on all the discs. Were they thinking that they could fit it all on one disc and Fubar'd? I checked Syphon Filter 2 (one of the later SCUS releases) and its the same number on both discs. Did GT2 and Legend of Dragoon come out as the last SCUS double disc releases, and only then did they realise that they wernt keeping with their own tradition of listing EVERY disc released?

Who knows.
Ive got the later SLUS Take 2 release #'s if you need em Kevin.

[kevincure]

Thanks, PapaStu, I've got those already. I reposted down below the ones I'm still missing.

As for the numbering, I think you probably got assigned an SLUS when you first announced the game to Sony and then got the multi-disc SLUS numbers once the game was finished (there's always a gap between the first disc and the 2nd+ discs, and the gap is especially large on games with well-known long delays). As for Sony's own games, I think you're right that they probably just changed how they do numbering for SCUS for their last few releases (although Chronicles of the Sword doesn't fit this pattern, strange).

Demos:
Legacy of Kain: Demo CD
OPM 2, 13, 32, 33, 34, 41, 42, 46

Games:
Rescue Heroes: Molten Menace
Slam n Jam Signature Edition - perhaps not a real separate game/variation?)

Possible Variations:
Armored Core Agetec
Dino Crisis (version w/o RE3 demo)
Shadow Madness (version w/o Jade Cocoon demo)
Tetris Plus GH variations
Vagrant Story GH

[PapaStu]

The AC will have a variant, (though only 1 for when it turned to Agetec from Sony not for both covers, I will buy it tomorrow and get the SLUS)

Heres a few more SLUS numbers for yas


Carnage Heart SLUS 94604 (game disc) SLUS 94604 (Mission Briefing, and yes they are the SAME number)

Misadventures of Tronne Bonne SLUS 00896 (game) SLUS 90078 ( MM Legends2 Demo)

Tobal No.1 SCUS 94208 (game disc) SCUS 94961 (FF VIII Demo)

Allied General SLUS 00303 I coulda sworn that this was only a single disc. (It was longboxed and put into a double Jewel, but because of the big manual, or so i thought)

Persona 2 SLUS 01158 (game disc) SLUS 01339 (bonus disc)

[Dangerboy]

Here are some more, with an interesting twist...

Games:
F1 World Grand Prix: 1999 Season: SLSU - 01036
Formula One 2000 - SLUS 01134
XS Jr. League Football - SLUS - 01554

Possible Variantions
1Xtreme and ESPN Games are the same SLUS (scus - 94305)
Dracula - Last Sanctuary - SLUS 01440 / 01443
Hercules (Majesco) - SLUS 01029
Allied General - single CD only in double jewel case. Only Panzer General was released long box.

And now the twist:
Ridge Racer NFR

The NFR Long box has the same manual, but the CD artwork and back box insert have NO SLUS information or barcode on them. However...if you read the fine print on the CD, the text around the edge, the very last serial number is PSRM 001020 on the original, and 001021 on the NFR. Perhaps this PSRM number is how sony originally kept track of the multiple CD games? (All the games and demos have them).

Jason

[captain nintendo]

There is an EB Games near me with a limited edition Jedi Power Battles.

They also had a copy of Alundra with the chrome cover (I had never seen this before) The instrustions had like a "raised" effect on the cover.
I thought it was kind of cool. Anybody looking for these ?

I could easily go pick them up ;)

[kevincure]

Thanks again.

Dangerboy, you meant 503 on the Extreme Games, right?

Also, I must have had the two F1 World Grand Prix's backwards. What is the SLUS on the other F1 (the one with no year)?

I reupdated the list of what's missing. Only like 15 left including demos.

(Edit: As for the PSRM, the Playstation/Pepsi Demo also has no SLUS and only a PSRM, so maybe it was used originally for promo material?)

[Dangerboy]

Hey Kevins

you meant 503 on the Extreme Games, right?
Yah...my hand suffers from dyslexic traits every so netfo.


What is the SLUS on the other F1 (the one with no year)?

slus-01344...and...i just noticed neither one have the year on the spines... O_O


As for the PSRM, the Playstation/Pepsi Demo also has no SLUS and only a PSRM, so maybe it was used originally for promo material?)

See, I'd agree, except *all* of the games have it; retail, demo, launch, current, or otherwise. For example (two birds with one stone here on Psychic Detective :) )

Psychic Detective
Disc 1 = SLUS 00165 / PSRM - 001670
Disc 2 = SLUS 00166 / PSRM - 001900
Disc 3 = SLUS 00167 / PSRM - 001910

FInal Fanasy VII
DIsc 1 = scus 94163 / psrm 006400
DIsc 2 = scus 94163 / psrm 006710
DIsc 3 = scus 94163 / psrm 006720

Warhawk's (Big Box)
SLUS - 94201 / PSRM - 000540

So...maybe the PSRM isn't Promotional...but..uh...Registration Mark?

ugh

Jason

[PapaStu]

There is an EB Games near me with a limited edition Jedi Power Battles.

They also had a copy of Alundra with the chrome cover (I had never seen this before) The instrustions had like a "raised" effect on the cover.
I thought it was kind of cool. Anybody looking for these ?

I could easily go pick them up ;)

Capt,
I'd love it if you checked on that Alundra for me. If you go back like 2 (pg 13 i think) pages, you can see my list of which ones ive got. Same goes with inserts for that game. If it has something that i need on either end (game or insert) pick it up.
Thats how Alundra was released. They are all foiled covers, and the instructions are embossed with that nifty 3d feel.

The "limited edtion Starwars Jedi Power Battles" is just an insert piece of paper. The game isnt special, just that piece of paper.

For some reason my GS closed real early today. No Armored Core today. Try again tomorrow.

[captain nintendo]

@ Papastu .....

Is this the info you mentioned ?

quote Papastu :
"Heres the list ive compiled of stuff that I have, there is a little more but im not exact on the details yet (ie Vanguard variant letter/ Alundra insert variant#'s )

Game / SLUS#/ Variant Designation / Insert Variation

* Alundra / 00553 / _,A,B,E / PSRM 008941,42,45 "



I will stop there tonight. I dont know exactly what to look for ? :embarrassed: Maybe somebody could make it clear what I would be looking at ?

I dont know anything about psx variants and SLU stuff........

[PapaStu]

@ Papastu .....

Is this the info you mentioned ?

quote Papastu :
"Heres the list ive compiled of stuff that I have, there is a little more but im not exact on the details yet (ie Vanguard variant letter/ Alundra insert variant#'s )

Game / SLUS#/ Variant Designation / Insert Variation

* Alundra / 00553 / _,A,B,E / PSRM 008941,42,45 "



I will stop there tonight. I dont know exactly what to look for ? :embarrassed: Maybe somebody could make it clear what I would be looking at ?

I dont know anything about psx variants and SLU stuff........

Thats why i made that as readable as possible.
The SLUS# is located just below the ESRB rating on the disc. ive got SLUS00553, 00553A, 00553B, 00553E discs.
The rear inserts are in the lower right corner of of the back insert (where the disc goes) and will have a PSRM number there. Ive got PSRM 008941, 008942, 008945

[captain nintendo]

So I am guessing if I find something different you want me to buy it ?
I think EB was selling it for 26.99 :o ?

[Dangerboy]

:embarrassed:

Ever have one of those months?

That said, I have three things to offer today:
1. A heartfealt and honest apology
2. One foot placed nicely and neatly in mouth
3. The following picture

http://www.game-rave.com/umi/filter.jpg

Picked up from my former workplace. Owner said the guy claimed to have worked on in a Sony Warehouse and got stuff for free. Besides that, there was a sealed Einhander. O_O But he wanted too much for it.

Off to go sit in the corner. :frustrated:

[PapaStu]

I TOLD YOU ALL, BUT DID ANYONE BELIEVE ME??????????? You know that this means that there might be a MK3 Jewel case running around out there as well.


Now that ive got that out of my system, Jason, if you'd like to sell that, I would be MORE than happy to buy it, ya know so you can get the sealed Einhander. ;) Ive got graduation money, and i think that it would like to be spent (well some of it at least).

Kevin, because ive been saying this for far too long, but I finally got an AgeTec Armored Core. SLUS 01323 The disc art is the same, and it isnt. The coloring is almost on to the SCUS one, but there is some deviation to it. Pics are to soon follow to Dangerboy with the others for the variants page.

[Dangerboy]

Papa: I think I'll keep it for now...a little reminder that sometimes I need to STFU! ;)

let me tell you....the day I find MK3 JC....

And I don't need sealed games. I gotta play them eventually. :)

Speaking of variants, I must apologize...been way top busy to do the ftp'ing just yet, but I have been pasting together Pap's pics with mine, and have gotten about half way done on the WDs, and once those are done i'll tackle the KO Kings/TRIII etc.

A note on TRIII color variants....I did some snooping....I think (THINK) there may have been a varient insert to it as well, but I'm not sure. RIght now I have seen a 'blue' background one with the underwater colosium (no words) a tips hot line one, and one other one...need to figure out which ones came afterwords fo the original release.

Also, on the SF3 variant above...the socom ad picture in the manual shows a bunch of white guys on the cover...but the real one has all the races. Rather interesting.

Jason

[PapaStu]

Nothing about shutting the hell up. Trust me I can be just as bad.

My eyes are usually pretty good when I catch stuff like that, which makes me hunting variants not a bad thing. Ive been wrong before, now if you can get me one of those super sweet copies of SF 3, then ya, there would be some major indebtedness (is that even a word???) going on.

I think that the copy of TR III that i have which is complete, has the blue background (I think). I'll look for alternate inserts next time I go out. Keep an eye out for for that TRII with the "A" designation. Ive seen somthing like 30+ TRII games and not found a SINGLE one. So if you see this got to be" later" variant, snatch it up.

Dont feel bad about being busy. I've not gotten the games variants taken care of either, except the WD stuff so dont feel so bad. After this saturday, im good to go. This graduation is sapping up major time. But it will all be over soon. :D

[kevincure]

Cool, guys. I'll note the SP3 and AC Agetec variants. I'm plowing through the developer/publisher slowly. It is damn hard to figure out the developer sometimes. For one, many games have multiple developers (like Blood Omen: LoK). Many games also don't list a developer (especially an developer owned by the publisher) anywhere on the game case. Third, many developers are out of business and you can't simply go to their website to doublecheck (e.g., Humongous Entertainment is now owned by Hasbro and has no independent site).

Look forward to the variant site, I'll note all the disc variants once that page is up.

[Dangerboy]

Here's the first few combined images of variants and stuff, quick and dirty
http://www.game-rave.com/variant/index.html

I'll try and get the rest fo the WD ones as soon as I find mine to see if I have ones PS doesn't.

5 second break over...off to move furniture
Jason

[PapaStu]

Cool start there Danger, Im still workin on getting the Variant to ThunderforceV so dont post THAT pic yet. You can get the other games up when u get em completed. Good Photoshoppin so far!!!!


Alundra copy#5 for me should be on its way soon as well.

About to clean out my closing indy store of PSOne games. Its a sad sad sad day. Hoping to get a Playstation Neon sign, as well. Ive been a good customer, hope that the gods smile on me.

[Dangerboy]

:frustrated:

I hate Eidos. Really.

While finishing up the 'photographic pictorial' of my babies, I was holding the Tomb Raider 1 GH case in my hands. I got that feeling...you know....the one that goes "there is a disturbance in the force'...so I open the case.

And realize there is a Tomb Raider GH disc variant.

The *original* GH (where the SLUS number has no GH attached to it) is just the B/W version of the TR artwork (neato pattern). The GH I have, the later released one with the GH attached to the SLUS (ie SLUS-1234GH) is a flat black CD with just the logo.

Back to photoshopping...

Jason

[Dangerboy]

My babies ^_^
http://www.game-rave.com/library/index.html

back to laundry...

[PapaStu]

/me falls to the ground to worship the awesomeness that is those pictures.

We're not worthy, We're not worthy, We're scum, we suck!!!!!!!!

Nice pics indeed.

I cleaned my indy store out today, 60 games, 180 bucks. I get my Neon tomorrow, when i help clean the store up a little more, got to move the racks away from the windows to get it. :D

<rant>
Its a sad sad thing when a local store dies, because of the big corporations killing distibution for the little stores along with just being a stifling presence. If people have a local store near them, and they enjoy it, please go give them some of your money. They are some of the best things to have around. <end rant>

Ya kno, YOU can go for the TR variants, ill continue to work on the WD shit, if thats ok with u? LOL Only one monster at a time, if you please for me.

[slapdash]

Is the XS stuff already documented? I saw a reference to XS Jr Backyard League Football, but there's also Soccer & Dodgeball, which I don't think I've seen before. I also found XS Airboat Racing, which was new to me. And I finally found Robo Pit 2. If all these are old news, sorry, otherwise I can get SLUS numbers later.

[Dangerboy]

I beleieve those are, anod now that I have the games alphabatized, I can get the few SLUS numbers kevin needs...

which are...um....

[Johnny]

Any news on the new .pdf ?

Please don't think i'm requesting something. Just curious. I'm following your work digging those games, and it's incredible.

[DDCecil]

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere in the post, but there is a version of FF7 (Original release) that on the back, has the 'i' in the word 'masterpiece' missing from the word and floating somewhere else on the back of the package (Can't remember exactly where though).

[PapaStu]

Welp, time to go lookin for a "Masterpece" FF VII. I'll see what i can stumble into.

In reference to the XS stuff, yah they are all in the last posted .pdf that Kevin put up. We've got em all in there. Same goes with Robo-Pit2. Though RP2 is still not being listed in the IGN database for PSOne games for some strange reason.

[Jasoco]

My babies ^_^
http://www.game-rave.com/library/index.html

back to laundry...You're the one who won that contest, aren't you?

Pardon my French, but that is one shitload of PlayStation games. 8-)

Is that all of them?

[Dangerboy]

Jasoco:
Yup, and Yup. At least one version of every game released. :)

Gahahaha...Just for the heck of it, I strolled ove to my FF7 and flipped it...sure as shit I have the error version. The 'I' is about four characters over and half a step up...so it reads Masterp ece!

Rain will not stop, nor will my dog, cowering below my desk... :roll:

[Jasoco]

Jasoco:
Yup, and Yup. At least one version of every game released. :)

Gahahaha...Just for the heck of it, I strolled ove to my FF7 and flipped it...sure as shit I have the error version. The 'I' is about four characters over and half a step up...so it reads Masterp ece!

Rain will not stop, nor will my dog, cowering below my desk... :roll:Just for fun I'm gonna download all those images and use Photoshop to "check" off all the ones I have.

How about Demos? How many demos do you have? Undergrounds.

[kevincure]

I haven't updated the list because I'm still working on developers and publishers. Once I get all that data in, (the SLUS are nearly done) then I'll post the next version.

[Dangerboy]

I've got about 30 or so demos. They'r enext on the tracking list :)

EDIT
Rock on, I got the work mojo going and made the variant page actually look like a variant page. Enjoy :)
http://www.game-rave.com/variant/index.html

[PapaStu]

Danger: If you care to add notes to some of the pics that were posted in regards to the WD stuff. BTW Alundra link is missing.

Arc The Lad: The red/black covered Arc's (set "c") are the rarer version, from what ive seen. Ive only found one copy of those in the wild besides the Brand new one that I got. There are also 3 known Memory card holders, and maybe more, im still on the lookout for that missing one "loose" or in a format that I can get.

Elemental GB: The Black Armor is the moderately harder to find one.

Lunar2: The top set is the much rarer version of the disc art. Only copies of this game that I ever see are of the lower set. Mine is the only copy ive really seen since my hunting started (besides the pics that PoG posted a while ago).

Ray Storm: Appears to be the only game with out a varaint cover.

P.S. I got the second Vanguard Bandits today, so ill hopefully have pics in a few days.

--Ill also try and compile some of my other variants as well.--

*My Bubsy 3D one has a shitload of differences between the regular one and the Gold X award one, spine, back cover, disc, front.
*Also I thought that Spidey2 was changed before release, and the World Trade Towers were taken out before (well the level name and such) it was ever released.
* Ill get pics of the GunDUM/GunDAM variants out with the rest of em, soon enough. Hope by end of week.
* I know that ive got some with font issues as well, Ill see if i can remember which ones they are, and get those done too.

[Dangerboy]

Groovy, will add those asap.
RichD is geting me an image of a third Memory Card holder.

Jason

[Johnny]

I haven't updated the list because I'm still working on developers and publishers. Once I get all that data in, (the SLUS are nearly done) then I'll post the next version.

Be sure to ask for missing info here. We can help you digging those info.

[briskbc]

I stopped by Zellers yesterday and they had an Atlantis The Lost Empire Storyteller. It came in a cardboard sleeve similar to that of a demo. I'm guessing it was wrapped and sold with the regular Atlantis game but I haven't found anyone selling it on eBay. Does anyone have one, or should we make note of it?

[kevincure]

briskbc...if you can get a pic, post it up here so we can figure out what it is.

Johnny, yup, for sure. I'm going through once myself so I don't burden everyone here with gathering the more easily available info. Once I figure out what will be too hard to look up myself, I'll solicit the info from you guys :-). The info I'm really looking for right now is the SLUS numbers on the Playstation demo discs we're still missing (they're listed on page 16 of this thread, I think)

[Dangerboy]

Brisbic: If it's playstation specifically, snag it and I'll hook you up. If its just some fuddy duddy, never rmind ;)

[briskbc]

I'm thinking about buynig it and leaving it sealed. That way if it is a common run of the mill demo, I can take it back. They want $30 for it. If it was reasonable ($10) I wouldn't mind. The "Storyteller" part of the title gave me the impression it was a digital story book. I could be wrong though.

As stated earlier it was in a sleeve like a demo. It had the main character in an action / heroic pose. There was no background scene like the actual game. The background was just blue. The Playstation logo was in the bottom right corner with another symbol below that. I can't recall what it was.

[Dangerboy]

briskbc
Any luck picking up that oddity? Pics man, pics!
Also, greatest avatar ever. I have the full clip of that. :)

So far no luck on figuring out what rthe A difference is on Tomb Raider II is..went to go grab the othe rgame to compare...and they both have the As. Need to see if one of my work places has one without it.

EIdos was no help either, go figure.

Jason

[Jasoco]

briskbc
Also, greatest avatar ever. I have the full clip of that. :)I do too.. it's the beginning of the "Eddie Murphy Delirious" AVI I downloaded off BT.

[kevincure]

OK, here's the developer check, for A-C (don't worry, I'm a bit further than this, but I'm only done this part). Please reply only if you know for sure the developer, thanks!:

I need developers for:
Air Hockey
All Star Racing
All Star Racing 2
All Star Slammin DBall
American Pool
ATV Racers
Baldies
Big Ol Bass 2
Blockids
The Bombing Islands
Boxing
Castrol Honda Superbike
Chessmaster 3D
Countdown Vampires
Creatures: Raised in Space
Crusaders of Might & Magic
Cyberspeed
CyberTiger

Also, who is listed in the manual as the developer on each of the C&C games? Is Westwood the publisher, or did Virgin/EA publish the Westwood developed game?

Again, here are the SLUS/CUS numbers we need:
Demos:
Legacy of Kain: Demo CD
OPM 2, 13, 32, 33, 34, 41, 42, 46

Games:
Rescue Heroes: Molten Menace
Slam n Jam Signature Edition - perhaps not a real separate game/variation?)

Possible Variations:
Armored Core Agetec
Dino Crisis (version w/o RE3 demo)
Shadow Madness (version w/o Jade Cocoon demo)
Tetris Plus GH variations
Vagrant Story GH

The next version of this list should include everything from the last list plus developer, publisher, year released, and genre, using the following genre classifications: Action, Adventure, Card Games, Children, Classic Compilation, Fighting - 2D, Fighting - 3D, First Person Shooter, Flight Sim, Gambling, Lightgun, Music, Party Game, Pinball, Puzzle, Racing, RPG, Shooter, Simulation, Sports - Basketball, Sports - Baseball, Sports - Bowling, Sports - Boxing, Sports - Equestrian, Sports - Extreme, Sports - Golf, Sports - Hockey, Sports - Fishing, Sports - Football, Sports - Future, Sports - Hunting, Sports - Multi, Sports - Other, Sports - Pool, Sports - Soccer, Strategy, Vehicular Shooter

Thanks again for the help!

[Johnny]

Some help:

- Castrol Honda Superbike
Developer: Interactive Entertainment
Publisher: Electronic Arts

- Crusaders of Might and Magic
Developer and Publisher: 3DO

- All Star Slammin DBall
Developer: Access

- ATV Racers (I thought it was ATV Mania. ATV Racers was the name in Europe, right?)
Developer: Gotham Games

On the C&C talk, Westwood developed the original game for the PC, and i think they ported the game with the help of Virgin Interactive/Electronic Arts.

[kevincure]

Thanks man. There actually are two games - there's ATV Mania (dev: Deibus, pub: Gotham) and ATV Racers (dev: ?, pub: Mud Duck).

[PapaStu]

I can get a number of the developers, but that will take a day or two, unless u can sweettalk the man who has all the games infront of himself (cough dangerboy) so i dont need to go back home and rummage thru my piles, I will if necessary though....

The Armored Core variant is.......(coulda sworn i posted this once already)
SLUS 01323 (published by AgeTec)

Cyber Tiger
Pub: Electronic Arts
Dev: Electronic Arts (there doesnt appear to be a seperate listed dev in the manual)

Question, in regards to Electronic Arts, are you designating the name difference of Electronic Arts, EA and EA Sports? I dont remember when exactly it was, but they did do a name change. I know im just being anal (how i do it on my list) but its always a good thing to ask.

[kevincure]

Yup, you're right about Armored Core, I'd simply neglected to remove it from the list.

I don't differentiate between EA, EA Sports and Electronic Arts - all are listed as Electronic Arts. I am noting 989 v. Sony v. Psygnosis because I think they're different enough to be of note.

As for developer, the reason I ask about CyberTiger is that I also didn't see any dev. listed, but I'm almost positive EA doesn't do their sports games in house. For instance, Tiburon has made most (all?) of the PSX Madden titles, but nearly everyone online lists EA as the developer. It's possible that EA did CyberTiger in house, but for some reason I have a hunch that it was someone else (Tiburon, EA Canada, etc.). I know it's impossible to know the exact "second-party" who did each game (for instance, I don't think it would be possible to find which Psygnosis games were done by the Psygnosis Leeds Studio) but I'm trying to do it if possible. I'm pretty sure the developer on an EA game could be found by playing the title in the PSX and going to credits - let me know if it works.

[Dangerboy]

PapaStu, that's a nasty cough you have there. Maybe some Titan AE demo'ing will cure your ails. :)

Kevincure: I was actually planning on helping you knockout the developer info as soon as I can get back to my babies. I'm currently at a friend's sauna...er..I mean house. I'll proably be back at my own sauna tonight. (Can you tell it's hot in chicago?) @_@

Speaking of EA, I e-mailed them about Diablo's possible 4 player versions so hopefully they'll be more helpful then Eidos was with the whole TRII 'A' thing. I'm also working on a possibility of getting a new pic of NBA 2 Ball to replace the one that was lost on QoF's HDD. We'll see if my source is for real. Still no luck on MK3 jewel case.

Also Kevin, would you do me a huge favor and e-mail me the excel section that has your Lightspan info in it? I need all the karma I can get right now as I am attempting to get a lot of three PSX boxes and PC versions as we speak. I figure if it helps me get them, I'll repay you with the SLUS numbers :)

Off to go sweat...

Jason

[kevincure]

Hey Jason,

All the data is actually in an Excel book and I'm not sure how to separate only one portion of the file (aside from copying and pasting, in which case you'd just have the exact same data as is in the list at http://people.bu.edu/cure/playstation.pdf ). Good luck on the buy, though!

Also, for everyone, as far as I know we still haven't figured out the Toy Story 2 "Banditos" edit? Was the game re-released sans Mexican stereotypes? I'm convinced now about the Spiderman 2 edit, so I think this is the last one we're looking for.

[Dangerboy]

Cripes...I forgot all about the banditos edit....

Oh, and to crush Kristine's hopes...my response from EA:

"With regards to your question concerning Diablo for the PSX, there was never a 4 player version created.

Thanks for your email
J.J. L
EA Technical Support"

Which means....MK3 JC is...but a dream....

Jason

[PapaStu]

Kevin, see Id differienate the whole EA from EA Sports thing, seeing as there are some sports games that have come out not under the Sports heading (Cyber Tiger) as well as the Sub branded "BIG" stuff for the current Generation games. I see EA Sports as its own division, and thus warrants a seperate header, Just like Sega and Sega Sports (back in the day) when they have an actual division that gets credit, and its listed on the manual, i give it as they do. Cause otherwise, i dont see why they just wouldnt put EA instead or Sega, beign fewer letters and all. I coulda sworn that there was in house publishing just up the road from me in Redwood City (EA's home) as i know someone who was the programer for the grass in one of the last Tiger Woods Golf games, and she lived local. I know that they do mucho work up there, as ive also got 2 friends who are freshly hired Beta Testers... I thought that Tiburon was local bay area as well, and since they are owned by EA (or so I seem to think) they fall into one of the studios thats just an EA appendage thing, much like Naughty Dog was, or Insomanic for Sony and Rare is for Microsoft.

I thought that the SpiderMan 2 "Twin Towers" thing was cut before release? Thats going to be nigh on impossible to find visually, meaning either codes OR someone getting a save file that far into the game, and going from there will be the only way. UG!

What about the Gran Turismo 2 error since were in the boat of in game errors? The whole 98.2% max completion error that was in the first run of the game. Ive got no clue about how to check for that one, but it was big enough to warrant a Sony oops we fubar'd letter and send in ur copy and well give u a fixed one.

Is the "Banditios" thing in game, or a manual kinda thing for Toy Story 2?

By the Way I emailed Victor Ireland (Mr. Working Designs) thru Ebay, to see if he would be willing to help me compile my WD info, and or sell me loose game variants that I need and even possibly inserts (since hes not been against selling loose copies of some of the older games). No answer yet, and i highly doubt that he will, considering how ive heard how he has treated some members of this board when they asked about his eBay auctions, and what ZMWeasle (sp? sorry Zack) said he thought about the PS WD variants, and those who were to try and collect them and any info would be non existant.

Ill double check the Cyber Tiger credits tomorrow, to see if it shows an actual studio for in-game credits.

Off to bed,

Steve

[briskbc]

I thought that the SpiderMan 2 "Twin Towers" thing was cut before release? Thats going to be nigh on impossible to find visually, meaning either codes OR someone getting a save file that far into the game, and going from there will be the only way. UG!


You're right about that. Production was stopped before it was released. The copy I got off eBay was sent to me in a generic CD holder. If I recall correctly Joe said he had a "complete" one (his quotes not mine) He may have put his disc in the released games case, but I don't want to put words in Joes mouth. I can try to get a scan of the CD itself if you are looking forways to identify the variants without having to load the game and entering level skip codes. I don't have a copy of the actual release yet so I can't really compare them. My scanner is messed but I can try to scrounge one from family.

PS I will do my best to get out to buy that Atlantis game. It's one town over and will end up costing me $45 for the game and gas. I might be able to get it on the weekend. I want to go to pawns and thrifts up there anyway.

[kevincure]

Brisk...so the copy you have is not a true release? How have some people, including you, come across the WTC version? Does it have a printed CD label?

Banditos is an in-game issue.

I hadn't heard that GT2 was rereleased with the error fixed. If anyone can confirm this, I'll add it to the list.

The reason I don't separate the EA's is that, when I do a query by publisher, I want to know the games that EA as a company have published. EA Sports has never been anything but a part of EA. As far as I know, the (c) labels will still even say (c) Electronic Arts whether it's EA Big, Ea Sports, etc..

Thanks for the info on CyberTiger - I'd forgotten about EA's Redwood City house. I think, for all purposes, EA Redwood City is simply "Electronic Arts", though I would still note EA Canada, Tiburon, Visual Concepts, etc..

As for looking up developers: The easiest way I know is to check the fine print on the back (or back of the manual) for a (c) that is not the publisher or simply "Developed by". Failing that, some games have credits inside the manual (like Bust-a-Groove lists the people at Metro who worked on the game). Still failing that, some games have ingame credits, but nearly every game's dev can be figured out without even owning the game CD.

Lastly: I picked up the R4 Jogcon package today: 15 bucks like new. It's pretty sweet with the "Limited Edition" numbering and all that. Also, I found another variant! Street Fighter EX plus Alpha non-FE cover has a version with a "20 minute phone card" notice on the bottom right and a phone card packed in.

[Dangerboy]

I hadn't heard that GT2 was rereleased with the error fixed. If anyone can confirm this, I'll add it to the list.

There were 3 versions of GT2 (1.0, 1.1, 1.2). Were I not the dumb fucking idiot that I am with my hindsight problem, I would have kept them all. The easiest way to tell which version you have is to use a single GameShark code on it, and if the code doesn't work, keep trying the other code versions until you discover the version. I know Alundra hada a revision as well (No PapaStu, you DON'T have to collect that one too :) ). As far as I can tell there were no identifiers as to which version was which, since the GS staff simply wrote the version number in marker on the case for our personal reference. I would assume th e1.2 fixed the problem, if not in the GH versions.


Games:
Rescue Heroes: Molten Menace
Slam n Jam Signature Edition - perhaps not a real separate game/variation?)

Rescue Heroes: slus - 01373
Slam and Jam - I think is just the JC label 'correction' variant...every disc I have come across has the same artwork...Especially with the 'sticker on the longbox case' that was mentioned earlier.


OK, here's the developer check, for A-C (don't worry, I'm a bit further than this, but I'm only done this part). Please reply only if you know for sure the developer, thanks!:

*All the Mad Duck games are "Under licensed distibution through Midas Interactive"...so I took the only other name that popped up during the opening company logos as the 'developer', since they aren't listed anywhere else, at all.

I need developers for:
Air Hockey - Success (C) 2002
All Star Racing - Kung Fu
All Star Racing 2 - Kung Fu
All Star Slammin DBall - Access (C) 2002
American Pool - Digicube 2002 (isn't that...Nintendo's 7/11 thing in Japan?)
ATV Racers - Miracle Designs (c) 2003
Baldies - Edgies
Big Ol Bass 2 - KCE Nagoya
Blockids - Natsume (C) 2002
The Bombing Islands - Kemco (C) 2000
Boxing - Nekogum (C) 2000
Chessmaster 3D - Mindscape
Countdown Vampires - Bandai Co, Ltd, Produced by Free Cloud
Creatures: Raised in Space - Elo Interactive Media
Cyberspeed - Mindscape


On the C&C talk, Westwood developed the original game for the PC, and i think they ported the game with the help of Virgin Interactive/Electronic Arts.
Yup, Saffire helped with it, but I think that was an internal studio as well. So...Westwood is developer?

Jason

[briskbc]

Brisk...so the copy you have is not a true release? How have some people, including you, come across the WTC version? Does it have a printed CD label?

It made it far enough into production to get a printed label. I does not require a game replay plug in or a chipped PS to play. I purschased it from an eBay seller called tomegatherion. I beleive he started selling them in Nov 2001. Here's his feedback.

http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=tomegatherion

I have no idea how many he had or where he got them. It may have been theft unless he had a stack of reviewable / promotional copies that he was not asked to return. I think he had about 350 feedback when I started to notice he was running out of copies. Probably 60 of that was before 9/11. If memory serves me correctly, he put 5 or 10 on at a time with a BIN of $24.99 and a starting price of $24.00 each time.

Edit- correct spelling

[kevincure]

Thanks guys.

Quick update of what's still needed:
SLUS:
Legacy of Kain: Demo CD
OPM 2, 13, 32, 33, 34, 41, 42, 46
Possible SLUS Variations:
Dino Crisis (version w/o RE3 demo)
Shadow Madness (version w/o Jade Cocoon demo)
Tetris Plus GH variations
Vagrant Story GH

I also looked back and saw that I didn't have developers for Card Games (Agetec A1) or Billiards (Agetec). I'm rolling through the D's and E's.

The question about the C&C games was more about the publisher than the developer - looking back, I wasn't very clear. Some online sources claim that the games were published by Westwood - this is inaccurate, right? Virgin (or EA, depending on which game) should be listed as publisher?

[PapaStu]

I know Alundra hada a revision as well (No PapaStu, you DON'T have to collect that one too :) ). As far as I can tell there were no identifiers as to which version was which, since the GS staff simply wrote the version number in marker on the case for our personal reference. I would assume th e1.2 fixed the problem, if not in the GH versions.

Oh dear god....... NO MORE Alundra.. please god no more Alunrda... :( :( :( :(
Im still sitting at 5, and just cant seem to get myself into going after more at the moment. Emailing sellers is getting old, and them not answering is even worse. Me's thinks that im gonna need to go after a GameShark, so I can start to check for the GT2 and Alundra Variants, and possibly teh Spiderman as well.

On an unrelated note i found a PS2 variant today. City Crisis WITH its name on the spine of the game. Needless to say, that came home.

[Dangerboy]

The Spider-man doesn't need a GS. Type in 'auntmay' as your password to open all levels. The last levels's name determines the version.

And I'm sure just by simply collecting all the variant images of Alundra, you'll have the variant automatically.

Speaking of WD, if anyone spots a comple nice nice condition Fan Edition Lunar, grab it for me ^_^

Jason

[PapaStu]

News and news......

Carousing thru my emails.... What do I see, BUT a letter from Victor Ireland!!!!!!!!
I'll see what I have. What styles do you have already?

Needless to say im firing off the mail tonight, and am going to ask about the rest of my WD holes while ive got him on the line. See if I can get THE answer from the horses mouth, in regards to everything.

There was something else, but i seem to have forgotten it at the moment.

Oh well, Till tomorrow.

Steve

[kevincure]

OK, here's a new set to figure out dev's when you get a chance:
Billiards
Card Games
Dirt Jockey
Donald Duck Going Quackers
Doom
Dora the Explorer
Dracula: LS
Dracula: Resurrection
Dragonseeds
Easter Bunny's Big Day
Epidemic
F1 Championship Season 2000
F1 World Grand Prix Season 1999
Family Card Games Fun Pack
Family Game Pack
Fifa 98: RTWC
Fifa 2002
Fifa 96
Fifa 97
Final Doom

On the FIFa's, I'm curious which branch of EA did it (if the game says anywhere). I'm pretty sure RTWC and 2002 are from EA Canada, but not sure.

Thanks.

[Dangerboy]

Billiards - Argent
Card Games - Amedio
Dirt Jockey - DDL
Donald Duck Going Quackers - Ubi Soft
Doom - Williams (? - Note 1)
Dora the Explorer - NewkidCo with Santa Cruz Games
Dracula: LS - Wanadoo Edition / 'Canal + Multimedia'
Dracula: Resurrection - 'Index +' / 'Canal + Multimedia'
Dragonseeds - Jaleco
Easter Bunny's Big Day - Seven Computerized Creations
Epidemic - Genki
F1 Championship Season 2000 - EA Sports
F1 World Grand Prix Season 1999 - Lankhor / Eidos UK
Family Card Games Fun Pack - Midas Interactive
Family Game Pack - 3DO
Fifa 98: RTWC EA Sports (Canada listed as QA Testers)
Fifa 2002 - EA Sports
Fifa 96 - EA Sports
Fifa 97 - EA Soorts
Final Doom - Williams

Note 1: GT Software is on there too, but nowhere in the manual's credits. I guess they...distributed?

Jason

[Dangerboy]

I figured I'd get this started with the ones I already have so...

LightSpan ID Tags
Note: There is no SCUS/SLUS to be found anywhere. These puppies have thier own designation, and when you slap them in the PC, the serial ID that pops up is still LS designation, but doesn't match the tag on the disc. :hmm:

That said, I'm going with the one on the cd face:

Mars Moose: Stay and Play 3 - LSP-903068
Mars Moose: Stay and Play 2 - LSP 010260-0.1
PK's Place: Party on the Patio - LSP-060310-0.1
K9.5: Howlywood Premieire - LSP-907103
Timeless Math: Rover Recovery - LSP-907370
Creative Voyage - LSP-907097
Math Gallery Collection 2 - LSP-903440
Liquid Kids: Wandering Path 6 - LSP-905147

Note: The ones that have a "0.1" after them were dated as 1997, while the rest are 1998.The 1997 ones have no Barcode on them, while the newer ones do.

The 0.1 better not mean a variant (rerelease version). ^^;

Off to lunch and work.
Jason

[Johnny]

I don't know about the original Doom (Doom 1 + Doom 2), since i'm still looking for it, in mint condition.

But Final Doom i have. Here's what i can say:


" Final Doom™©1996 id Software, Inc. All rigths reserved. Distributed by Williams Entertainment Inc, under license from id Software, Inc. .... "

But inside the manual, there's Credits for id Software personel and Williams Entertainment.

Williams Entertainment has people credit for Conversion, so Williams did the port and distributed.

But in the end : " Very special Thanks to John Carmack, whose assistence was invaluable ". Since John Carmack, is a id Software programmer, he probably helped the port.

Anyway, if i were you i would put id Software/ Williams Entertainment as developers and Williams Entertainment as publisher.

PS#1: The original Doom (Doom1 + Doom2) had anyone from GT Interactive?

PS#2: Why Final Doom has a SLUS like this? Why the extra numbers below?

SLUS-00331
26967

[kevincure]

GT distributed in the US and published in Europe afaik. A lot of the smaller publishers had similar deals (I know SirTech didn't distribute their own stuff either).

[PapaStu]

Talking about Doom are we??? I just picked up a long boxed one today.... Its one of the nicest condition longboxed games ive ever seen, it doesnt even look like its been played. Manual is cherry too.

Developer Credit is given to id Software, and publisher is Williams Entertainment....

[Dangerboy]

More fun
Road Writer LSP-907127
Liquid Books: Pop Out Prose LSP-903143
Kazmania: Trail of Gems LSP-905123
Liquid Books: Amrita's Trees LSP-903112
STRATeS: Match a Batch: LSP-907011
STRATeS: Matchmania LSP-030102-0.1

...

I wonder if I could GameShark these... ;D

Jason

[Dangerboy]

Dino Crisis (version w/o RE3 demo)
No SLUS variant. Just packaging. For what it's worth:

DC w/o Demo
- SLUS on the Spine
- Barcode 0 13388 21045 9

DC with RE Demo
- '2 Discs' on spine where SLUS should be
- 2 Disc logo on back
- Copyright info on insert included RE
- Booklet copyright includes RE
- Mentions demo on cover (duh :) )
- Booklet comes with coupon for $5 off RE not found in non-demo version
- Barcode 0 13388 21054 1

The Tomb Raider II A conspiracy grows...after comparing the SLUS and PSRM numbers and inserts across two standard, one GH version (with three demos), and the CE version there are two theories I have come up with:

1. Version A was the original print run
This is supported by the GH back insert artwork being consistant with the non A version (shows Eidos Hint Line) and both PSRM numbers match.

The A version has an ad for the Strategy guide where the other two have the Eidos hint line. The CE Version removes all ads and just has Lara on her motorbike.

2. There was a planned alternate cover screw up
Knockout Kings has 5 covers: 4 single and a group shot. One of them does not have a letter after it, but the others do. So, for whatever reason, Eidos scraps the plans because one of the two discs gets the wrong cover, which causes both games to be red labels. This can be supported by the alternate TRIII label covers.

The only other possible reasons:
- There was some sort of reworking to the game
- The SLUS A is a typo (but if it is, why the insert change?)

The head hurts.
:beaten:
Jason

[briskbc]

OK. I went and got that Atlantis Storyteller item.


http://home.ripway.com/2004-5/119502/Picture248.jpg

The back has a brief synopsis of the movie as well as voice acting credits. There is also a small section that says look for the Atlantis soundtrack and CD read-along wherever music is sold. There is no real indication as to what is on the disc. As I stated earlier it is probably a didgital storybook but that's just a hunch. There is no ESRB rating so maybe it's not a game at all.

As for the Spiderman 2 WTC variant, Jason was kind enough to send me a scan of his disc. There is no difference between the discs at all. All numbers are the same, as are the placements of titles, rating & copyright info. The colors are the same as well.

[PapaStu]

Welp,
Closed the indy store today... and moved everything out of it 2 days of moving boxes and shit, isnt fun. I've never seen so much rare stuff at once, and I only got a small part of the cool stuff. I got good payments for work... Zoop, Assault Rigs, and a bunch others, All complete, and ive got to see so much more stuff that it made me cry.

I now have Alundra covers 6 and 7, and hopefully more new inserts on the way. I got to see the "40" rear insert today (fighting some water monster) but didnt need the disc, so it wasnt worth trying to get the time to justtrade inserts, when I had been moving boxes for like 8 hours.... Am i almost done yet? Pretty please....

Cant wait to see whats going on, with those new thingies that Dangerboy bought a day or two ago. <giggles with excitement>

[Dangerboy]

briskbc
If I were not freaking piss poor broke right now, I'd compensate you for that Atlantis disc. :) I want!

However....I think what little money I have left is going to the speeding ticket fine I have to deal with at court today, and i fnot that, my mom's wedding gift...ugh.

Jason