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kainemaxwell
07-22-2009, 12:20 AM
Wow...this is bad.
Coldguy
07-22-2009, 12:33 AM
On a somewhat related note, someone did a commentary on the game
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/component/content/article/40-front-page-scroller/9702-gamer-heroes-plumbers-dont-wear-ties-part-1-and-2
Two parts, pick the part there.
Tupin
07-22-2009, 12:40 AM
I've played "games" that are like Plumber's Don't Wear Ties that are bad, but at least they have FMV. Plumber's Don't Wear Ties doesn't even have that.
Probably my favorite episode he's done in a while...
AVGN:Plumbers Don't Wear Ties !
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/52921
This is offen consider one of the worst (3DO) games ever made and it sure shows damn !
I loved that game in 1997, but there's a catch: I had just started my first pluming job. I also was madly in love with the girl.
Ed Oscuro
07-22-2009, 01:11 AM
What the hell is he doing pushing that 3DO longbox into my Samurai Spirits games?!
Hmm, better go check to see that they're still there. (Still not getting the 'edgy' nature here; not loving AVGN. I listened to his whiny voice leaking through my headphones sitting on my leg.)
JohnnyBlaze
07-22-2009, 01:17 AM
From what I understand, it's an "adult" game. Yay! Another porn episode! Anyways, at my count, there've been 79 episodes and still none on Wrestlemania.
If any game needs to be ripped it's that. It ruined many a childhood like Karate Kid.
Lostdwarf
07-22-2009, 01:37 AM
one of the best avgn's and by far the worst game ever
1. Plumbers Don't Wear Ties
2. E.T. (1)
3. Superman 64 (2)
At least it was funny. Now Neurodancer on the 3DO...
CelticJobber
07-22-2009, 04:19 AM
at my count, there've been 79 episodes and still none on Wrestlemania.
If any game needs to be ripped it's that. It ruined many a childhood like Karate Kid.
I know it was crap now, but when I was a kid I think I was just so happy to have a game with Hogan, Savage, and DiBiase as playable characters that it's (lack of) quality never mattered to me. And atleast it was (a little) more playable than Roger Rabbit, Jaws, or Rambo.
elvis8atari
07-22-2009, 05:22 AM
This Can Not Be topped@ ;P
JohnnyBlaze
07-22-2009, 05:51 AM
I know it was crap now, but when I was a kid I think I was just so happy to have a game with Hogan, Savage, and DiBiase as playable characters that it's (lack of) quality never mattered to me. And atleast it was (a little) more playable than Roger Rabbit, Jaws, or Rambo.
My first WWF game was Wrestlemania Challenge and I thought it was awesome. I didn't get to play the original until Funcoland opened up around here in 1992-93.
It was also great because you can play with "Yourself".
But, I just watched the episode now. It's one of the best of recent memory. Still, I found myself and him saying the same things at the same time which was creepy. I don't think it was him being intentionally funny, it was the game itself that was so cheezy and horrific that it spoke for itself.
Believe me, I know cheezy. I made a two-disc special edition of "No Holds Barred"!
kainemaxwell
07-22-2009, 11:23 AM
Well... Clearly the best Angry Video Game Nerd Episode. This Can Not Be topped.
Totally agreed.
guitargary75
07-22-2009, 11:24 AM
Awesome.
Jorpho
07-22-2009, 12:42 PM
Well... Clearly the best Angry Video Game Nerd Episode. This Can Not Be topped.Well, the awfulness of the game spoke for itself. Mr. Rolfe could not have done much to expand upon it.
Well... Clearly the best Angry Video Game Nerd Episode. This Can Not Be topped.
I agree 100%. 20+ minutes too!
chrisbid
07-22-2009, 01:44 PM
it's funny that the sentiment was that this was a great episode, it was pretty minimal. i enjoyed it as well, but the awfulness of the game is what really shined. though the crappy filter montage at the end was perfect icing on the cake
Bad Atom
07-22-2009, 04:09 PM
One of his best episodes, and one of the simplest. Some games just speak for themselves.
Therealqtip
07-22-2009, 05:13 PM
These are the episodes I like. I didn't like his Superman 64 cause EVERYONE knows it sucks alottttt, I really hope he doesn't do an ET one cause there's not much that can be said by a game that everyone knows. This game was so obscure that nobody knew it and it was just intresting to watch.
Chemdawg
07-22-2009, 05:31 PM
i gotta say plubers don't wear ties was one sweet episode!
Lostdwarf
07-22-2009, 05:40 PM
These are the episodes I like. I didn't like his Superman 64 cause EVERYONE knows it sucks alottttt, I really hope he doesn't do an ET one cause there's not much that can be said by a game that everyone knows. This game was so obscure that nobody knew it and it was just intresting to watch.
I think in one episode he mentions that literally word for word.
Sonicwolf
07-22-2009, 05:42 PM
Plumbers Dont Wear Ties is an uncreative abortion.
MarioMania
07-22-2009, 06:10 PM
Why is every game or system that AVGN reviews..goes up in demand
Sonicwolf
07-22-2009, 06:27 PM
Why is every game or system that AVGN reviews..goes up in demand
Because people want to own the games he reviews in order to enhance their sorry, sad lives by trying to feel like they are a part of something?
Therealqtip
07-22-2009, 07:15 PM
Why is every game or system that AVGN reviews..goes up in demand
They want to really try it out for themselves and if its up in demand the price is up! It's supply and demand, silly!
Therealqtip
07-22-2009, 07:17 PM
I think in one episode he mentions that literally word for word.
No way, like seriously? which one? I actually wanna hear this. I just came up with that on the spot
Famidrive-16
07-22-2009, 07:26 PM
For anyone who wants to give it a go, someone on Youtube put up the entire uh... "game"
(NWS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMAG5IDnek
I understand why he complained so much about the narrator now too, you get scolded out for almost everything you choose in this game.
Greg2600
07-22-2009, 07:57 PM
Wow, I cannot believe how bad that game was!
Take your damn clothes off!
Snapple
07-22-2009, 08:53 PM
I agree with the sentiment that it's better when AVGN rips on things that haven't been overripped.
I mean, not that Plumbers Don't Wear Ties gets any praise, because it doesn't, but it's not a well-known game to the average gamer. It's nice when he's playing it with a fresh POV, and I'm learning about the game in depth for the first time.
If he were just piling on the latest Sonic games like everyone else, it wouldn't be the same.
Sonicwolf
07-22-2009, 09:11 PM
I agree that he should continue finding obscure crap to review. Some things are just overdone like ET.
elvis8atari
07-23-2009, 01:13 AM
If he were just piling on the latest Sonic games like everyone else, it wouldn't be the same.
Yeah, what is peoples obsession with Sonic? I have no interest in those games whatsoever. A stupid blue rat running around
VG_Maniac
07-23-2009, 01:23 AM
Thank you.
I wouldn't expect someone from Jersey to understand though. Right! Haha! FACE!
Speaking of Jersey, isn't AVGN based out of there? As well as the Digital Press store. I saw a video with someone either working for the store or it was just some gathering where they were interviewing him. Place seems pretty cool. Places like that have disappeared around here in the past 5 years or so...((for good reason though)(like selling a burned copy of Intelligent Qube for PS1 as an "import" for $70))... [(!)]~
I'm pretty sure the AVGN lives in or near Philadelphia.
Pezcore343
07-23-2009, 02:01 AM
I'm pretty sure the AVGN lives in or near Philadelphia.
It's no longer there, and I don't know how valid it was when it was there, but his Wikipedia entry used to claim that he lives in Seaside, New Jersey. I don't know how believeable that is, considering most people refer to it as "Slease-side" and James's place doesn't look like a shore house. Anyway, the Jersey Shore area is very near Philly and that is usually considered "the city" to the people down there just like New York is "the city" to residents of northern New Jersey.
Ryaan1234
07-23-2009, 03:35 AM
Yeah, what is peoples obsession with Sonic? I have no interest in those games whatsoever. A stupid blue rat running around
Best. Quote. Ever.
I didn't realize how damn good Wing Commander III looks on the 3DO, in comparision to the other FMV games of the time. It's also got Mark Hamill (!). Makes me want a 3DO.
Sonicwolf
07-23-2009, 03:38 AM
Best. Quote. Ever.
I didn't realize how damn good Wing Commander III looks on the 3DO, in comparision to the other FMV games of the time. It's also got Mark Hamill (!). Makes me want a 3DO.
Night Trap looks visually good on the 3DO in comparison to many FMV games. Even if the game is... a little... cheesy
Ryaan1234
07-23-2009, 03:41 AM
Night Trap looks visually good on the 3DO in comparison to many FMV games. Even if the game is... a little... cheesy
I didn't realize how much graphically better the 3DO is. Maybe it's because I get the 3DO and the CDI mixed up all the time? (Anybody else to that?)
mobiusclimber
07-23-2009, 03:56 AM
This last episode really leaves me wanting to know more. What happened to the developer of this title. This is their only game credit. Was it just some friends getting together and having a laugh that someone (obviously drunk and/or high) decided would be marketable? Did anyone responsible in the creation of this game think it was any good, or was it someone's strange idea of a joke or a prank? I would really like to know the genesis of this game and what happened to the company and the people involved.
Sonicwolf
07-23-2009, 04:03 AM
I didn't realize how much graphically better the 3DO is. Maybe it's because I get the 3DO and the CDI mixed up all the time? (Anybody else to that?)
The 3DO really had potentional. Its a shame that the higher ups in that company were a bunch of mushheads and they overpriced the system.
Pezcore343
07-23-2009, 04:11 AM
This last episode really leaves me wanting to know more. What happened to the developer of this title. This is their only game credit. Was it just some friends getting together and having a laugh that someone (obviously drunk and/or high) decided would be marketable? Did anyone responsible in the creation of this game think it was any good, or was it someone's strange idea of a joke or a prank? I would really like to know the genesis of this game and what happened to the company and the people involved.
I'm in the same boat. It seems like there is almost no information on the web about it other than how much of a steaming turd it is. Currently Wikipedia lists Kirin Entertainment as the publishers and Fratelli Productions as the developer, although I believe Kirin also developed it and someone falsely entered Fratelli Productions as advertising (although I don't know why you would want people to think you made this piece of crap).
The only results I get, other than video game websites like GameSpot and IGN, when I search for Kirin Entertainment is for some small, apparently family owned DJ service. And you know what? Honestly, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if these were the same people who made this "game". Just got bored one day and grab a polaroid and said ok let's go take some random ass pictures.
I guess I'll email the folks at "Kirin Entertainment" just for kicks and see what they say.
mobiusclimber
07-23-2009, 04:33 AM
Glad to see I'm not alone in my search. Let me know if you uncover any info about this, I'm seriously dying to know here. I'm going to start asking around and see if I can't dig anything up about them.
Sonicwolf
07-23-2009, 04:39 AM
This last episode really leaves me wanting to know more. What happened to the developer of this title. This is their only game credit. Was it just some friends getting together and having a laugh that someone (obviously drunk and/or high) decided would be marketable? Did anyone responsible in the creation of this game think it was any good, or was it someone's strange idea of a joke or a prank? I would really like to know the genesis of this game and what happened to the company and the people involved.
To me, "Plumbers Dont Wear Ties" looks like an FMV project that went through a big, "Superman IV - The Quest for Peace" style screwover. Thats when the company that is in control of the project continuously cuts staff and budget to the point where sll you have at the end of a deadline is a trashy, broken mess of a product not even worthy of public viewing or use.
Glad to see I'm not alone in my search. Let me know if you uncover any info about this, I'm seriously dying to know here. I'm going to start asking around and see if I can't dig anything up about them.
I just wrote a blog entry for my site (http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Blog:Profiles_in_Courage:_Kirin_Entertainment). Kirin was around for at least another five years.
c0ldb33r
07-23-2009, 06:46 AM
I didn't realize how much graphically better the 3DO is. Maybe it's because I get the 3DO and the CDI mixed up all the time? (Anybody else to that?)
Check out Night Trap for the Sega 32X/CD. It looks just as good as the 3DO version. I used to have the CD/32X CD combo pack and was just floored at the difference.
mobiusclimber
07-23-2009, 07:30 AM
I just wrote a blog entry for my site (http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Blog:Profiles_in_Courage:_Kirin_Entertainment). Kirin was around for at least another five years.
That's pretty amazing. Apparently, The Perfect General is a semi-decent titles with horribly bad FMV sequences. At least it sounds like they actually made a GAME that time. I'm still really curious to know how Plumbers came about tho. It just really seems like the type of thing that anyone would be embarassed to show other people.
I love the link you posted to Theodore Serafica's website. Did he work on Plumbers or Perfect General, or both? I think this line from his resume is particularly telling: "Worked with programmers to come up with methods to optimize visual content using limited hardware/software resources." But maybe I'm just reading more into it than what's actually there.
guitargary75
07-23-2009, 10:07 AM
Check out Night Trap for the Sega 32X/CD. It looks just as good as the 3DO version. I used to have the CD/32X CD combo pack and was just floored at the difference.
I agree!! I don't think it fairs much better on the 3Do.
FamicomFreak
07-23-2009, 10:23 AM
That episode has been one of the best I've seen so far. The ending was pure classic! Me and my wife couldn't stop laughing.
Jorpho
07-23-2009, 10:54 AM
To me, "Plumbers Dont Wear Ties" looks like an FMV project that went through a big, "Superman IV - The Quest for Peace" style screwover. Thats when the company that is in control of the project continuously cuts staff and budget to the point where sll you have at the end of a deadline is a trashy, broken mess of a product not even worthy of public viewing or use.I imagine somewhere along the way, someone in management must have said "That sounds like such a great idea, I don't even need to see it! I just know it's going to sell! (Look at the size of that rack!)"
Or something.
Pezcore343
07-23-2009, 12:53 PM
That's pretty amazing. Apparently, The Perfect General is a semi-decent titles with horribly bad FMV sequences. At least it sounds like they actually made a GAME that time. I'm still really curious to know how Plumbers came about tho. It just really seems like the type of thing that anyone would be embarassed to show other people.
I love the link you posted to Theodore Serafica's website. Did he work on Plumbers or Perfect General, or both? I think this line from his resume is particularly telling: "Worked with programmers to come up with methods to optimize visual content using limited hardware/software resources." But maybe I'm just reading more into it than what's actually there.
I don't think they made The Perfect General, as that game was made in 1991 and apparently published by Quantum Quality Productions. Kirin may have ported it to the 3DO though.
newcoleco
07-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Well, my top3 favorite video game review by AVGN differ. In my humble opinion, I think your list of the top 3 best AVGN reviews is based on what you consider the worst video games ever made, not on a particularity you like of these reviews.
For example, I consider to the best reviews those I do like to watch over and over again, and for this reason my top 3 didn't certainly include the one about E.T.
I did watch many times the reviews about Superman 64, bible games (first one), ninja turtles and some others... but only once (or twice) the reviews about Mr. Hide, E.T., Double Vision, etc.
I do want to watch again the new review about the 3DO game, because I can't believe my eyes this video game does exist... and the way he presents it is entertaining.
So, my top 3 differ from your top 3, and that's fine... but I can't consider E.T. review as his top videogame reviews of all time.
Pezcore343
07-23-2009, 02:55 PM
AVGN hasn't reviewed E.T. yet. What video are you guys talking about?
Sonicwolf
07-23-2009, 02:55 PM
AVGN hasn't reviewed E.T. yet. What video are you guys talking about?
I think its just because he has mentioned something about it before...
Baloo
07-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Meh review, horrible game it looks like though. I wanted to see him get angrier.
Sonicwolf
07-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Meh review, horrible game it looks like though. I wanted to see him get angrier.
I think he has given up getting really angry in his videos.
Jorpho
07-23-2009, 04:48 PM
Someone should make a sequel with similar gameplay from the viewpoint of the developers trying to make the game, where the ultimate losing outcome sees the game produced as it was. They could call it "Ties Wear, Don't Plumbers?"
"Should the narrator be kindly and helpful? Or should he be a total jerk? You choose!"
Jisho23
07-23-2009, 11:22 PM
I actually thought his most recent review was one of his best, if anything because of how obscure the game was. You know he's almost always going to review a bad game, so why waste time reviewing a bad game everyone knows is bad?
If he did an E.T. review it would be pointless; you know exactly what he would say.
c0ldb33r
07-24-2009, 01:26 PM
If he did an E.T. review it would be pointless; you know exactly what he would say.
Sure, but it'd still be funny. The Spoony One did an ET review and I really enjoyed it. It's more about the entertainer than the game anyway.
Jisho23
07-24-2009, 01:48 PM
Sure, but it'd still be funny. The Spoony One did an ET review and I really enjoyed it. It's more about the entertainer than the game anyway.
True, Spoony's review was brilliant... but it was only that brilliant because he was doped up on painkillers.
If only I had a camera when I had my teeth pulled...
Someone should make a sequel with similar gameplay from the viewpoint of the developers trying to make the game, where the ultimate losing outcome sees the game produced as it was. They could call it "Ties Wear, Don't Plumbers?"
"Should the narrator be kindly and helpful? Or should he be a total jerk? You choose!"
With the same actors! Oh wait, you think Jane still is hot 12 years later?
Sonicwolf
07-24-2009, 02:45 PM
With the same actors! Oh wait, you think Jane still is hot 12 years later?
She is probably some 'whale' now with many, many children.
Famidrive-16
07-24-2009, 03:50 PM
Woman who played Jane:
http://www.jeannebasone.com/
Woman who played Jane:
http://www.jeannebasone.com/
DOB May 19th 1969? She looks 10 years younger, and still hot as hell.
Sonicwolf
07-24-2009, 03:54 PM
I swear that PDWT for the 3DO had some of the worst music I have ever heard. Its torturous. Sounds like some really cheesy early-90s infomercial for the spray-on toupe. LOL
Well, the music and the creepy title screen from the dark ages of cheap video editing. It did give us a great dramatic line though...
"TAKE YOUR DAMN CLOTHES OFF!"
Garry Silljo
07-24-2009, 06:19 PM
Woman who played Jane:
http://www.jeannebasone.com/
I noticed she left the game off her resume.
Sonicwolf
07-24-2009, 06:21 PM
I noticed she left the game off her resume.
Who blames her. Its pretty much a semi-multimedia train wreck.
Who blames her. Its pretty much a semi-multimedia train wreck.
Maybe I'm insane, but I'd be proud to star in a cheesy game, and would brag about it everywhere I went. :)
Rob2600
07-24-2009, 11:06 PM
DOB May 19th 1969? She looks 10 years younger, and still hot as hell.
I'm sure Jeanne Basone is an attractive woman in real life, but the modeling photos on her web site have been heavily retouched.
Also, I noticed she was one of the original G.L.O.W. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgeous_Ladies_of_Wrestling) wrestlers. Her name was Hollywood.
By the way, what does the title Plumbers Don't Wear Ties have to do with the "game?"
megasdkirby
07-24-2009, 11:10 PM
DOB May 19th 1969? She looks 10 years younger, and still hot as hell.
Gotta admit, she is pretty. :)
Pezcore343
07-24-2009, 11:12 PM
By the way, what does the title Plumbers Don't Wear Ties have to do with the "game?"
I don't think James showed it in his review, but at one point John tells Jane he is a plumber and she replies, "But John, Plumbers Don't Wear Ties" (cheer sitcom canned laughter).
God who ever thought this thing was a good idea?
I'm sure Jeanne Basone is an attractive woman in real life, but the modeling photos on her web site have been heavily retouched.
Also, I noticed she was one of the original G.L.O.W. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgeous_Ladies_of_Wrestling) wrestlers. Her name was Hollywood.
By the way, what does the title Plumbers Don't Wear Ties have to do with the "game?"
I agree. I'm sure she isn't as hot as the pictures, but still attractive and young-looking. She didn't look 27 in 1997 either. :)
As a former plumber, I can tell you the term loosely means we get our hands dirty, and aren't pansy pretty boys. Hence, not afraid of anyone's crap (literally, lol), and great with the ladies. :drinking:
elvis8atari
07-25-2009, 12:59 AM
Well, my top3 favorite video game review by AVGN differ. In my humble opinion, I think your list of the top 3 best AVGN reviews is based on what you consider the worst video games ever made, not on a particularity you like of these reviews.
For example, I consider to the best reviews those I do like to watch over and over again, and for this reason my top 3 didn't certainly include the one about E.T.
I did watch many times the reviews about Superman 64, bible games (first one), ninja turtles and some others... but only once (or twice) the reviews about Mr. Hide, E.T., Double Vision, etc.
I do want to watch again the new review about the 3DO game, because I can't believe my eyes this video game does exist... and the way he presents it is entertaining.
So, my top 3 differ from your top 3, and that's fine... but I can't consider E.T. review as his top videogame reviews of all time.
I guess you've pretty much proven to everyone you don't know what you're talking about. Considering he's never reviewed E.T.
No offense.
Pezcore343
07-25-2009, 01:00 AM
I emailed Jeanne Basone to see if she remembered working on the game, and if she had ever seen the finished product or if she ever heard anything about it after her work was done.
Her response:
"did not hear anything after it was done, it was many years ago, where can I find info on it
thanks
Jeanne"
Oh boy, can I not wait to hear what she thinks of this shit storm that she was a part of. So that's at least one person involved (and one of the stars no less) who not only had no idea how horrible this piece of crap was, but has no idea of the legacy it left behind it. I'll keep you guys updated on any further correspondence.
Tupin
07-25-2009, 01:10 AM
Send her the AVGN video.
Oh, and it would be even better if we could get the main actors, the one that played the boss of the one that played the plumber.
I can only think of one reason why someone would be in a production like this. It couldn't have been for the money. It had to have been that it took like a day to shoot all of the shots and record the movie and they were slightly interested.
Pezcore343
07-25-2009, 01:16 AM
HAHA wow. So before I even got a chance to reply to Jeanne she emailed me again and this is exactly what she said:
"Ps. its pretty lame if you ask me... never thought it would see the light of day from over 15 years ago
LOL!" (stupid smilies, she said L. O. L.)
I'm so glad to hear that at least one person involved was aware of how awful this thing was. I emailed her back giving her the gist of what the general consensus is of the game and linked her to the ScrewAttack video of the game with commentary so she can at last see what her decade and a half old work ended up being. I'm really excited to hear if she has any memory of what the people involved thought of it at the time, and also what the developers told them about the game at the time. I can just imagine that audition.
"You're going to be auditioning for the part of a slutty girl who meets a plumber in a parking lot and then is chased by her pervy future boss, all the while trying to find true love."
Pezcore343
07-25-2009, 01:26 AM
Wow this woman is quick to respond. I'm surprised she responded at all. Well here's what she said about the game.
"Ha! the worst game ever, I love it! I think thats hilarious,, well wish my name was not on it .
I did see some terrible comments about it on youtube.... I do remember helping out a friend for his project, Michael Anderson, see what happens when you help out friends and their productions? Yikes?
there was no internet back then , had no idea it would come back to haunt me, oh well
I will check out that link
thanks"
Good to see she has a sense of humor about all of this.
Sonicwolf
07-25-2009, 02:21 AM
I wish AVGN would do a crappy modern PC game video. The principle game could be Big Rigs, even if it was been mocked to death already.