MAME Tournament Discussion Thread

[Gapporin]

With all due respect to Mr. Jaba, that MAME32 version is sorely outdated. (Is that version .62?) Here's the link to grab the newest one:

http://www.classicgaming.com/mame32qa/

Be forewarned, though, that you have to go through FilePlanet channels to download this file. If you don't mind waiting, I should be able to host the newest MAME32 version later this evening. Also, if you do download MAME32 through that link, please download version .95, and not .95.6 (sometimes the intermeditary versions have bugs that regular version do not).

Many thanks! :)

[Jibbajaba]

Whoops! I'll grab then new one then.

Someone told me that they can't get that Galaga ROM to work because Mame claims that there are files missing. I got it to work with MacMAME on a cumoter that had no other ROMs installed. Let me figure out whats going on.

This is why I started things a few hours early...

Chris

UPDATE: Galaga ROM replaced. I tested this one myself on a fresh install of MAME. It should work no problem.

I also updated the MAME link to reflect Gapporin's information. I cannot host a file this big because yahoo small business limits uploads to 5 megs. 100 meseta to the first person who can host the file!!!

Chris

[Gapporin]

If your MAME program is old, the ROM might be as well. Once I get .95 up and running, I'll check and see if my Galaga file's up to date.

EDIT: Do you have cable/broadband by any chance, Jibbajaba? If so, could you host the new MAME32? It would mean so much to me and my 56k modem. :P

DOUBLE EDIT: Well, I guess you can't. I'll try, but it might take a while...

[Jibbajaba]

If your MAME program is old, the ROM might be as well. Once I get .95 up and running, I'll check and see if my Galaga file's up to date.

EDIT: Do you have cable/broadband by any chance, Jibbajaba? If so, could you host the new MAME32? It would mean so much to me and my 56k modem. :P

The ROM works just fine with the latest version of MAME. As per the rules, the players MUST use the ROM posted here.

Chris

[robotriot]

Can't get it to work with latest MAME32 and the zip you posted - the ROM files seem to have the wrong names in the zip :/

[DragonMaster Sam]

I can't get Galaga to work either.

[Flack]

100 meseta to the first person who can host the file!!!

http://members.cox.net/flack/Mame32v[1].95_Binary.exe

(Keep the meseta)

[Gapporin]

Thank you very much, Flack!

As for Galaga, see if this file will work:

http://free.angeltowns.com/gapporin/galaga.zip

Also make sure that you are updated to the latest version of MAME32.

[Cirrus]

Thank you very much, Flack!

As for Galaga, see if this file will work:

http://free.angeltowns.com/gapporin/galaga.zip

Also make sure that you are updated to the latest version of MAME32.

Ah, that one works for me. It is the one I originally had on my computer. The one originally offered doesn't have the right filenames.

So, can we use this one officially?

[Gapporin]

Yeah, go ahead and use it. It's still Galaga (rev. B), and no built-in cheats or anything like that has been added. It's just the more updated ROM set.

[Flack]

The ROM Jibba posted worked for me (I'm running MAME .93).

Jibba, when everything gets squared away let me know and I'll clean up this thread for you.

[Jibbajaba]

Well I don't understand why those files weren't working for some people, but I'm glad we got it squared away. Thanks Gapporin and Flack! I'm glad we are ironing out the bugs duing pre-season play...

Chris

[DragonMaster Sam]

ROM works for me now, too. Let the fun begin.

[Cryomancer]

Since we've already broken the "don't post in his thread" thing, quick question: are we to submit our first try, or do we play until we are happy with the results? Obviously this is one of those "no one will know" things, but we are running on honor system afterall. Sorry to clog the thread up with posts.

[Jibbajaba]

Since we've already broken the "don't post in his thread" thing, quick question: are we to submit our first try, or do we play until we are happy with the results? Obviously this is one of those "no one will know" things, but we are running on honor system afterall. Sorry to clog the thread up with posts.

Oh no, you can play as much as you want. The idea is that you have until Sunday night to play as many games as you can and come up with the best high score that you can. When we start assigning obscure MAME ROMs, you'll be thankful for the 48 hours of practice time!

Chris

[Dr. Morbis]

What about dipswitch settings? To avoid possible problems in the future, maybe you should list the proper settings for the games' dipswitches. I'm not saying people are going to cheat, but I don't want to have 3 lives in a game and be competing against someone who is inadvertantly using 5 lives per credit or an easier mode.

Just something to think about...

[Sothy]

I dont know how to take a screenshot.....

[robotriot]

Press F12 - or press print screen and paste the screenshot into your favorite graphics program.

[Gapporin]

What about dipswitch settings? To avoid possible problems in the future, maybe you should list the proper settings for the games' dipswitches. I'm not saying people are going to cheat, but I don't want to have 3 lives in a game and be competing against someone who is inadvertantly using 5 lives per credit or an easier mode.

Good question! DIP Switches should be left to their default settings. To make sure that this happens, I will post the regular settings for each game as it is introduced. The default settings for Galaga should be:

Service Mode - Off
Difficulty - Easy
Demo Sounds - On
Freeze - Off
Rack Test - Off
Cabinet - Upright
Coinage - 1 Coin / 1 Credit
Bonus Life - 20K, 70K, 70K
Lives - 3

All the Unknowns should be Off as well.

[Mayhem]

If you want a good set of rules hammered out and moulded over 2-3 years, then check the FAQ we use for the Llamasoft Lleague at YakYak.org

It includes such stuff as listing the dip settings, picture submission, play ethics and the such.

I'd love to take part in this, but figure I only have enough time to compete in the Llamasoft one...

[Kamino]

looks like i may be leaving the party early.
I can't fucking work this MAME program.
Aieee.

[Jibbajaba]

looks like i may be leaving the party early.
I can't fucking work this MAME program.
Aieee.

No! You will figure it out!

Chris

[Cryomancer]

looks like i may be leaving the party early.
I can't fucking work this MAME program.
Aieee.

Hit me up on AIM and I'll get you set up.

[Kamino]

heres my problem.
I downloaded the MAME and ROM in jibba's post.
I extracted the ROM files to the ROMS folder in MAME.
IT CANT FIND THE ROM.
kthxbye.

[Needle]

heres my problem.
I downloaded the MAME and ROM in jibba's post.
I extracted the ROM files to the ROMS folder in MAME.
IT CANT FIND THE ROM.
kthxbye.

Take all the files and put them in their own directory. For instance, for Galaga, the directory would be:

C:\MAME\roms\galaga\

then, when you do your command line execution, just run:

mame galaga

The reference to "Galaga" on the command line tells MAME that all the ROM files are in the galaga directory. That's why MAME can't find your game right now - it's looking for a directory called "galaga" where the ROM files are stored.

Hope that makes sense :)

[InsaneDavid]

HOW TO GET THINGS RUNNING...

Download MAME32 v0.95 from the link supplied in the FIRST POST of this thread.

Unzip that and it will create a folder called Mame32.

Inside there there will be a /roms folder.

Place the ZIPPED download of the Galaga rom (supplied in the FIRST POST of this thread) in the /roms folder.

Run Mame32.exe and it will purge all the roms (only finding 1, Galaga {"Namco rev. B" in this case}).

In the leftmost window of Mame32 click where it says "Availble" and the Game list will change from EVERY game in the collective to just the ones you have. Again, currently Galaga (Namco rev. B).

Double click "Galaga (Namco rev. B) to start.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

I tried to make that as simple and step by step as possible so anyone confused can figure out how to get things working.

If you are running an older version of MAME (my main install on this system is v0.77 and my cocktail is being built around v0.76) then the supplied rom will probably not work. Somewhere around v0.90 or so there were a lot of changes to the emulator which effected it's compatibility with the older romsets / compatibility of the newer romsets with the older versions of MAME. (I'm not talking about the changes to how .CHD files are handeled, that was somewhere around v0.80 if I remember correctly)

kamino is probably having the same problem as I did, getting the suppled rom to work with an older already installed version of MAME. You need to download the suppled version of MAME (current MAME32) linked in the FIRST POST. Just put it in a seperate location from your main older MAME install if you don't feel like upgrading what you already have. Then you can compete in the compeition using the alternate install and not have to worry about an existing installation getting messed up. (what I'm doing)

[Kamino]

UPDATE:
I'm retarded.
I extracted the files into the ROMS directory. I didn't know to leave it ZIPped.
Bummer, dude. now i gotta go play galaga.

[Flack]

heres my problem.
I downloaded the MAME and ROM in jibba's post.
I extracted the ROM files to the ROMS folder in MAME.
IT CANT FIND THE ROM.
kthxbye.

Don't unzip the rom. Just put the zip file in the ROM folder.

[Kamino]

heres my problem.
I downloaded the MAME and ROM in jibba's post.
I extracted the ROM files to the ROMS folder in MAME.
IT CANT FIND THE ROM.
kthxbye.

Don't unzip the rom. Just put the zip file in the ROM folder.
yeah. NE146 was kind enough to point that out to me on IRC. how was i to know? its reflex these days to unzip zips.

[I Am Humanoid]

I tried to make that as simple and step by step as possible so anyone confused can figure out how to get things working.



What is MAME?

LOL

[InsaneDavid]

I tried to make that as simple and step by step as possible so anyone confused can figure out how to get things working.



What is MAME?

LOL

"On December 24th, 1996, Nicola Salmoria began working on his single hardware emulators (for example Multi-Pac), which he merged into one program during January 1997. He named the accomplishment by the name of Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator, or MAME for short (pronounced as the word 'maim' in English, other languages may differ).

The first official release was MAME 0.1, which was released on the evening of February 5th, 1997 (23:32 +0100). Using a modular and portable driver oriented architecture with an open source philosophy, it soon grew into immense proportions. The current version supports 5578 ROM sets, 3083 unique games. Because MAME releases happen whenever they are ready, at one point the wait between new versions was almost 4 months. To help the agony of the users, a public beta system was used, with a beta release happening every 2-3 weeks on an average. However, now the beta designation has been removed in favor of a good old 0.xx version number.

Even though MAME allows people to enjoy the long-lost arcade games and even some newer ones, the main purpose of the project is to document the hardware (and software) of the arcade games. There are already many dead arcade boards, whose function has been brought to life in MAME. Being able to play the games is just a nice side-effect. The huge success of MAME would not be possible without the talent of the programmers who joined to form the MAME team. At the moment, there are about 100 people on the team, but there is a large number of contributors outside the team too. Nicola Salmoria is still the coordinator of the project."

:D

[Cirrus]

I tried to make that as simple and step by step as possible so anyone confused can figure out how to get things working.



What is MAME?

LOL

Apparently a Broadway musical starring Angela Lansbury:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mame

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Mame1.jpg

Sorry. :/

[InsaneDavid]

I tried to make that as simple and step by step as possible so anyone confused can figure out how to get things working.



What is MAME?

LOL

Apparently a Broadway musical starring Angela Lansbury:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mame

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Mame1.jpg

Sorry. :/

...and the name of the greatest emulation project in history is officially tarnished for all time in my mind. LOL

[Jibbajaba]

Nevermind now.

Chris

[Jibbajaba]

BUMP! 4 hours left! If you have not yet submitted a score, you should do so soon!

Also, I updated the prize listings. They just get better and better. And before this contest is over, the prize packages will be even bigger!!!

Chris

[Lady Jaye]

What's the acceptable format for the screenshots? MacMAME uses .png when making screenshots. Is that ok?

[Jibbajaba]

What's the acceptable format for the screenshots? MacMAME uses .png when making screenshots. Is that ok?

.png is just fine. I have recieved your e-mail with high score and screenshot.

Thanks

Chris

[Jibbajaba]

OK I know I said that the scores were due by midnight EDT, but I thought about it and that isnt very fair to us west coasters. Thus I will just say that they are due tonight. Whatever is in my inbox when I wake up in the morning will be accepted. This will be the case for all future submissions as well. Therefore if I say that the score for game X is due on Thursday night, then I will accept whatever scores are in my email inbox when I wake up on Friday morning.

Chris

[SoulBlazer]

Oh, NOW you tell me! LOL

Crap, I just submitted mine cause I thought I would'nt have any more time to play. :)

Oh well. Thanks for the info for later, though. :D

[Jibbajaba]

Oh, NOW you tell me! LOL

Crap, I just submitted mine cause I thought I would'nt have any more time to play. :)

Oh well. Thanks for the info for later, though. :D

This is little more than a practice round anyway.

ANYWAY, I am still missing scores from the following people:

AdamG
ddockery
downfall
Gamemaster_ca_2003
kraboomba
Lord007
Nesmaster
pacmanhat
Pantechnicon
Shoes23
SMB2
Sothy
TheSmirk
TripppsK
xaqar

Consider this to be 'last call'. Please remember that if I dont have a score from you by tommorow morning, you will be out of the contest.

Thanks.

Chris

[Jibbajaba]

OK, all of the scores are in. I have distributed players into the league, which is now posted here:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59720

NE146 had the highest score, so he gets the surprise prize of 150 meseta!

Be on the lookout for e-mail from me so you know what game to play next!

Chris

[Lady Jaye]

Well, I see that I didn't fare too well in the Galaga round... (I've got an excuse -- I got the message about this last night at 8pm and I had a lot of stuff to do, so I only played for about half an hour.

BTW, was I the only person to find that the rom seemed to be running a bit fast, or was it just me? I was usiing the provided rom on MacMAME 0.88u4b1 (the latest available build, it's not even officially released yet, but at least it supports joysticks again) on an iBook G3 800MHz under Jaguar.

[hydr0x]

are the scores anywhere? i can only see the distribution into the divisions...

i'm in the Miyamoto Division, yay :) and we even have a german match in there

edit: do i read that table right? i made place 13 of 24?? wow, i thought i'd finish in the bottom5, i never played Galaga before and only played ~1,5h for the match, and my score didn't even include the first 10k bonus you can get...

[robotriot]

Yea, are the scores secret or what? ;)

[NE146]

Woot! I'm surprised I won this preliminary.. but I'm always happy to win meseta. I'll break that 1000 meseta mark yet! LOL

Yeah I don't see the scores either.. :? I scored about 251k in Galaga which was actually my FIRST game. Every subsequent game after that I got progressively worse with the closest I could reach again being about 211k :hmm: Guess it's good to go in fresh. When I was a kid though.. man I'd quadruple that score (I could often make the challenging stages repeat a couple of times). But now of course I'm slow :embarrassed:

Here's the .inp file if anyone's interested.
http://www.users.uswest.net/~userid946/galaga_inp.zip
I used Mame32plus v95u2

[Jibbajaba]

I wasn't planning on posting the scores (some of them were kinda low) but if you guys want me to then I will. You can't really figure out the heirarchy of the scoring by looking at the league standing sheet unless you know how you guys are all split up into the divisions.

Chris

[robotriot]

I wasn't planning on posting the scores (some of them were kinda low) but if you guys want me to then I will.

Come on, it's just a game ;) I guess I'll have very low scores with games I'm no good at genre-wise, but I wouldn't have a problem with everyone seeing how much I suck :)

[Lady Jaye]

And I only played for half an hour, so I can't expect to get an amazingly high score...

[hydr0x]

i'm not ashamed of my score, i got 61610 if anybody wants to know, NE146, what do you mean with REPEATING the challenging stage?? i figured out the 10k bonus, the getting caught stuff, the more points for leaving ships alive, but that is news to me, man, i should have taken a look at gamefaqs LOL

@ Chris

well i just thought you split up the divisions like this

1st score (NE146): Division 1, Spot1
2nd score: Div 2, Spot1
..
4th score, Div 4, Spot1
5th score: Div 1, Spot2
and so on

but as i said, i was surprised because that would make me place 13 which i really can't believe :D

[robotriot]

@ Chris

well i just thought you split up the divisions like this

1st score (NE146): Division 1, Spot1
2nd score: Div 2, Spot1
..
4th score, Div 4, Spot1
5th score: Div 1, Spot2
and so on

but as i said, i was surprised because that would make me place 13 which i really can't believe :D

I thought so too ... but on the other hand, that would make the last division made up entirely of the "worst" players, which probably isn't very fair - or there is some weird logic behind it all which I don't understand ;)

Oh wait, it doesn't - but it's not very random either I guess :P

[NE146]

NE146, what do you mean with REPEATING the challenging stage?? i figured out the 10k bonus, the getting caught stuff, the more points for leaving ships alive, but that is news to me

Oh no nothing like that :P I just mean eventually the challenging stages repeat! That's all. :) I forget exactly where though.. probably by wave 35ish or so?

[Jibbajaba]

PLEASE READ THIS WHOLE POST BEFORE REPLYING

OK here are the scores, in order from highest to lowest.

Player Score
NE146 251,160
Needle 184,340
Richter Belmount 122,960
SoulBlazer 108,400
Robotriot 93,230
InsaneDavid 90,290
Quintracker 76,880
Mr. FoodMonster 75,710
Dr. Morbis 74,220
Scooterb23 63,590
fergojisan 63,320
Flack 61,750
hydr0x 61,610
DragonMaster Sam 55,870
Cirrus 49,610
Lord007 49,370
Cmosfm 48,240
DDCecil 43,140
Crush Crawfish 41,960
Lady Jaye 39,360
Cryomancer 30,390
hovoc 28,430
Kamino 23,470
Slip81 19,920

The placement is as hydr0x described. This was the best way to make sure that each division has a balanced load of players. Compare the standings sheeet to this list and you will see what I mean.

We are working on a list of games right now. I would like the opinions of all of the players on something though. This league is going to have a regular season, followed by playoffs. I can make the regular season longer or shorter. It depends on why you are playing I guess. Do you want to have fun and play games, or hurry up and finish this offf so that people can have their prizes?

Personally I think it would be more fun to have a longer season, but I dont want people to start losing interest. I will say this, however. The longer it is until the playoffs start, the bigger the prize packages will get.

You guys should also feel free to give me input on the following. How long do you guys want to play each game for? I was figuring on giving 2.5 days per game, in that I would assign the game say on a Monday sometime, and I would have to have the score by the time I woke up on Thursday. It's really up to you guys. If you want the games to start on a Monday and go until the following Sunday night, then that's finee too, but then the league will take longer to complete. There will be AT LEAST 10 games played in the regular season, so if you have a week to play each game, then the playoffs won't start for like 2 and a half months. If we can pack 2 or eeven 3 games in each week, then the playoffs will be here faster. Again, it comes down to whether or not you enjoy the league itself or just want to hurry up and decide things. I will make the decision based on my own thoughts on the issue aalong with what you guys have to say about it. I will say this though. I am going to try to give out a prize for each game, so there will always be something to play for in the short term, but the grandaddy prizes won't be until the end.

Also, if anyone didnt submit a score but still wants to be in the league, PM me and we can discuss it. I feel like I didn't give people enough fair warning by setting the deadline two days after I posted the rules.

Please post your thoughts on these items.

Chris

[fergojisan]

We are working on a list of games right now. I would like the opinions of all of the players on something though. This league is going to have a regular season, followed by playoffs. I can make the regular season longer or shorter. It depends on why you are playing I guess. Do you want to have fun and play games, or hurry up and finish this offf so that people can have their prizes?

I'm all for not rushing it and having fun. You mentioned the 3 days per game thing, that sounds good to me. I love Galaga, but I started to get really frustrated at the end. I'm just doing this for the games, not for the prizes.

I'm looking forward to the next game! Good luck to everyone! :D

[Cirrus]

I think it is a good idea to maybe have 2 games per week... One posted Monday and due by Wednesday Midnight, and one Posted Thursday and due by Sunday at Midnight. That way we can get more games in, have a longer regular season, and hey, if someone HAS to miss one, it won't be as big of a deal.

I think about three days is good enough to get your score. Posting the scores is a good idea, too. This is a competition, the results should be out in the open. I don't want people to see me with my shirt off, so I don't swim professionally. :)

I know that didn't make any sense. I think the competition should be great. I'm all for a longer season: we'll see more interesting games, and it will be good for people (like myself) who can't necessarily get the top score. At least this way we'll have a chance to do well at one or two games. :)

[Jibbajaba]

OK, those both sounded like good suggestions. We can go Monday till Thursday and Thursday till Sunday, hows that? Ill post a game Monday morning that's due on Thursday night, and I'll post a game on Thursday morning that's due on Sunday night.

I'd still like to hear someone throw out some numbers concerning how many games we should play in the regular season. Keep in mind that your win/loss ratio determines if you make the playoffs or not (most players will enter the playoffs though.) So if there are a few games that you suck at, it is going to hurt you more if there is a short season. Since we will do 2 games per week, how many weeks do you guys thing the regular season should be?

Also, if we are going to do the Monday-Thursday and Thursday-Sunday thing, then plan on the league starting this Thursday.

And since I havent really given my opinion on this: I would like to see us have a lot of games in the regular season. I think it would be more fun that way, it would be less demoralizing if you really blew a few of the games, and you would get to play a lot of cool games that you would not normally have played. I plan on using a lot of games that are a little less main stream (i.e. not so much Pac-Man, Centipede, etc.) along with some of the old faithfuls. Gapporin and I are brainstorming the games list right now.

Chris

[Needle]

What are the options going to be like if we know we're going to miss a game or two? For instance, I'm going to E3 in two weeks, which on that schedule would pretty much make me automatically forfeit two games. I know this sort of thing isn't going to come up too often - not on purpose, anyways - but it's gonna suck that I have up to two automatic losses ahead :eek 2:

[Jibbajaba]

What are the options going to be like if we know we're going to miss a game or two? For instance, I'm going to E3 in two weeks, which on that schedule would pretty much make me automatically forfeit two games. I know this sort of thing isn't going to come up too often - not on purpose, anyways - but it's gonna suck that I have up to two automatic losses ahead :eek 2:

Well if there are a bunch of games in the season, then two losses may not be a big deal. And If we are going to have several players absent due to E3, then maybe we will take a week off, or have the games for that week not count towards the standing, and just have mini-prizes for that week or something. I am not going to work the league around individual people's schedule, but for something like this I might if enough people are affected by it.

Like I said, MOST players will go to the playoffs. The regular season is going to give people a chance to win cool mini-prizes, and it will weed out the players that really arent very good, so that they playoffs are more challenging and interesting for those involved. Mathematically, you will have to have a losing record for it to even be possible to not make it to the playoffs. And if we play like 20 games or something, then 2 games isnt that big of a deal anyway.

Chris

[Dr. Morbis]

First of all, I can't believe I came in 9th because I only played 2 games and submitted the best one (my first game was around 24k). I thought it was purely exhibition so I didn't "give it my all".

Anyway, I think maybe a two month league that has around 16 games, or maybe 14 if there is a bye week, would be good. Any longer than 8 weeks and people might start to loose interest and it will be more of a survival match between the people still playing. With things like this everyone always seems gung-ho at the start but then participation drops sharply after the first few weeks. Hopefully we'll have a little more dedication here on DP.

Another thing; I think the playoff format should be decided and made public before mid-season, so we can plan how to deal with the final games down the stretch.

[Jibbajaba]

First of all, I can't believe I came in 9th because I only played 2 games and submitted the best one (my first game was around 24k). I thought it was purely exhibition so I didn't "give it my all".

Anyway, I think maybe a two month league that has around 20 games, or maybe 18 if there is a bye week, would be good. Any longer than 8 weeks and people might start to loose interest and it will be more of a survival match between the people still playing. With things like this everyone always seems gung-ho at the start but then participation drops sharply after the first few weeks. Hopefully we'll have a little more dedication here on DP.

Another thing; I think the playoff format should be decided and made public before mid-season, so we can plan how to deal with the final games down the stretch.

OK he says 20 games over 10 weeks. Anyone else?

Also, the current plan for the playoffs is this: 16 players will go to the playoffs. The two division winners from each conference, plus the 6 next highest win percentages. Each Conference will have a playoff bracket, starting with 4 divisional matches, then 2 quarterfinal matches, then a semifinal (conference championship) match. The two winners of the conference championship matches will play in the final match for the title of world champion. The two conference championship match losers will play one final match to decide third place. Each match could just be a single game, it could be a series of games (best of three, five, or seven), or it could be the three, five, or seven highest scores from the same game. The games use in the playoffs will not be games that were used in the regular season. I will try to pick fairly obscure games in an attempt to make it more fair (the game will be new to both players).

Again, suggestions or comments?

Chris

PS Check out these awesome-as-hell trophies that RockyRaccoon made for us! I have asked Joe to allow Gapporin and I to award these to the three winners (they would be added to your DP item inventories!) Hopefully he agrees!

http://www.cooncaderomp.cjb.net/1stplace.gif
http://www.cooncaderomp.cjb.net/2ndplace.gif
http://www.cooncaderomp.cjb.net/3rdplace.gif

[SoulBlazer]

Wow, I can't believe I got forth from only about six games. And I probaly could have gotten third if I had more time. :)

As for the prizes and the scehdulre, that all sounds great to me. Monday thru Thursday night gives us enough time during the week to play one game and then we have the weekend to work on another. So I guess we can expect a e-mail with our next game on Friday?

[Jibbajaba]

Wow, I can't believe I got forth from only about six games. And I probaly could have gotten third if I had more time. :)

As for the prizes and the scehdulre, that all sounds great to me. Monday thru Thursday night gives us enough time during the week to play one game and then we have the weekend to work on another. So I guess we can expect a e-mail with our next game on Friday?

No, you'll get your next e-mail on Thursday morning, and the score for that game will be due Sunday night.

Chris

[SoulBlazer]

Oh, I see. Okay, helps to have more carefull reading. :) Okay, at least I know when to expect the e-mail.

Speaking of the 'next' game -- did you take it from the submissions that we sent in? And how will the game be decided? I know you said you wanted to include some obscure games that probaly no one has played, and I think that's a great idea -- will it be half submissions and half your choice or something like that? And how many games/how long will the league last? (Edit: I see a idea has been posted above about this -- I would'nt mind seeing 24 games for 12 weeks, but 20/10 is good also.)

Sorry for all the stupid questions. :)

[Jibbajaba]

Oh, I see. Okay, helps to have more carefull reading. :) Okay, at least I know when to expect the e-mail.

Speaking of the 'next' game -- did you take it from the submissions that we sent in? And how will the game be decided? I know you said you wanted to include some obscure games that probaly no one has played, and I think that's a great idea -- will it be half submissions and half your choice or something like that? And how many games/how long will the league last? (Edit: I see a idea has been posted above about this -- I would'nt mind seeing 24 games for 12 weeks, but 20/10 is good also.)

Sorry for all the stupid questions. :)

The games will be decided by Gapporin and myself. I havent brought this up with him yet, but we make take turns assigning the games.

My original idea with the player suggestions was to weed out any games that were the favorite of certain players, thus levelling the playing field further. If we are going to play 20-25 games instead of 10, however, I could simply include ALL of the player submissions, and the field would still be level. I would find it pretty amusing to see players get their butts kicked at their own suggestions!

Chris

[hydr0x]

The placement is as hydr0x described. This was the best way to make sure that each division has a balanced load of players. Compare the standings sheeet to this list and you will see what I mean.

see, that happens when you plan dozens of virtual soccer tournaments when you are 10 years old, you never forget the perfect systems LOL

so i actually made 13th, wow, with a little bit more time to play i could have made top5, amazing

@topic

i'm in for a long season, i don't want this to become more an obligation than fun, you know, and if it's 2 or 3 games per week it'll not be as much fun anymore, i've got to work and study too, and i was already happy to find the 1,5h to play Galaga because of the weekend, i don't think a game forced to be played during the week is a good idea, if you allow us to play both games for the whole 7 days (sorry if that was already suggested, no time to read) that's another thing and would be better!

[Jibbajaba]

The placement is as hydr0x described. This was the best way to make sure that each division has a balanced load of players. Compare the standings sheeet to this list and you will see what I mean.

see, that happens when you plan dozens of virtual soccer tournaments when you are 10 years old, you never forget the perfect systems LOL

so i actually made 13th, wow, with a little bit more time to play i could have made top5, amazing

@topic

i'm in for a long season, i don't want this to become more an obligation than fun, you know, and if it's 2 or 3 games per week it'll not be as much fun anymore, i've got to work and study too, and i was already happy to find the 1,5h to play Galaga because of the weekend, i don't think a game forced to be played during the week is a good idea, if you allow us to play both games for the whole 7 days (sorry if that was already suggested, no time to read) that's another thing and would be better!

OK, Im not saying that that is a bad idea, but I dont want to have to deal with people e-mailing me the scores from more than one game at once. What I would do is this: one game goes from Thursday morning until Sunday night, and the other goes from Sunday morning until Thursday night. That way, you could play one game on Saturday and the other on Sunday if you didn't want to play games during the week. If we only did one game per week, then the league would go on for a few months, and I think people would start losing interest and wandering off, even with the ever-growing FABULOUS prize packages.

I would really like to hear more opinions on this.

Chris

[hydr0x]

well, i would have a real problem getting any score from thursday to saturday night, that's all i know, no matter how you split up the week, there will alway be someone who doesn't have a free day in that period or maybe doesn't have any time at all, if you make it 1week/game everyone will have time to play the game

[Lady Jaye]

The placement is as hydr0x described. This was the best way to make sure that each division has a balanced load of players. Compare the standings sheeet to this list and you will see what I mean.

see, that happens when you plan dozens of virtual soccer tournaments when you are 10 years old, you never forget the perfect systems LOL

so i actually made 13th, wow, with a little bit more time to play i could have made top5, amazing

@topic

i'm in for a long season, i don't want this to become more an obligation than fun, you know, and if it's 2 or 3 games per week it'll not be as much fun anymore, i've got to work and study too, and i was already happy to find the 1,5h to play Galaga because of the weekend, i don't think a game forced to be played during the week is a good idea, if you allow us to play both games for the whole 7 days (sorry if that was already suggested, no time to read) that's another thing and would be better!

OK, Im not saying that that is a bad idea, but I dont want to have to deal with people e-mailing me the scores from more than one game at once. What I would do is this: one game goes from Thursday morning until Sunday night, and the other goes from Sunday morning until Thursday night. That way, you could play one game on Saturday and the other on Sunday if you didn't want to play games during the week. If we only did one game per week, then the league would go on for a few months, and I think people would start losing interest and wandering off, even with the ever-growing FABULOUS prize packages.

I would really like to hear more opinions on this.

Chris

I like this better than the original middle-of-the-week game idea... if only because there are times where I do not have the time to play much if at all. Fortunately, I doubt I'll be THAT busy till next summer (when back-to-school rears its head). So, that suits me just fine.

[slip81]

and it will weed out the players that really arent very good, so that they playoffs are more challenging and interesting for those involved.Chris

Ohh, that's gonna be me :(

Anyway I vote for more time with each game. I'd rather take my time and have fun with each game rather than rush the whole thing just to end it so people can get prizes.

[Lord007]

I don't really mind how the tournament is played out...but I guess if I had a preference it would be for more games played in the end instead of more time for each game. (I don't have much experience with arcade games but I'm already having a blast playing around with MAME for the first time :D )

And I'd also like to see everybody's scores posted afterwards too just to see how I compare against everybody else.

[robotriot]

Actually, I have no opinion on this, either way is fine for me, I'll accept the decision made here. :)

[Jibbajaba]

Gapporin and I will decide on the exact format before Sunday. In the mean time, let's play a game!

Head on over to the Official DP MAME League thread and check it out (or just check your e-mail!)

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59720

Chris

[TripppsK]

OK, Im not saying that that is a bad idea, but I dont want to have to deal with people e-mailing me the scores from more than one game at once. What I would do is this: one game goes from Thursday morning until Sunday night, and the other goes from Sunday morning until Thursday night. That way, you could play one game on Saturday and the other on Sunday if you didn't want to play games during the week. If we only did one game per week, then the league would go on for a few months, and I think people would start losing interest and wandering off, even with the ever-growing FABULOUS prize packages.

I would really like to hear more opinions on this.


I really like the idea of splitting up the weekend. THis way if someone has more time on the weekends they have a day for each, and if weekdays are better they have a couple days to play each.


It might be a good idea to announce the next game in line ahead of time, so that there are always 2 games for people to play. Give each game a specific 4 day window to submit scores and the players will have more flexibility to play the games when the time is best for them.

(example: On Friday May 6th you can announce the 1st 2 games. Game #1 scores can be submitted from the following Mon-Thurs.(May 9-12) , and game #2 scores from Fri-Mon. (May 13-16). Also on the May 13th you would announce Game #3 and the submission dates of Tue-Fri (May 17-20).)

[Jibbajaba]

OK, Im not saying that that is a bad idea, but I dont want to have to deal with people e-mailing me the scores from more than one game at once. What I would do is this: one game goes from Thursday morning until Sunday night, and the other goes from Sunday morning until Thursday night. That way, you could play one game on Saturday and the other on Sunday if you didn't want to play games during the week. If we only did one game per week, then the league would go on for a few months, and I think people would start losing interest and wandering off, even with the ever-growing FABULOUS prize packages.

I would really like to hear more opinions on this.


I really like the idea of splitting up the weekend. THis way if someone has more time on the weekends they have a day for each, and if weekdays are better they have a couple days to play each.


It might be a good idea to announce the next game in line ahead of time, so that there are always 2 games for people to play. Give each game a specific 4 day window to submit scores and the players will have more flexibility to play the games when the time is best for them.

(example: On Friday May 6th you can announce the 1st 2 games. Game #1 scores can be submitted from the following Mon-Thurs.(May 9-12) , and game #2 scores from Fri-Mon. (May 13-16). Also on the May 13th you would announce Game #3 and the submission dates of Tue-Fri (May 17-20).)

Too complicated. The idea I am leaning towards right now is hydr0x's. I would announce two games every Monday morning, and players would have until Sunday night to submit the scores. Both scores would have to be submitted in the same e-mail, to make it easier for me. That gives players a full 7 days to play the two games, so no matter what their schedule is, they can fit it in somewhere. If they can't then at that point I really wouldn't know what to tell them. I can't think of an idea that is more simple and more convenient to the largest number of people.

I am currently waiting to hear Gapporin's opinion on this. As the vice chairman of the FABULOUS 17th Annual Digital Press MAME League World Championships here at the luxurious MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada, his opinion carries much weight.

In the mean time, the league has started, so go download Knights of the Round and start kicking some ass!

Chris

[Crush Crawfish]

Wow, I actually did a lot better in Galaga than I thought...I thought I had last place for sure!

Good game choice with Knights of the Round! I love beat 'em ups, and I've never played this before...gonna spend some time with it later. I figure this contest will be a great way to learn about some obscure games! :D

[Flack]

I hope everyone plays honestly and doesn't insert coins to continue on games like this that keep your score after continuing.